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IN MATTHEW 24:14
JESUS
WAS SPECIFIC END OF GRACE WOULD COME
AFTER GOSPEL HAD REACHED EVERY EAR AND EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO BE SAVED
THIS IS
THE CATCHING AWAY OR RAPTURE
MATHEW 24:30-31
IS NOW
JESUS COMING IN POWER
AND GATHERING
ALL
HIS ELECT
THOSE FROM RAPTURE THE BRIDE
THE 144,000
THE BEHEADED FROM TRIBULATION
FOR BATTLE
AT ARMAGEDDON
NOTICE
JESUS SENT HIS ANGELS TO GATHER
BECAUSE
IF WE WERE ALL IN ONE PLACE THIS WOULD NOT BE NEEDED
THE BRIDE IS THE ADORNMENT OF GOD
THE 144,000 ARE THE ELECT OF TRIBULATION
THE MARTYRED ARE THE BEHEADED SAINTS OF TRIBULATION
WE ARE EVERYWHERE SO WE NEED TO BE GATHERED
WE ARE IN HEAVEN AND EARTH
THIS
IS WHY
JESUS
SPECIFIED
THE ELECT
IF IT WAS JUST THE BRIDE
HE WOULD HAVE STATED THAT
I'm curious about the facts that you speak of...I may have missed them but honestly, I'm a mother and I have no time to read all the posts here...pardon me for that...lol
I'm interested in the biblical Chronological list of events that suggest your theory? I say theory because NONE of us REALLY knows....and I also believe in biblical fact, not opinion
I'm interested in the biblical Chronological list of events that suggest your theory? I say theory because NONE of us REALLY knows....and I also believe in biblical fact, not opinion
WELL THEN IT WOULD BE OBVIOUS
BUT
ARE WE ALL
NOT WRONG ABOUT MANY THINGS.......?
WE ONLY BELIEVE
WHAT WE FEEL GOD HAS REVEALED UNTO US
JUST BECAUSE
MY GRANDFATHER OR FATHER
OR ANY GREAT MAN OF GOD SAYS IT IS THIS WAY SO BELIEVE IT
DOES NOT MAKE IT RIGHT
SO
I SEEK GOD
UNTIL I BELIEVE
HE HAS GIVEN UNTO ME WHAT HE WANTS TO GIVE
SO
I WALK BY THAT IN FAITH
AND
PREACH AND TEACH IT
I'm curious about the facts that you speak of...I may have missed them but honestly, I'm a mother and I have no time to read all the posts here...pardon me for that...lol
I'm interested in the biblical Chronological list of events that suggest your theory? I say theory because NONE of us REALLY knows....and I also believe in biblical fact, not opinion
I'm interested in the biblical Chronological list of events that suggest your theory? I say theory because NONE of us REALLY knows....and I also believe in biblical fact, not opinion
THESE ARE THE FACTS I LISTED
Originally Posted by joint-heir
PRE-TRIB
IS BASED UPON
NOT JUST MANY SCRIPTURES
BUT A VERY SPECIFIC SCRIPTURE
AND THAT IS
MATTHEW 24:14
WHEN THE GOSPEL HAS REACHED EVERYONE
AND ALL HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO BELIEVE
THEN
THE END WILL COME
BECAUSE
MATTHEW 24:15
LEADS US INTO WHAT DANIEL WAS SPEAKING ABOUT
THE BEGINNINGS OF TRIBULATION
TRIBULATION
TO THOSE WHO WILL BE SAVED
ARE LIKE PEOPLE LIKE I WAS
MY GRANDFATHER PREACHED
AND MY FATHER
BUT
I RAN FROM GOD
HAD
RAPTURE TAKEN PLACE
YOU CAN BET YOUR LAST DOLLAR
I WOULD HAVE BEEN PREACHING A STORM THEN
THE GOSPEL
PERTAINS TO THOSE
IN A FREE SYSTEM THAT WE CAN CHOOSE FREELY AS WE CAN NOW
DURING TRIBULATION
YOU HAVE 2 CHOICES
ACCEPT 666 MARK
OR
BEHEADED
WHICH
EVEN AS YOU CAN SEE
IS NOT A FREE WILL CHOICE
FOR
ONLY THOSE WHO GET BEHEADED
WILL DO SO
BECAUSE
THEY HAD FRIENDS OR FAMILY
THAT PREACHED TO THEM
IF YOU MISS RAPTURE
DO NOT TAKE MARK OF BEAST 666
GET
BEHEADED
Thank you for your polite response My response is indicated by the red, bold italics...
