Is Jesus Christ YHWH God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob??

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I SEE THIS THREAD HAS EVERYTHING IN IT BUT THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH

FIRST OF ALL

WE NEED TO ESTABLISH WHO JESUS IS WITHOUT QUESTION


IT ALL BEGINS IN THE GARDEN

1. TREE OF LIFE = JESUS CHRIST
2. NOAH'S ARK = JESUS CHRIST
3. GENESIS 14:18-20 MELCHIZEDEK = TYPE OF JESUS CHRIST OUR HIGH PRIEST
4. GENESIS 18:1 And the LORD appeared = JESUS CHRIST
5. THE COVENANT IS FORETOLD OF A CHILD (ISAAC)TO COME = JESUS CHRIST
6. ABRAHAM TO SACRIFICE ISAAC IS A TYPE OF JESUS CHRIST
7. A SACRIFICE FOR ISAAC IS PROVIDED = JESUS CHRIST
8. JACOB STEALS BIRTHRIGHT = TYPE OF JESUS CHRIST SACRIFICE STEALS AWAY FOM SATANS SNARE OF SIN
9. JACOB WRESTLES WITH JESUS THE MAN BECOMES ISRAEL = NEW PROMISE WE HAVE IN JESUS CHRIST
10. TRIALS AND VICTORIES OF JOSEPH = OUR WALK IN JESUS CHRIST AS OUR GOD
11. EXODUS 3:6 " I AM " THE GOD OF THY FATHER-ABRAHAM-ISAAC-JACOB = JESUS CHRIST
12. EXODUS 3:7 And the LORD said = JESUS CHRIST
13. EXODUS 3:14 " I AM THAT I AM "..." I AM " = JESUS CHRIST
14. THE " BLOOD " ON DOORPOSTS DURING DEATH OF FIRSTBORNS = JESUS CHRIST
15. PARTING OF THE SEA AND DEATH OF PHAROAH = OUR WALK IN JESUS CHRIST AS OUR GOD
16. 40 YEARS WHERE THE HEBREWS CLOTHES AND SANDALS NEVER WORN
AND MANNA AND WATER WAS PROVIDED = JEUS CHRIST
17. ARK OF THE COVENANT = JESUS CHRIST DWELLING IN US WHEN WE BECOME THE HOLY TEMPLE OF GOD
18. 10 COMMANDMENTS = JESUS CHRIST
19. JOSHUA LEADS THE CHILDREN INTO THE PROMISED LAND = JESUS CHRIST LEADING US
20. GIDEONS VICTORIES = JESUS CHRIST BRINGS US TO VICTORY
21. SAMSON = THE STRENGTH WE HAVE IN JESUS CHRIST AGAINST EVIL
22. BOAZ = JESUS CHRIST SECURING OUR RIGHT TO THE KINGDOM OF GOD
23. KING DAVID = A TYPE OF KING WHO JESUS CHRIST IS TO US HIS PEOPLE
24. ISAIAH 1:24-27 LORD, MIGHTY ONE OF ISRAEL = JESUS CHRIST
25. ISAIAH 7:14 VIRGIN CONCEIVES-A SON-IMMANUEL = JESUS CHRIST
26. ISAIAH 9:6 WONDERFUL-COUNSELOR-THE MIGHTY GOD- THE EVERLASTING FATHER-THE PRINCE OF PEACE =
JESUS CHRIST
27. ISAIAH CHAPTERS 40-66 ARE SPECIFIC = JESUS CHRIST
28. EZEKIEL 1:26-28 THE ONLY ONE THRONE OF GOD AND GOD IS AS THE LIKENESS OF A MAN(26) = JESUS CHRIST
29. SHADRACH-MESHACH-ABEDNEGO + SON OF MAN IN FURNACE OF FIRE = JESUS CHRIST
30. DANIEL 7:30 JUDGEMENT - ANCIENT OF DAYS = JESUS CHRIST
31. HOSEA THRU MALACHI IS ABOUT MESSIAH REIGN AND END TIMES = JESUS CHRIST
32. MATTHEW 1:23 VIRGIN W/CHILD - EMMANUEL - GOD WITH US = JEUS CHRIST
33. JOHN 1:1-2 IN THE BEGINNING - WORD IS GOD - SAME WAS THE IN BEGINNING WITH GOD = JESUS CHRIST
34. JOHN 8:58 BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS..." I AM " = JESUS CHRIST
35. JOHN 14: PHILP ask JEUS to shew them the FATHER-JEUS answers, have I not been with you soo long
YOU DO NOT KNOW ME?
when you see ME you see the FATHER when you see the FATHER you see ME = JEUS CHRIST IS GOD
36. COLOSSIANS 1:15-17 JESUS IS THE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD AND CREATOR OF ALL THINGS = JESUS CHRIST IS GOD
37. COLOSSIANS 2:9 IN JESUS IS THE COMPLETE GODHEAD(FATHER-WORD-HOLY GHOST) = JESUS CHRIST IS GOD
38. 1 JOHN 5:6-7 on earth JESUS=BLOOD-WATER-SPIRIT : in heaven JESUS=FATHER-WORD-HOLY GHOST =
JESUS CHRIST IS GOD
39. BOOK OF HEBREWS = JESUS CHRIST IS GOD
40. ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT IS ABOUT THE LIFE AND DEITY OF JESUS CHRIST AS GOD

