Attack on the Confederate Flag?

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AgeofKnowledge

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Democrats were the "movers and shakers" in human slavery in the U.S. fighting to maintain and expand it. Southern Democrats led the charge to secede from the Union and form the Confederate States of America (though it was also fought for reasons VW previously provided evidence for).

It was a Democrat who assassinated Republican President Abraham Lincoln who freed the slaves. It was Democrats who started and populated the KKK and it was Democrats who implemented "black codes" during reconstruction and a two-tier society.

As much as Democrats try to re-write history they cannot remove the truth. And the Democrat tradition continues today as the Democrat party keeps blacks down trodden, dependant on a debt-ridden government, and "on the plantation" working for them, their Democrat masters. Democrats still own slaves, but now they just call them Democrat voters.


No one who speaks out for the removal/banning/destruction of the Confederate battle flag will answer it, because it exposes them for the shallow, superfluous frauds they and their campaign against the Stars and Bars represents.
 

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Democrats were the "movers and shakers" in human slavery in the U.S. fighting to maintain and expand it. Southern Democrats led the charge to secede from the Union and form the Confederate States of America (though it was also fought for reasons VW previously provided evidence for).

It was a Democrat who assassinated Republican President Abraham Lincoln who freed the slaves. It was Democrats who started and populated the KKK and it was Democrats who implemented "black codes" during reconstruction and a two-tier society.

As much as Democrats try to re-write history they cannot remove the truth. And the Democrat tradition continues today as the Democrat party keeps blacks down trodden, dependant on a debt-ridden government, and "on the plantation" working for them, their Democrat masters. Democrats still own slaves, but now they just call them Democrat voters.
If there is a symbol of racism worth demanding the removal of, it is the Donkey.
 

Nautilus

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Democrats were the "movers and shakers" in human slavery in the U.S. fighting to maintain and expand it. Southern Democrats led the charge to secede from the Union and form the Confederate States of America (though it was also fought for reasons VW previously provided evidence for).

It was a Democrat who assassinated Republican President Abraham Lincoln who freed the slaves. It was Democrats who started and populated the KKK and it was Democrats who implemented "black codes" during reconstruction and a two-tier society.

As much as Democrats try to re-write history they cannot remove the truth. And the Democrat tradition continues today as the Democrat party keeps blacks down trodden, dependant on a debt-ridden government, and "on the plantation" working for them, their Democrat masters. Democrats still own slaves, but now they just call them Democrat voters.
Yep exactly. Its real convenient if you ignore the whole party platform switch that happened roguhly between 1860-1936. Then twisting history to your benefit is amazingly easy.
 

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Yep exactly. Its real convenient if you ignore the whole party platform switch that happened roguhly between 1860-1936. Then twisting history to your benefit is amazingly easy.
I wouldn't call 73 recent years 'roughly'.
 

Nautilus

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yep guess we are back to the good old AgeofKnowledge I don't believe it so it isnt true moment. Even though anyone who actually studied politics will tell you that the democrats and republicans almost 180'd their platforms during the western expansion through the great depression.
 

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And besides even if the democrats are keeping the blacks downtrodden and under control with welfare money its not like the republicans are going to be any more beneficial. THey'll just die off faster when they receive no money instead.
 

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And besides even if the democrats are keeping the blacks downtrodden and under control with welfare money its not like the republicans are going to be any more beneficial. THey'll just die off faster when they receive no money instead.
Is that how you view blacks? Helpless without welfare?
 

Nautilus

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Well if AoK's point is that democrats keep them in life with welfare, then what happens if Republicans take over and like they have said remove said welfare? You now have a population that has been conditioned there whole lives to live off of handouts. What happens when those handouts go away? You think the people are just suddenly going to become productive members of society? I mean seriously, the ones who did nothing but lounge around on welfare are going to end up homeless or getting what they need illegally. Black or white, but he specifically brought up the black portion.
 

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Well if AoK's point is that democrats keep them in life with welfare, then what happens if Republicans take over and like they have said remove said welfare? You now have a population that has been conditioned there whole lives to live off of handouts. What happens when those handouts go away? You think the people are just suddenly going to become productive members of society? I mean seriously, the ones who did nothing but lounge around on welfare are going to end up homeless or getting what they need illegally. Black or white, but he specifically brought up the black portion.
When the handouts go away? Maybe as the old adage goes, you start teaching them to fish rather than always handing out fish.
 

