For those who say they were saved before they spoke in tongues....
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Agreed. After two weeks of dialogue with the people here, I'm leaning towards leaving ChristianChat.com altogether -- too much confusion and too many nasty people. In two weeks, I've witnessed more bickering and chopping at peoples personal character than I have witnessed the opposite: Fellowship, Discipleship, Edifying the Church.
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I was disagreeing with one member on here, because I ASSUMED that her position was defending the OP.
Turns out, she wasn't, and my reaction to her post caused harm for no reason.
I still don't 'get' her position, but that doesn't excuse the way I bluntly responded to her earlier in the thread.
Sorry, convallaria.
Perhaps someone can start a thread about 'evidence of the Spirit within a Believer'.
Turns out, she wasn't, and my reaction to her post caused harm for no reason.
I still don't 'get' her position, but that doesn't excuse the way I bluntly responded to her earlier in the thread.
Sorry, convallaria.
Perhaps someone can start a thread about 'evidence of the Spirit within a Believer'.
You brutally attacked my testimony which was given honestly and with a pure heart. If you think that is Godly behaviour then I am not at all surprised you are unable to give your own testimony of the gifts of God according to my genuine request. How dare you suggest that my gifting is "lust driven" and similar to an addiction to drugs.
If it were just me who you insult by this, that would be bad enough. But there are many more brothers and sisters on here who have the gift of tongues, and you have insulted them too, since they are part of the church also.
Is it any wonder that this subject fails to get discussed in proper manner when you and others only ask questions to bait people, and then attack us for responding.
The evidence for tongues is all through the New Testament. If you have such little respect for the Word of God, why would you even sign off "for the cause of Christ"?
The gifts of God through the Holy Spirit are there for the asking since God gives freely all these things to His children. We are in dangerous times when there are those who name the name of Christ who are ready to do slaughter to the lambs who have trusted Him to help them with His Spirit, and to help others in the body.
Matthew 7
6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. 7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. 9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? 10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? 11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him? 12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
God bless you LT, apology accepted!. I read your other post and I can see now that you have an experience of God for sure, Many thanks, it comforts me.
Good idea regarding a new thread as you said above. I am a bit tired and somewhat upset at the moment but if no one has done it by the time I visit here in the morning, I may start it myself.
Good idea regarding a new thread as you said above. I am a bit tired and somewhat upset at the moment but if no one has done it by the time I visit here in the morning, I may start it myself.
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God bless you LT, apology accepted!. I read your other post and I can see now that you have an experience of God for sure, Many thanks, it comforts me.
Good idea regarding a new thread as you said above. I am a bit tired and somewhat upset at the moment but if no one has done it by the time I visit here in the morning, I may start it myself.
Good idea regarding a new thread as you said above. I am a bit tired and somewhat upset at the moment but if no one has done it by the time I visit here in the morning, I may start it myself.
L
From what I can see, we agree about how tongues is not a gift all believers have at salvation. The OP seems to be the only one who suggests one can't be saved without speaking in tongues. I was saved in 1982 and learned about the baptism of the HolySpirit in 2015. Never learned about speaking in tongues or healing of all kinds until learning what we have as believers under the new covenant of grace in 2015. Am still learning. A believer can be saved for many years and yet not know about a lot of the workings of God. Just goes to show we can't go by experiences of people. It's all about what the Bible says and how the HolySpirit begins to apply it to the seeking heart as we read His Word and submit to it by faith. The HolySpirit works.
Just another reason to not get angry at each other for not understanding the same things we believe about certain gifts., and to allow God to judge instead of us. We have no idea what another person is going through but the truth we DO have right now is God is able to deal with His children individually. Like when the apostles were asking Jesus how come He did thus and so with another disciple He said "what is that to you?" Sometimes we are not privy to such details of another persons heart. Let God be God.... And life really becomes much easier and His Words come true - take my yoke upon you for my yoke is easy and my burden is light.
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Well., many of us totally disagree with you based on the Bible. The gifts are for today and have certainly not ceased for us. I used to hold to what you posted there but have since learned otherwise.
I agree with convallaria that it's wise to respect one another. I appreciate her trying to share her heart here.
L
Most certainly Bibleteacher33., For that very reason I never even read verses that referred to speaking in tongues nor did our family and friends hang out with 'those' kinds of Christians. In the churches our family went to, they taught speaking in tongues was from the devil and the Christians who did it were mislead and looking for signs .
But as I got older in the faith and saw that many believers who had a close walk with Jesus did speak in tongues I decided that there must be something to it but it still wasn't for me. Our family and friends had got on just fine (I thought) all these years without this teaching so we were fine. I did not want to 'go there' and become one of those tongue talking people who are wacky.
After learning that we are new covenant believers no longer under the old covenant of the law, things changed.., the fear I possessed about such things was not fore most any longer.. When faith in Christ's righteousness is involved, it became about learning to trust God for truth and not my emotions or other people's pros or cons in the matter of what is our inheritance under the new covenant is. Most believers do not know they are under a new covenant of grace and are living under the covenant of the law as new covenant believers like I did for many years.
But as I got older in the faith and saw that many believers who had a close walk with Jesus did speak in tongues I decided that there must be something to it but it still wasn't for me. Our family and friends had got on just fine (I thought) all these years without this teaching so we were fine. I did not want to 'go there' and become one of those tongue talking people who are wacky.
After learning that we are new covenant believers no longer under the old covenant of the law, things changed.., the fear I possessed about such things was not fore most any longer.. When faith in Christ's righteousness is involved, it became about learning to trust God for truth and not my emotions or other people's pros or cons in the matter of what is our inheritance under the new covenant is. Most believers do not know they are under a new covenant of grace and are living under the covenant of the law as new covenant believers like I did for many years.
L
What I found out was if believers do not know what is in the Bible about something as important as grace, than grace (unmerited favor and love) will not be real for them. They will walk in condemnation. But that condemnation does not come from God. The devil is the one who accuses the brethren and condemns us. Not the HolySpirit.
But yet how many of us believers take that condemnation based on a mis understanding of the Bible? It takes faith to believe that God means what He said about there no longer being any condemnation for the child of God. That Jesus took all our guilt, shame and condemnation. If we have condemnation it is not coming from God, but from the devil. We chose to believe our 'feelings' of guilt and condemnation instead of what God's Word says about us., and when we do, we will not walk in the freedom freely provided for us through Christ, because we are instead receiving false condemnation from the devil.,who is the accuser of the brethren, the liar and the father of lies who seeks to steal, kill and destroy us.
The Bible says that you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. But if we do not know the truth and believe it personally, the truth is there yet it will not be setting us free if we don't believe it.
If a believer allows their up bringing in religion to guide them and refuses to look at the Bible with an open heart, they will not be open to truth. They will walk in a form of truth but not in more truth. That is how was for me. I had a form of godliness that was from a self righteous religious spirit. A works righteousness and not a Jesus righteousness in grace 'given' as a gift to me.
The Bible says that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. So the more I heard the more faith came. Faith comes by hearing and hearing and hearing again and again. That is why we are told to study these things out like we were looking or mining for gold.
1 John 2:27 refers to us believers and how we have the testimony in ourselves because we have the HolySpirit. But if we are not teachable we will not be taught all things. For myself, I was resistant to many truths from Scripture because of not having a teachable spirit. I refused to see things apart from my own understanding. I didn't know where my will ended and where the HolySpirit's will began. Without faith it is impossible to please God. Like many Christians, my faith resided in my own understanding in things I saw and could prove. That is not Bible faith.
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