THERE IS A REASON WE CALL THE BIBLE THE WORD OF GOD
JESUS CHRIST IS WRITTEN ABOUT FROM GENESIS TO REVELATION
JESUS CHRIST IS THE WORD OF GOD

JESUS CHRIST IS ALMIGHTY GOD

GOD IS A SPIRIT
WHICH IS A HOLY SPIRIT
WHO SPOKE LIFE INTO EXISTENCE
AND BECAME FLESH FOR OUR RECOGNITION AND OUR SALVATION
THERE IS
ONLY ONE GOD
ONLY ONE THRONE OF GOD
AND ONLY ONE WHO SITS UPON THAT THRONE

HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME
WHEN WE SPLIT
THE ONE GOD THINKING THERE ARE 3
WE NOW ARE HAVING GODS BEFORE THE ONE ONE GOD

JESUS CHRIST IS GOD
THE ONE GOD AND IN HIM IS THE COMPLETE GODHEAD(FATHER-WORD-HOLY GHOST)...COLOSSIANS 2:9

None Of The Above Verse Says Yashu's Is God . Just Throwing Verse Out There Like That Not Going To Change Anything .
 
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None Of The Above Verse Says Yashu's Is God . Just Throwing Verse Out There Like That Not Going To Change Anything .

LET ME ASK YOU ONE SERIOUS QUESTION

A MAN COMES DOWN FROM NOWHERE

CAN PERFORM AMAZING MIRACLES
BUT PREACHES AGAINST EVIL ANYTHING EVIL
SO THIS ELIMINATES THE ANTICHRIST
BUT
IN PREACHING THE DEITY OF GOD
AND PERFORMING EVERY MIRACLE
CASTING OUT OF DEMONS
EVERY WORD PREACHED IS ALL IN THE NAME OF GOD

WHAT WOULD MEN AROUND THIS PERSON THINK ????????

A PROPHET

FIRST HIS SOLE PURPOSE ASIDE FROM DYING
WAS NOT TO CLAIM THE WORSHIP OF MAN
BUT THE WORSHIP OF GOD
SO
IN EVERYTHING HE DOES
HE SAYS I DO THIS IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER
I WORSHIP THE FATHER
I COME IN MY FATHERS NAME
MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I

WHY DOES HE DO IT THIS WAY???????

TO SHOW US HOW WE ARE TO WORSHIP GOD AND LIVE FOR GOD

IF YOU NOTICE
ONCE JESUS ASCENDED TO HEAVEN
HIS DISCIPLES BEGAN PREACHING
JESUS WAS GOD
EVEN PAUL SAID IN JESUS IS THE COMPLETE GODHEAD...COLOSSIANS 2:9
EVEN JESUS' OWN DISCIPLE JOHN SAID IT TO...1 JOHN 5:6-7
ISAIAH CALLED THE COMING MESSIAH
WONDERFUL-COUNSELOR-THE MIGHTY GOD-THE EVERLASTING FATHER-
THE PRINCE OF PEACE

NOW WHY WOULD THEY MAKE THIS CLAIM???????

BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTOOD WHO JESUS REALLY WAS

NOW
HERE IS THE BILLION DOLLAR QUESTION
BESIDES JESUS COMING DOWN TO SHOW US PROPERLY HOW TO SERVE GOD
HIS SOLE PURPOSE WAS TO DIE TO SAVE US FROM A LIFE OF SIN AND ETERNAL HELL
NOW
HERE IT COMES
ARE YOU READY FOR IT ???????
IF
HAD
JESUS
SHOWED US
TOLD US
AND
PROVED TO US
THAT HE WAS GOD ALMIGHTY
THE
FATHER - WORD - HOLY GHOST
AS THOSE RELIGEOUS SECTS WANTED HIM TO..........
IF HE HAD DID AS THEY ASKED
DO YOU THINK THEY WOULD HAVE STILL KILLED GOD ALMIGHTY ???????

NO WAY
ABSOLUTELY .......... NO WAY
THEY WOULD HAVE PRESERVED HIS LIFE
THEN HIS MISSION WOULD HAVE NO PURPOSE..........

THIS IS WHY GOD CAME AS A LOWLY MAN FROM HUMBLE BEGINNINGS
TALK ABOUT BRILLIANT
WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND
WOULD THINK THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS
WOULD BE BORN IN A MANGER
AND RAISED
AS AN CARPENTERS SON
ALTHOUGH
A CARPENTER OR A FISHER
HONESTLY MAKES PERFECT SENSE
SINCE
JESUS WHO IS GOD
BUILDS WITH HIS OWN HANDS
HIS OWN DEITY
CONTRUCTS OUR LIVES
AND RESURRECTS US FROM SIN UNTO ETERNAL LIFE.

JESUS CHRIST IS GOD ALMIGHTY
 
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he was banned joint heir. Good post btw.
 
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Re: Jesus is God's right hand

So Your Dismissing The Verses That Prove He Not God ? Could You Explain This For Me ?

There Is No Way To Have A Trinity Without First Separating Each Of The Three Things Indivdually To Declare Then A Trinity . By That I Mean , You Have To First Establish That There Is A Father One Thing And A Son Another Thing And A Holy Ghost The Thrid Thing , In order For These Things To Totally Mix And Become One Thing . They Would Have To Start Off Equal In Rank , Quantity . Space , Density , Authority , Or Existence . In Admitting That The Son Came From The Father , Time Make The Difference , The Father Would Have To Had Been First , Before The Son . This Would Make Them Unequal And Incapable Of Becoming A Balanced Triad . No It Did Not Mean That When It Said God The Father ,,, God The Son , And God The Holy Ghost = One God .. Because Three Cannot Go Into One .
Peace be to you
I never once said he was God.I know who Jesus is.I asked God to show me and he did.I dont believe the trinity doctrine,The word trinity isnt in the bible.I believe the bible.
This must be fufilled;
luke;
In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.
All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.

Peter answered this question already;
math;

Jesus saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

If they dont believe God why would they believe me,they dont believe Moses either.

Love a friend in God
 
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As a Christian I think that if you really believe Jesus died for your sins you are saved no matter if you believe Jesus is God or the Christ, so even JW`s are our brothers in Christ.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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As a Christian I think that if you really believe Jesus died for your sins you are saved no matter if you believe Jesus is God or the Christ, so even JW`s are our brothers in Christ.
If you believe that Jesus was just a fallen man whose blood brought redemption, then why can't you just die for you own sins?
 
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Sorry, I dont find the cult of JW's to be our brothers in Christ. they are deceived and they are very dangerous.
 

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Sorry, I dont find the cult of JW's to be our brothers in Christ. they are deceived and they are very dangerous.
How sad but true, for the Jesus they worship is an angel, not the Son of God. In their doctrine, they are the Sons of God, even better than the angels.
 
