Who is GOD.......?
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Though joint-heir, I find it ironic, if not slightly amusing, that you appealed to the Muslims as having it right, when Muslims are known to worship the pagan Sun or moon god, I forget which. Perhaps it is the Oneness doctrine which is pagan and occult? Afterall.. we know which belief God has preserved for 2000 years - the Trinity.
TRACE ISHMAELS ORIGIN AND GENEOLOGY AND YOU WILL FIND
HE
IS
THE FATHER
OF THE 12 PRINCES OF ARAB NATIONS
GENESIS 25:12-16
THIS SAME INFO IS FOUND IN BOTH
BIBLICAL CONCORDANCES AND TRANSLATIONS
I HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON WITH MY ENEMIES OF GOD
BUT
IT SEEMS AS THOSE
FROM MOST OF YOUR POSTS ON MANY THREADS
YOU ARE ENEMIES
TO MANY BELIEVERS OF JEHOVA
You said:
IF you want to appeal to a false religion like Muslims to prove your beliefs that's fine by me
.
No, if you trace back the ancestry of Muslims... Islam started in Arabia. They claim Abraham went to Mecca which he never did. Arabians are descended from tribes completely different to those descended from Ishmael.
Jehovah? I thought you said God's name was Jesus?
You have one thing in common with Muslims - you deny the Trinity.
The claim that Muslims are descended from Abraham via Ishmael..are simply that..claims..
a made up story by the Muslims so they can lay claim to cities like Jerusalem and other holy sites in this false religion. The arabs were descended from Cush and Shem and existed well before Abraham and Ishmael were born.
See this website for further information.
http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-myths-arabs-descendants-of-ishmael.htm
IF you want to appeal to a false religion like Muslims to prove your beliefs that's fine by me
. No, if you trace back the ancestry of Muslims... Islam started in Arabia. They claim Abraham went to Mecca which he never did. Arabians are descended from tribes completely different to those descended from Ishmael.
Jehovah? I thought you said God's name was Jesus?
You have one thing in common with Muslims - you deny the Trinity.
The claim that Muslims are descended from Abraham via Ishmael..are simply that..claims..
a made up story by the Muslims so they can lay claim to cities like Jerusalem and other holy sites in this false religion. The arabs were descended from Cush and Shem and existed well before Abraham and Ishmael were born.
See this website for further information.
http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-myths-arabs-descendants-of-ishmael.htm
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PS. you know Muslims lay claim to Jerusalem. But Mohammed never travelled there...neither is Jerusalem in the Quran. As I said before.. this thing about Muslims beiing descended from Ishmael, is largely myth... although.. it is true that with the descendants of God's people , the Israelite tribes.. many are today Muslims. But as a religion.. Islam has NO CLAIM on biblical history or Jewish ancestry.
And in case there are any misconceptions about the origins of what this thread is about... there is plenty of evidence that the movement started in 1913, no matter how much you deny it. They are like the Jehovah's Witnesses, or other heretical sects, which claim they have "always existed"..but have little evidence to back up their claims, and so are nothing more than liars.
Oneness Pentecostals facts:
Founder: Frank Ewart
Founding Date: 1913
Structure: Numerous denominations and independent churches.
Official Publications: Harvestime radio program, The New Birth, The Oneness of God.
Unique Terms: Apostolic, Jesus Only, Jesus Name baptism, prophecy wheel, emphasis on Acts 2:38.
Groups: United Pentecostal Church International, Apostolic World Christian Federation, Assemblies of the Lord Jesus Christ, Church of the Lord Jesus Christ of the Apostolic Faith, Pentecostal Assemblies of the World.
The purpose of the Council of Nicea, was not to form new doctrine, but to protect it from heresy. They established the key doctrines of Christianity that Christians had always believed in.