Nautilus

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Hey i get it..build a man a fire, keep him warm for the night. set a man on fire, keep him warm the rest of his life.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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The post modern liberal progressive revisionists do not actually alter the truth, they only misrepresent it. Obviously, you've never been exposed to anything else, or more likely chosen not to retain it, but that's not an intellectual deficiency I share as I've read the classic historical treatise and modern conservative historical texts that revised nothing whatsoever.

As even non-scholarly liberal leaning broadcasters like PBS state:

"The Democratic Party identified itself as the 'white man's party' and demonized the Republican Party as being 'Negro dominated,' even though whites were in control. Determined to re-capture the South, Southern Democrats 'redeemed' state after state -- sometimes peacefully, other times by fraud and violence. By 1877, when Reconstruction was officially over, the Democratic Party controlled every Southern state.

The South remained a one-party region until the Civil Rights movement began in the 1960s. Northern Democrats, most of whom had prejudicial attitudes towards blacks, offered no challenge to the discriminatory policies of the Southern Democrats.

One of the consequences of the Democratic victories in the South was that many Southern Congressmen and Senators were almost automatically re-elected every election. Due to the importance of seniority in the U.S. Congress, Southerners were able to control most of the committees in both houses of Congress and kill any civil rights legislation. Even though Franklin Delano Roosevelt was a Democrat, and a relatively liberal president during the 1930s and '40s, he rarely challenged the powerfully entrenched Southern bloc. When the House passed a federal anti-lynching bill several times in the 1930s, Southern senators filibustered it to death."

African Americans, who traditionally supported the Republican Party, didn't even begin supporting Democrats in any number until the administration of President Harry Truman in 1947–48 proposed civil rights legislation after which the Democratic Party's main base of support shifted marking a dramatic reversal of history.

But tell me some more fairytales about the Democrat party in 1860 Nautilus as I do enjoy fiction from time to time.

As for non-fiction, if you want to dissect the GOP and examine it's rotten innards and their colossal guilt with respect to the our ailing domestic labor market, implementation of trade policies decidedly UNfavorable to U.S. workers, rise of the super debt, abandonment of national innovation/invention/idea creation to foreign powers, etc... etc... etc... I'll be happy to help you do it as I'm not a member of that corrupt political party either.

We have two corrupt bad political parties presently nautilus. I'm not in love with either one of them even though you are.

To answer your questions, because the people on welfare would be unable to find work in this depressed economy that the present liberal government and liberal media live in denial of as they seek to dump every poor immigrant in the world into the worst domestic U.S. labor market since the Great Depression: social upheaval would occur.

The Census Bureau's 2013 figure for the number of Americans receiving benefits from means-tested federal programs (not including those state and local welfare programs nor private charities that are unfunded by the federal government) was over 109 million while the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ figure for full-time workers was about 105 million. When you have more people taking from the federal government than pay into it and it's all being funded by massive government borrowing, then you're building a debt bomb which eventually explodes.

And destroying productivity by taking most or all of the profits of production and redistributing it never worked in all of human history with the 20th century being a case study in it not working when a totalitarian government attempted to force people to increase productivity in exactly the paradigm through the use of raw severe force undergirded by a vicious gulag system.

Setting the reasons for the dismal U.S. labor market aside for a moment; the dismal U.S. labor market (aggravated by an endless flood of labor supply through present immigration, visa, and trade policies) is the number one driver for U.S. poverty, U.S. income disparity, U.S. citizen debt, the U.S. national debt and rising interest expenses, etc...

Watch: https://youtu.be/7J_2Hh453-o

Tick tock goes the clock. Nation in decline headed for upheaval. Western Civilization in decline headed for upheaval and replacement.


Can the U.S. and, in fact all Western Civilization, be reformed to spectacular success again? Yes. But, only the wrong reforms are on the table now. Both the present progressive liberal model of pure socialization and the neo-conservative model only hasten our end which is actually slowed by these two political parties gridlocking each other from escalating the decline... lol. Sad but true.