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None Of The Above Verse Says Yashu's Is God . Just Throwing Verse Out There Like That Not Going To Change Anything .
Now I don't profess to have great Biblical knowledge, but this is how I see it. God the Father is Spirit. The Spirit of God the Father resides fully in Jesus. The Hply Spirit proceeds from the Father and is sent to us from the Son. Acts2:33 This Spirit is the Spirit of God Himself.
So the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one, united by the Spirit. But in that trinity there is a heirarchy with the Father at the head. It is simply wrong for people to quote scripture and reason with human understanding that Jesus is God full stop. By doing that huge amounts of scripture, plainly written are being cast to one side. No-one has the right to quote scripture and ask others to acceptr it if they then feel free to ignore other scripture that does not fit in with their personal opinions.
The Apostle Paul was plain. Jesus will be subject to the Father, after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.
Jesus himself said he had been given authority. He said this while on earth and when he had returned to Heaven. You can only be given authority by someone greater than yourself
No Christian has the right to insist we follow their personal belief when it directly opposes much plainly written scripture.
Do I totally understand the Trinity? No I do not. But I know that to say Jesus is God, full stop has to be ignoring much plainly written scripture. If some wish to do this that is their right, but they do not have the right to ask others to do the same
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Now I don't profess to have great Biblical knowledge, but this is how I see it. God the Father is Spirit. The Spirit of God the Father resides fully in Jesus. The Hply Spirit proceeds from the Father and is sent to us from the Son. Acts2:33 This Spirit is the Spirit of God Himself.
So the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one, united by the Spirit. But in that trinity there is a heirarchy with the Father at the head. It is simply wrong for people to quote scripture and reason with human understanding that Jesus is God full stop. By doing that huge amounts of scripture, plainly written are being cast to one side. No-one has the right to quote scripture and ask others to acceptr it if they then feel free to ignore other scripture that does not fit in with their personal opinions.
The Apostle Paul was plain. Jesus will be subject to the Father, after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.
Jesus himself said he had been given authority. He said this while on earth and when he had returned to Heaven. You can only be given authority by someone greater than yourself
No Christian has the right to insist we follow their personal belief when it directly opposes much plainly written scripture.
Do I totally understand the Trinity? No I do not. But I know that to say Jesus is God, full stop has to be ignoring much plainly written scripture. If some wish to do this that is their right, but they do not have the right to ask others to do the same
I agree. The trinity is our attempt to understand as best we can the scriptural relationship between God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit.
 
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Sorry, I dont find the cult of JW's to be our brothers in Christ. they are deceived and they are very dangerous.
Please if the person who hit my rep because of this post and posted this "false witness,prejudger" in the comments section would please come forward and explain to me what was false or prejudice about this post I would greatly appreciate it. YOU call ME a false witness??????
 
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THIS IS DEITY OF JESUS CHRIST ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE


PROOF JESUS IS THE WORD
JOHN 1:1...In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was with GOD, and the WORD was GOD

JOHN 1:14...And the WORD was made flesh (JESUS)..........


PROOF JESUS IS THE FATHER
JOHN 14:8-11...Philip asks JESUS to shew US the FATHER. JESUS answers, Have I been with you so long
THAT YOU DO NOT KNOW ME(THIS IS CLEAR EVIDENCE JESUS SAYING HE IS THE FATHER).
JESUS goes on to say IF YOU SEE ME YOU SEE THE FATHER IF YOU SEE THE FATHER YOU SEE ME
FOR I AM IN THE FATHER AND THE FATHER IS IN ME.


PROOF HOLY GHOST IS JESUS
GALATIANS 4:6...And because ye are sons(WE ARE SONS OF GOD WHEN WE ACCEPT JESUS AND ARE BAPTIZED AND SAVED),
GOD hath sent forth the SPIRIT(NOTICE CAPITAL "S" INDICATING HOLY GHOST)
of his SON(JESUS - NOTICE THE CAPITAL "S"PIRIT(HOLY GHOST) IS THE SPIRIT OF JESUS) into your hearts,
crying, ABBA FATHER.


WHO IS SENDING THE HOLY GHOST TO US.......?
LUKE 24:49...JESUS SAYS I SEND THE PROMISE (HOLY GHOST) OF MY FATHER
JOHN 14:26...JESUS SAYS THE FATHER WILL SEND THE COMFORTER (HOLY GHOST) IN MY NAME
JOHN 15:26...JESUS SAYS I WILL SEND THE COMFORTER (HOLY GHOST) UNTO YOU
JOHN 16:7...JESUS SAYS I WILL SEND THE COMFORTER (HOLY GHOST) UNTO YOU

WE HAVE JESUS SAYING THAT HE / FATHER WILL SEND HOLY GHOST = JESUS IS SPEAKING THAT HE IS THE FATHER


COLOSSIANS 2:9... IN JESUS IS THE COMPLETE GODHEAD BODY (FATHER - WORD - HOLY GHOST)