But, your belief does exist prior to 1913... but only in the heresies of Sabellius and similar:
Modalism: The doctrine of the Godhead taught by Oneness Pentecostals, rather than having its roots in the Bible, can instead be traced to the heresy of modalism taught in the third century by Sabellius (although it was first taught in 190 by Theodotus of Byzantium). Sabellius taught that the monotheistic God (called a monad) progressively revealed Himself through the offices of the Trinity. Significantly, Sabellius was excommunicated from the Church for his aberrant teachings. The Oneness Pentecostal teaching that God "manifested" Himself through the offices of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit comes directly from Sabellius, who even used the term "manifesting" to define his doctrine.21
http://www.watchman.org/profile/onenesspro.htm
Oneness believers need to have a true relationship with God the Father through Jesus Christ and by the Holy Spirit... I know Taoists who believe in and pray to Jesus too and even read the bible.. but that doesn't make them Christian...because they do not believe the key doctrines of Christianity.
Oneness believers also need to turn back from believing a doctrine of salvation by works (water baptism and speaking in tongues), and to salvation by grace through faith in Christ. They boast they have the way to salvation because they have the correct "Jesus only" formula for baptism...and that those baptised under the Trinitarian formula are going to hell.
Oneness Pentecostals facts:
Founder: Frank Ewart
Founding Date: 1913
Structure: Numerous denominations and independent churches.
Official Publications: Harvestime radio program, The New Birth, The Oneness of God.
Unique Terms: Apostolic, Jesus Only, Jesus Name baptism, prophecy wheel, emphasis on Acts 2:38.
Groups: United Pentecostal Church International, Apostolic World Christian Federation, Assemblies of the Lord Jesus Christ, Church of the Lord Jesus Christ of the Apostolic Faith, Pentecostal Assemblies of the World.
The purpose of the Council of Nicea, was not to form new doctrine, but to protect it from heresy. They established the key doctrines of Christianity that Christians had always believed in.
But, your belief does exist prior to 1913... but only in the heresies of Sabellius and similar:
Modalism: The doctrine of the Godhead taught by Oneness Pentecostals, rather than having its roots in the Bible, can instead be traced to the heresy of modalism taught in the third century by Sabellius (although it was first taught in 190 by Theodotus of Byzantium). Sabellius taught that the monotheistic God (called a monad) progressively revealed Himself through the offices of the Trinity. Significantly, Sabellius was excommunicated from the Church for his aberrant teachings. The Oneness Pentecostal teaching that God "manifested" Himself through the offices of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit comes directly from Sabellius, who even used the term "manifesting" to define his doctrine.21
http://www.watchman.org/profile/onenesspro.htm
Oneness believers need to have a true relationship with God the Father through Jesus Christ and by the Holy Spirit... I know Taoists who believe in and pray to Jesus too and even read the bible.. but that doesn't make them Christian...because they do not believe the key doctrines of Christianity.
Oneness believers also need to turn back from believing a doctrine of salvation by works (water baptism and speaking in tongues), and to salvation by grace through faith in Christ. They boast they have the way to salvation because they have the correct "Jesus only" formula for baptism...and that those baptised under the Trinitarian formula are going to hell.
You said:
IF you want to appeal to a false religion like Muslims to prove your beliefs that's fine by me.
No, if you trace back the ancestry of Muslims... Islam started in Arabia. They claim Abraham went to Mecca which he never did. Arabians are descended from tribes completely different to those descended from Ishmael.
Jehovah? I thought you said God's name was Jesus?
You have one thing in common with Muslims - you deny the Trinity.
The claim that Muslims are descended from Abraham via Ishmael..are simply that..claims..
a made up story by the Muslims so they can lay claim to cities like Jerusalem and other holy sites in this false religion. The arabs were descended from Cush and Shem and existed well before Abraham and Ishmael were born.
See this website for further information.
http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-myths-arabs-descendants-of-ishmael.htm
IF you want to appeal to a false religion like Muslims to prove your beliefs that's fine by me
. No, if you trace back the ancestry of Muslims... Islam started in Arabia. They claim Abraham went to Mecca which he never did. Arabians are descended from tribes completely different to those descended from Ishmael.
