Once saved always saved?

[crossnote]

The bait and switch Gospel fisherman.

F (fisherman)..did you know that Jesus died for your sins and will freely forgive you if you call upon Him, and you will receive eternal life?

L (lost) ..but dont I have to do good to be saved?

F ..no, Jesus paid the price.

(later in time)

L ..I cried out to Jesus just like you said, and it's like all things are brand new, I'm understanding His Word, I love Jesus!!!

F.. well wait now, you still need to make sure you stay strong, here are 10 steps to help you, because if you don't stay walking with Jesus you will be in danger of hell fire!!

L.. (despondent) hmm, I thought that's where I started from

 

[BarlyGurl]

You have everything completely backward. What good things do you have that weren't given by God?

Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

I tell ya what GRANDPA.... YOU sit on your hump and continue to proclaim you have not a speck of volition and you are a mere animatron. I sincerely HOPE that WORKS out for you.
I however read my bible and it plainly says, renew my mind, do not quash the spirit, stir up the spirit, do not grieve the spirit, in all things be thankful, recall what is praiseworthy, admonish and exhort one another.

I happen to recognize that God made mankind in his image (people) and that INCLUDES a will/volition... or what is known as the ability to make CHOICES.

I am not a puppet of God and some of you are certainly coming from that far spectrum from my view... so you are NOT doing any good. I am no longer willing to spend time quarreling with this matter... there are PEOPLE who need Jesus... my time is better spend ministering to them vs quarreling with you ABOUT him.

 

[mwc68]

Um, no God has EVERYTHING handled... unfortunately there are people who are not going to like the result they get when the final "handling" comes around. I care about that, I care about the SOULS of others... I care that there are deceived people... I care that God said he desires none should perish.... I happen to think it is the twice born responsibility to love our neighbors and help them get "undeceived" and while prayer is important... so is speaking rightly.

What is twice born?

 

[crossnote]

What is twice born?

1.Born through mommy and daddy.
2. Born from above.

Are you born again?

 

[skylove7]

Well I don't know
But I know I love crossnote
All I know lol

 

[skylove7]

Ohhh go away skylove7
Derailing threads with your sisterly love and such

Lol

 

[Grandpa]

You have everything completely backward. What good things do you have that weren't given by God?

Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

I tell ya what GRANDPA.... YOU sit on your hump and continue to proclaim you have not a speck of volition and you are a mere animatron. I sincerely HOPE that WORKS out for you.
I however read my bible and it plainly says, renew my mind, do not quash the spirit, stir up the spirit, do not grieve the spirit, in all things be thankful, recall what is praiseworthy, admonish and exhort one another.

I happen to recognize that God made mankind in his image (people) and that INCLUDES a will/volition... or what is known as the ability to make CHOICES.

I am not a puppet of God and some of you are certainly coming from that far spectrum from my view... so you are NOT doing any good. I am no longer willing to spend time quarreling with this matter... there are PEOPLE who need Jesus... my time is better spend ministering to them vs quarreling with you ABOUT him.

You're not quarreling with me. You're quarreling with scripture.

There are people that need Jesus... What do you think I've been saying all along?

You point people to their works and things they must do. That's what a hypocrite does.

Its better to point people to Christ and Let Him work in them mightily.

 

[iwant2serve]

Can these scriptures be explained?

John 15Amplified Bible (AMP)
15 I am the True Vine, and My Father is the Vinedresser. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Any branch in Me that does not bear fruit [that stops bearing] He cuts away (trims off, takes away); and He cleanses and repeatedly prunes every branch that continues to bear fruit, to make it bear more and richer and more excellent fruit. [SUP]3 [/SUP]You are cleansed and pruned already, because of the word which I have given you [the teachings I have discussed with you]. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Dwell in Me, and I will dwell in you. [Live in Me, and I will live in you.] Just as no branch can bear fruit of itself without abiding in (being vitally united to) the vine, neither can you bear fruit unless you abide in Me. [SUP]5 [/SUP]I am the Vine; you are the branches. Whoever lives in Me and I in him bears much (abundant) fruit. However, apart from Me [cut off from vital union with Me] you can do nothing. [SUP]6 [/SUP]If a person does not dwell in Me, he is thrown out like a [broken-off] branch, and withers; such branches are gathered up and thrown into the fire, and they are burned.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]If you live in Me [abide vitally united to Me] and My words remain in you and continue to live in your hearts, ask whatever you will, and it shall be done for you.

Matthew 24 Amplified
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the love of [SUP][f][/SUP]the great body of people will grow cold because of the multiplied lawlessness and iniquity, [SUP]13 [/SUP]But he who endures to the end will be saved.

Matt 10:22 Amplified
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake, but he who perseveres and endures to the end will be saved [[SUP][g][/SUP]from spiritual disease and death in the world to come].

Galatians 6:8-9 Amplified
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For he who sows to his own flesh (lower nature, sensuality) will from the flesh reap decay and ruin and destruction, but he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And let us not lose heart and grow weary and faint in acting nobly and doing right, for in due time and at the appointed season we shall reap, if we do not loosen and relax our courage and faint.

2 tim 2:12 Amp
[SUP]12 [/SUP]If we endure, we shall also reign with Him. If we deny and disown and reject Him, He will also deny and disown and reject us.
2 Peter 2:20-21 (AMP)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through [the full, personal] knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they again become entangled in them and are overcome, their last condition is worse [for them] than the first.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For never to have obtained a [full, personal] knowledge of the way of righteousness would have been better for them than, having obtained [such knowledge], to turn back from the holy commandment which was [verbally] delivered to them

 

[mwc68]

1.Born through mommy and daddy.
2. Born from above.