1 JOHN 5:6-7... WHEN ON EARTH JESUS WAS (WATER - BLOOD - SPIRIT)
WHEN IN HEAVEN JESUS IS (FATHER - WORD - HOLY GHOST)


SO
WE HAVE SCRIPTURES REVEALING WHO JESUS IS WRAPPED IN FLESH.......WORD
WE HAVE A SET OF SCRIPTURES SHOWING JESUS SAYS TO PHILIP DO YOU NOT KNOW WHO I AM.......? FATHER
WE HAVE SCRIPTURE COMFIRMING WHO WILL SEND THE COMFORTER.......JESUS WHO IS THE FATHER
WE HAVE ANOTHER VERSE CONFIRMING THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE SPIRIT OF JESUS.......HOLY GHOST


NOTICE
ALL 3 ARE JESUS AND JESUS IS ALL 3
THIS WOULD MAKE GOD ALL IN ALL
OR
JESUS CHRIST
EQUALS
THE ONE TRUE GOD
WHO IS
FATHER - WORD - HOLY GHOST
NOT
A
TRI-UNE GOD
BUT
ONE GOD
HAVING 3 MANEFESTATIONS

SO WHEN YOU WORSHIP JESUS CHRIST AS GOD
YOU ARE FULFILLING
THE VERY FIRST COMMANDMENT
HAVE NO OTHER gods BEFORE ME
JESUS CHRIST
IS
ALPHA AND OMEGA
FIRST AND LAST
WHICH MEANS
THERE IS NONE
EQUAL TO OR BESIDE HIM
 
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Please if the person who hit my rep because of this post and posted this "false witness,prejudger" in the comments section would please come forward and explain to me what was false or prejudice about this post I would greatly appreciate it. YOU call ME a false witness??????
yeah Marcie, it bothers me that people can give minus rep anonymously and even use it for anonymous personal insults
 
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ChristsArmorBearer

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I have a great study for you Imoss that may help. Go back to Genesis and read where God in Human form came to talk to Abraham just before He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. Then fast forward to where Jesus is speaking in the temple to the pharisees In Matthew or John where Jesus says "before Abraham was, I AM." There Jesus actually talks about meeting Abraham and how Abraham was thrilled.

Pretty cool stuff.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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I have a great study for you Imoss that may help. Go back to Genesis and read where God in Human form came to talk to Abraham just before He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. Then fast forward to where Jesus is speaking in the temple to the pharisees In Matthew or John where Jesus says "before Abraham was, I AM." There Jesus actually talks about meeting Abraham and how Abraham was thrilled.

Pretty cool stuff.
The "I am" (ego eimi) is also a referance to what God said to Moses: "Tell them that I am has sent you to them."
 
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Let`s face it, the doctrine of trinity is not very clear so we should not be too dogmatic about it. Therefore all of us Christians (catholics, evangelicals, orthodox,adventists, even JWs, etc) should focus on our great concidences instead of letting the devil divide us for secondary issues. We should remember that Jesus prayed for the unity of the church, of course unity under Christ not under a human leader.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Let`s face it, the doctrine of trinity is not very clear so we should not be too dogmatic about it. Therefore all of us Christians (catholics, evangelicals, orthodox,adventists, even JWs, etc) should focus on our great concidences instead of letting the devil divide us for secondary issues. We should remember that Jesus prayed for the unity of the church, of course unity under Christ not under a human leader.
I don't think that the issue with the JW's is trinitarian vs unitarian (or modalism) but the whole issue of the diety of Christ and the basis of salvation.
 

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Let`s face it, the doctrine of trinity is not very clear so we should not be too dogmatic about it. Therefore all of us Christians (catholics, evangelicals, orthodox,adventists, even JWs, etc) should focus on our great concidences instead of letting the devil divide us for secondary issues. We should remember that Jesus prayed for the unity of the church, of course unity under Christ not under a human leader.
Amen! These things are taught by the Holy Spirit, in thoughts which are hard to put into words, how the Father and the Son and the Spirit are one. We can only see dimly now, but then we will see perfectly.
 
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Re: Jesus is God's right hand

Peace be to you
I never once said he was God.I know who Jesus is.I asked God to show me and he did.I dont believe the trinity doctrine,The word trinity isnt in the bible.I believe the bible.
This must be fufilled;


so who are" Us" or "our"

Ge 1:26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.