Jehovah? I thought you said God's name was Jesus?
You have one thing in common with Muslims - you deny the Trinity.
The claim that Muslims are descended from Abraham via Ishmael..are simply that..claims..
a made up story by the Muslims so they can lay claim to cities like Jerusalem and other holy sites in this false religion. The arabs were descended from Cush and Shem and existed well before Abraham and Ishmael were born.
See this website for further information.
http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-myths-arabs-descendants-of-ishmael.htm
ACTUALLY MOSES
WROTE
THAT ISHMAEL
HAD 12 SONS WHO WERE THE 12 PRINCES OF ARABIA
NOT THE MUSLIMS
THEY JUST TAKE THE CREDIT
ATLEAST THOSE WHO OTHERS SAY THEY HAVE AUTHORITY TO MAKE CLAIM
BUT
I FEEL IT IS
TO BE A PART OF SOME KIND OF
RELATIONSHIP TO THE HEBREW GOD
JESUS IS JEHOVA WHICH IS ....... " I AM THAT I AM "
AND ANY CHRISTIAN SHOULD KNOW
WHO THEIR ENEMY IS
AND UNDERSTAND THEIR WAYS
AND VIEWS
IN ORDER
IF GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY
TO SHOW PROPER
SCRIPTURE
IN
MAKING YOUR CASE
OR
DEFENDING
YOUR FAITH
I DENY 3 SEPARATE BEINGS BEING ONE GOD
IT IS HERETIC
AND WRONG
THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD
AND THAT ONE GOD
HAS 3 FUNCTIONS
SUPREME BEING - WORD OF GOD - HOLINESS
OR
OMNIPOTENT - OMNISCIENT - OMNIPRESENT
EITHER WAY YOU TITLE IT
OR
DESCRIBE IT
IT IS ALL
ONE GOD
ALL IN ALL
WHAT I AM ENJOYING ABOUT
YOUR
FALSE ACCUSATIONS TOWARDS ME
IT IS GOOD TO BE TESTED
AND UNDER FIRE
EVEN THOUGH
I KNOW
WHO YOU ARE
ACCORDING TO YOUR OTHER POSTS
AND
FALSE BIBLICAL CLAIMS
IT MAKES ME
FEEL RIGHT AT HOME
BELIEVING
I AM NOT BEING TESTED BY A BROTHER IN CHRIST
BUT RATHER
A WOLF
IN
SHEEPS CLOTHING
"Does the Bible teach that as the descendants of Ishmael, the Arabs are sworn enemies of the Jews" see:
http://www.rbc.org/questionsDetail.aspx?id=54226
http://www.rbc.org/questionsDetail.aspx?id=54226
Like Sabellius..you will find, that your beliefs are the heresy, not mine . So where is your beliefs in the Nicene creed? Why weren't your beliefs put int the Nicene creed? Answer: because they were deemed to be heretical by the majority of Christian representatives at the time. You have given no proof for your beliefs, just bible verses taken out of context.. no historical proof.. But your movement started in 1913.. and the false pre-trib rapture belief started in the 1800's... yes you're doing well to fulfill the scriptures about last days heresies.
. So where is your beliefs in the Nicene creed? Why weren't your beliefs put int the Nicene creed? Answer: because they were deemed to be heretical by the majority of Christian representatives at the time. You have given no proof for your beliefs, just bible verses taken out of context.. no historical proof.. But your movement started in 1913.. and the false pre-trib rapture belief started in the 1800's... yes you're doing well to fulfill the scriptures about last days heresies.