Are you born again?

Yes, I just haven't heard it put that way

 

[crossnote]

Yes, I just haven't heard it put that way

How about the question, "Are you born again?" . My wife is ex Roman Catholic (old school) and says she never heard of it growing up.

 

[jonl]

I tell ya what GRANDPA.... YOU sit on your hump and continue to proclaim you have not a speck of volition and you are a mere animatron. I sincerely HOPE that WORKS out for you.
I however read my bible and it plainly says, renew my mind, do not quash the spirit, stir up the spirit, do not grieve the spirit, in all things be thankful, recall what is praiseworthy, admonish and exhort one another.

I happen to recognize that God made mankind in his image (people) and that INCLUDES a will/volition... or what is known as the ability to make CHOICES.

I am not a puppet of God and some of you are certainly coming from that far spectrum from my view... so you are NOT doing any good. I am no longer willing to spend time quarreling with this matter... there are PEOPLE who need Jesus... my time is better spend ministering to them vs quarreling with you ABOUT him.

Passive faith might be another of the main reasons for a deterioration of morals in the past generation. Jesus’ words in Matthew 5 to 7 were active. (Matthew 7:12)

Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

The eastern mysticism idea of being passive and fatalistic (what will be will be), is not the active faith that Jesus taught. The source of eastern mystical passiveness sometimes gives shaman-type miracles, but they’re bound by the wrong source. Are some passive christians really depending on Jesus? or on the wrong source?

This reminds me of the song "Work for the Night Is Coming."

 

[mwc68]

How about the question, "Are you born again?" . My wife is ex Roman Catholic (old school) and says she never heard of it growing up.

Yes, i am born again

 

[crossnote]

Passive faith might be another of the main reasons for a deterioration of morals in the past generation. Jesus’ words in Matthew 5 to 7 were active. (Matthew 7:12)

Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

The eastern mysticism idea of being passive and fatalistic (what will be will be), is not the active faith that Jesus taught. The source of eastern mystical passiveness sometimes gives shaman-type miracles, but they’re bound by the wrong source. Are some passive christians really depending on Jesus? or on the wrong source?

This reminds me of the song "Work for the Night Is Coming."

God's grace does not produce passive faith as you describe...

But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me was not in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them, though it was not I, but the grace of God that is with me.
(1Co 15:10)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes, i am born again

so you "have" eternal life? (passed from death to life, or born again) I thought Catholics did not believe one could Have eternal life. your one of the first I ever heard admit this.

 

[Elin]

so you "have" eternal life? (passed from death to life, or born again) I thought Catholics did not believe one could Have eternal life. your one of the first I ever heard admit this.

Catholics believe they have eternal life, they also believe they can lose it by sin, and receive it again by penance, and lose it again. . .

 

[Elin]

How about the question, "Are you born again?" . My wife is ex Roman Catholic (old school) and says she never heard of it growing up.

Because one receives eternal life at infant baptism.

 

[Elin]

Can these scriptures be explained?

John 15Amplified Bible (AMP)
15 I am the True Vine, and My Father is the Vinedresser. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Any branch in Me that does not bear fruit [that stops bearing] He cuts away (trims off, takes away); and He cleanses and repeatedly prunes every branch that continues to bear fruit, to make it bear more and richer and more excellent fruit. [SUP]3 [/SUP]You are cleansed and pruned already, because of the word which I have given you [the teachings I have discussed with you]. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Dwell in Me, and I will dwell in you. [Live in Me, and I will live in you.] Just as no branch can bear fruit of itself without abiding in (being vitally united to) the vine, neither can you bear fruit unless you abide in Me. [SUP]5 [/SUP]I am the Vine; you are the branches. Whoever lives in Me and I in him bears much (abundant) fruit. However, apart from Me [cut off from vital union with Me] you can do nothing. [SUP]6 [/SUP]If a person does not dwell in Me, he is thrown out like a [broken-off] branch, and withers; such branches are gathered up and thrown into the fire, and they are burned.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]If you live in Me [abide vitally united to Me] and My words remain in you and continue to live in your hearts, ask whatever you will, and it shall be done for you.

Matthew 24 Amplified
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the love of [SUP][f][/SUP]the great body of people will grow cold because of the multiplied lawlessness and iniquity, [SUP]13 [/SUP]But he who endures to the end will be saved.

Matt 10:22 Amplified
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake, but he who perseveres and endures to the end will be saved [[SUP][g][/SUP]from spiritual disease and death in the world to come].

Galatians 6:8-9 Amplified
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For he who sows to his own flesh (lower nature, sensuality) will from the flesh reap decay and ruin and destruction, but he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And let us not lose heart and grow weary and faint in acting nobly and doing right, for in due time and at the appointed season we shall reap, if we do not loosen and relax our courage and faint.

2 tim 2:12 Amp
[SUP]12 [/SUP]If we endure, we shall also reign with Him. If we deny and disown and reject Him, He will also deny and disown and reject us.
2 Peter 2:20-21 (AMP)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through [the full, personal] knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they again become entangled in them and are overcome, their last condition is worse [for them] than the first.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]For never to have obtained a [full, personal] knowledge of the way of righteousness would have been better for them than, having obtained [such knowledge], to turn back from the holy commandment which was [verbally] delivered to them

Yes, check your faith. . .if you are not in obedience, your faith could be counterfeit.

True faith perseveres in faith and obedience which is salvation.
Counterfeit faith does not persevere in faith and obedience and is not salvation.