I'm not fighting you, I just need more fact than opinion
My response is indicated by the red, bold italics...
THESE ARE THE FACTS I LISTED
Originally Posted by joint-heir
PRE-TRIB
IS BASED UPON
NOT JUST MANY SCRIPTURES
BUT A VERY SPECIFIC SCRIPTURE
AND THAT IS
MATTHEW 24:14
WHEN THE GOSPEL HAS REACHED EVERYONE
AND ALL HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO BELIEVE
THEN
THE END WILL COME
This isn't dated.....
BECAUSE
MATTHEW 24:15
LEADS US INTO WHAT DANIEL WAS SPEAKING ABOUT
THE BEGINNINGS OF TRIBULATION
TRIBULATION
TO THOSE WHO WILL BE SAVED
ARE LIKE PEOPLE LIKE I WAS
MY GRANDFATHER PREACHED
AND MY FATHER
BUT
I RAN FROM GOD
HAD
RAPTURE TAKEN PLACE
YOU CAN BET YOUR LAST DOLLAR
I WOULD HAVE BEEN PREACHING A STORM THEN
I'm not sure what passage from the bible this is...
THE GOSPEL
PERTAINS TO THOSE
IN A FREE SYSTEM THAT WE CAN CHOOSE FREELY AS WE CAN NOW
DURING TRIBULATION
YOU HAVE 2 CHOICES
ACCEPT 666 MARK
OR
BEHEADED
WHICH
EVEN AS YOU CAN SEE
IS NOT A FREE WILL CHOICE
FOR
ONLY THOSE WHO GET BEHEADED
WILL DO SO
BECAUSE
THEY HAD FRIENDS OR FAMILY
THAT PREACHED TO THEM
IF YOU MISS RAPTURE
DO NOT TAKE MARK OF BEAST 666
GET
BEHEADED
Again, missing the passage doesn't help prove the point...
Originally Posted by joint-heir
PRE-TRIB
IS BASED UPON
NOT JUST MANY SCRIPTURES
BUT A VERY SPECIFIC SCRIPTURE
AND THAT IS
MATTHEW 24:14
WHEN THE GOSPEL HAS REACHED EVERYONE
AND ALL HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO BELIEVE
THEN
THE END WILL COME
This isn't dated.....
BECAUSE
MATTHEW 24:15
LEADS US INTO WHAT DANIEL WAS SPEAKING ABOUT
THE BEGINNINGS OF TRIBULATION
TRIBULATION
TO THOSE WHO WILL BE SAVED
ARE LIKE PEOPLE LIKE I WAS
MY GRANDFATHER PREACHED
AND MY FATHER
BUT
I RAN FROM GOD
HAD
RAPTURE TAKEN PLACE
YOU CAN BET YOUR LAST DOLLAR
I WOULD HAVE BEEN PREACHING A STORM THEN
I'm not sure what passage from the bible this is...
THE GOSPEL
PERTAINS TO THOSE
IN A FREE SYSTEM THAT WE CAN CHOOSE FREELY AS WE CAN NOW
DURING TRIBULATION
YOU HAVE 2 CHOICES
ACCEPT 666 MARK
OR
BEHEADED
WHICH
EVEN AS YOU CAN SEE
IS NOT A FREE WILL CHOICE
FOR
ONLY THOSE WHO GET BEHEADED
WILL DO SO
BECAUSE
THEY HAD FRIENDS OR FAMILY
THAT PREACHED TO THEM
IF YOU MISS RAPTURE
DO NOT TAKE MARK OF BEAST 666
GET
BEHEADED
Again, missing the passage doesn't help prove the point...