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ACTUALLY A GREAT MAN OF GOD
BISHOP G.T. HAYWOOD
WHO WROTE
IN YOUR ORIGINAL HYMNALS
" THE CRIMSON STREAM OF BLOOD "
WAS HOLDING A REVIVAL IN 1918
WHERE MY GRANDFATHER
WHO HIS FATHER A GREAT ARCHITECT
FROM IRELAND
HAD SETTLED DOWN NEAR THE
SOUTH BEND, INDIANA
AREA AND WAS A FAITHFUL MEMBER
OF THE
HOLY CROSS CHURCH
WHICH IS THE SAME CHURCH
AND NAME OF 1 OF 3 UNIVERSITIES ON ONE CAMPUS
NOTRE DAME - HOLY CROSS - SAINT MARY'S
HAD 2 COMMON DRIVES IN LIFE
ONE
HE HELPED BUILD AND DESIGN THE ORIGINAL
KNUTE ROCKNE FOOTBALL STADIUM
AND THE OTHER
GRROMING MY GRANDFATHER
FOR THE PRIESTHOOD
IN THEIR BELOVED CATHOLIC FAITH
MY GRANDFATHER
FULL OF CURIOSITY
CAME TO SEE WHAT THIS BIG TENT REVIVAL WAS ALL ABOUT
AFTER SITTING IN 2 SERVICES
HE WITNESSED TRUE POWER
AND TRUE RELATIONSHIP
IN GOD
HE GAVE HIS LIFE TO
THE PRECIOUS BELIEF
AND WALK
IN THE ONENESS
MIGHTIFUL POWER
OF JESUS CHRIST
GOD ALMIGHTY
MY GRANDFATHER LEFT HIS HOME
AND
THE LIES OF THE
TRINITY
WHICH HE KNEW SO WELL
STUDYING TO BECOME A PRIEST
TO FOLLOW AND LEARN FROM THE GREAT BISHOP HAYWOOD
WHO HIMSELF
FOR MANY YEARS
WAS UNDER THE GREAT MINISTRY
OF THE
APOSTLES OF JESUS CHRIST
AND
WAS A VERY
VOCAL PART
OF
IZUZU STREET
WHEN
A GREAT MEETING OF MANY
BIBLICAL SCHOLARS AND PASTORS AND EVANGELISTS
HAD GATHERED
TO DISCOVER
TRINITY WAS IN FACT
A LIE
AND FALSE DOCTRINE
AND SEPARATED THEMSELVES
TO PREACH THE TRUTH
OF
JESUS CHRIST
Like Sabellius..you will find, that your beliefs are the heresy, not mine . So where is your beliefs in the Nicene creed? Why weren't your beliefs put int the Nicene creed? Answer: because they were deemed to be heretical by the majority of Christian representatives at the time. You have given no proof for your beliefs, just bible verses taken out of context.. no historical proof.. But your movement started in 1913.. and the false pre-trib rapture belief started in the 1800's... yes you're doing well to fulfill the scriptures about last days heresies.
. So where is your beliefs in the Nicene creed? Why weren't your beliefs put int the Nicene creed? Answer: because they were deemed to be heretical by the majority of Christian representatives at the time. You have given no proof for your beliefs, just bible verses taken out of context.. no historical proof.. But your movement started in 1913.. and the false pre-trib rapture belief started in the 1800's... yes you're doing well to fulfill the scriptures about last days heresies.
LETS GET TO THE BOTTOM LINE
OK
STOP
ASSUMING
MY BELIEFS
ARE MAN MADE
WHAT I BELIEVE
IS SOLELY
WHAT GOD HAS REVEALED UNTO ME
THRU
SCRIPTURE
BECAUSE
I ASKED
HIM
TO PROVE IT TO ME
BEFORE
I WOULD EVER GO OUT AND ABOUT
AND
PREACH IT
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT.......?
Translation: I could care less about their doctrines. I just wanted to know enough to become aware for myself if someone ever tries to pull that crap on myself or any members of my church, to understand where they are coming from. This is called knowing your enemy.
I don't mean to be mean, friend. Not at all. But could you try not using caps so much and don't space out like that after every couple words? It makes reading your posts a lot easier.
I don't mean to be mean, friend. Not at all. But could you try not using caps so much and don't space out like that after every couple words? It makes reading your posts a lot easier.