Well if AoK's point is that democrats keep them in life with welfare, then what happens if Republicans take over and like they have said remove said welfare? You now have a population that has been conditioned there whole lives to live off of handouts. What happens when those handouts go away? You think the people are just suddenly going to become productive members of society? I mean seriously, the ones who did nothing but lounge around on welfare are going to end up homeless or getting what they need illegally. Black or white, but he specifically brought up the black portion.
 
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On my Facebook timeline I saw a hoodie that said ...if you don't like this flag you can leave the country...
So here is my reply.....

Leave the country? How about no
Maybe you should be the first to go
You seem to be devoid of wisdom
This flag has nothing to do with patriotism
This is my country and I love it too
I wish I could protect it from idiots like you.
You still claim it's not about race
Could you please get this nonsense out of my face?
It's about heritage or so you say
But that heritage is Jim Crow and KKK
So I won't be leaving anytime soon
But thanks for making southerners look like ignorant buffoons
So you can wave your flag but guess what
To me this flag means precisely squat
Land of the free home of the brave
The stars and stripes is all I wave
 

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...spended-for-wearing-confederate-flag-apparel/

A peaceful student demonstration at a Virginia high school ended with school administrators suspending 23 teens for wearing clothing emblazoned with the Confederate battle flag, which violates the school’s dress code, according to school officials, students and parents....


“We’re not trying to go into school and raise Cain or anything,” Comer said. “We’re doing it to raise a point that the flag is not racist. Everyone else can wear whatever shirts they want but we’re not. We just said ‘It’s time to put a stop to it.'”....
 
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...spended-for-wearing-confederate-flag-apparel/

A peaceful student demonstration at a Virginia high school ended with school administrators suspending 23 teens for wearing clothing emblazoned with the Confederate battle flag, which violates the school’s dress code, according to school officials, students and parents....


“We’re not trying to go into school and raise Cain or anything,” Comer said. “We’re doing it to raise a point that the flag is not racist. Everyone else can wear whatever shirts they want but we’re not. We just said ‘It’s time to put a stop to it.'”....
I cant help it, but knowing that a Virginia high school, an Ol' Dominion high school, home state of Robert E. Lee, is doing this, feels strange...
 
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tanach

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What is a confederate flag? What does it represent? Excuse my ignorance..
As a fellow Brit as I understand it the Confederate Flag was the flag of the states that rebelled against the U S government
causing the Civil War that took place in the 1860s. The stars represent those states. Our American friends will obviously be able to give you a more informative answer. All I know is that the civil war is still the cause of some very deep feelings in the country.
 
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I have two Great Grandfather's who fought for Louisiana (La Parisan Rangers) in the Civil War as Calvary.

The battle flag, as I see it, was about Northern Aggression and invasion into sovereign states who withdrew from the Union. I believe that States have that right to secede.
 
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As a fellow Brit as I understand it the Confederate Flag was the flag of the states that rebelled against the U S government
causing the Civil War that took place in the 1860s. The stars represent those states. Our American friends will obviously be able to give you a more informative answer. All I know is that the civil war is still the cause of some very deep feelings in the country.
Not bad, tanach.

Rather, it was that the Northies (just knoined word) wouldn't leave Fort Sumpter that was on the sovereign soil of Virginia after that State seceded. So, they shot there little cannon at them and then it was on.
 
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I have two Great Grandfather's who fought for Louisiana (La Parisan Rangers) in the Civil War as Calvary.

The battle flag, as I see it, was about Northern Aggression and invasion into sovereign states who withdrew from the Union. I believe that States have that right to secede.
I completely agree. Two of my great-great-grandfathers fought in the Civil War/War Between the States -- on opposite sides. One was ambushed by townies on his own farm while putting up hay after returning from the Battle of Pea Ridge, where he served his Confederate Unit as a captain in the cavalry.

On Memorial Day, I drive 120 miles north to put a Confederate battle flag, and his regimental flag over his grave. When I pass on, my son will continue to do so. That war was absolutely a war of aggression aimed at killing States' Rights. It worked.

Since it's end, there have been fewer and fewer instances in which the federal government hasn't won a fight to usurp them, making all the states beholden to the great white (now black) father in D.C. It's disgusting.