These are the verses that I know of that refer to the" Rapture", even though the word is not mentioned...pardon me for my cut and past faux pas lol
1 Corinthians 15:50-52 (New International Version)
50I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
John 14
1"Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God[a]; trust also in me. 2In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.
Revelation 3:10 (New International Version)
10Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth.
<H2 id=passage_heading>1 Thessalonians 1:10 (New International Version)
10and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath
</H2>
1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 (New International Version)
The Coming of the Lord
13Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have no hope. 14We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
1 Thessalonians 5:9 (New International Version)
9For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 15:50-52 (New International Version)
50I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
John 14
1"Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God[a]; trust also in me. 2In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.
Revelation 3:10 (New International Version)
10Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth.
<H2 id=passage_heading>1 Thessalonians 1:10 (New International Version)
10and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath
</H2>
1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 (New International Version)
The Coming of the Lord
13Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have no hope. 14We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
1 Thessalonians 5:9 (New International Version)
9For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Thank you for your polite response My response is indicated by the red, bold italics...
I'm not fighting you, I just need more fact than opinion
My response is indicated by the red, bold italics...I'm not fighting you, I just need more fact than opinion
I APOLOGIZE
MY RESPONSE TO THOSE I HAVE BEEN SPEAKING WITH
HAVE BEEN WELL VERSED IN THE BIBLE
I AM NOT SURE WHERE YOU ARE
BUT
MY RESPONSE HAD
BIBLICAL REFERENCES THAT CAN BE LISTED
BUT
HE WAS ASKING
HOW DID WE COME TO THIS BELIEF
AND
SOMETIMES YOUR ANSWERS ARE BEST BASED UPON
HOW IT WAS TAUGHT TO YOU
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So you're implying that parts of the bible no longer relevant?
That would be calling God a liar...no offence to you
and i'm a mother with a family who doesn't have the time to read all the posts lol
That would be calling God a liar...no offence to you
and i'm a mother with a family who doesn't have the time to read all the posts lol
LOL
NO
I AM SAYING
THIS SPECIFIC FORUM
THE ENTIRE ARGUMENT
HAS BEEN
SURROUNDING
THE SAME VERSES YOU USED
PLUS OTHERS
THE BIG
DEBATE HERE
IS WHETHER
THOSE SCRIPTURES
MEAN
PRE-TRIB
MID-TRIB
POST-TRIB
RAPTURE
OR
NO
RAPTURE
AT ALL
I WAS NOT MAKING MY
REFERENCES TO YOUR VERSES
IN A WAY
TO BE
SARCASTIC
JUST
SO YOU KNOW
M
Here is an example of how one must twist and pervert the word of God to suit their needs.
First they want to say these are separate events:
1 Cor 15
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
AND
1 Thes 4
16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
If you look carefully at the verses they do indeed speak of the same event. Heres what they have in common:
1. We are changed
2. dead resurrected
3. trumpet sounds
You would have to believe in two first resurrections and we are changed twice to believe this.
Now lets at other verses and see if it mentions the same event.
John 11:24
Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
Resurrection at the last day, not before and not more than one.
Revelations 20
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
The rest of the dead=wicked THE FIRST RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD. HOW MANY FIRST RESURRECTIONS CAN YOU HAVE???
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
First they want to say these are separate events:
1 Cor 15
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
AND
1 Thes 4
16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
If you look carefully at the verses they do indeed speak of the same event. Heres what they have in common:
1. We are changed
2. dead resurrected
3. trumpet sounds
You would have to believe in two first resurrections and we are changed twice to believe this.
Now lets at other verses and see if it mentions the same event.
John 11:24
Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
Resurrection at the last day, not before and not more than one.
Revelations 20
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
The rest of the dead=wicked THE FIRST RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD. HOW MANY FIRST RESURRECTIONS CAN YOU HAVE???
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.