Is the Prophet lying?

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ok let me give this a shot.

Did he die for ALL the sin of the WHOLE world.. yes (jesus admitted this in john 3: 16, when he said God loved the world he gave his son for it)

He also died for all sin.

what he did not die for is unbelief, which is blasphemy of the spirit.

He states this also. He who believes HAS (present perfect tense) eternal life

He that does not believe shall not see life, but the wrath of God.

as the pharisees, who were just in danger of committing the unpardonable sin 9even though thy had done it) had a chance to repent until the day they died. So to do those in unbelief, given the chance to repent, until the day they die (which was Johns message, REPENT. )
 
(Mark 11:27-33 [AKJV])
And they come again to Jerusalem: and as he was walking in the temple, there come to him the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders, And say to him, By what authority do you these things? and who gave you this authority to do these things? And Jesus answered and said to them,
I will also ask of you one question, and answer me, and I will tell you by what authority I do these things. The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men? answer me. And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say, Why then did you not believe him? But if we shall say, Of men; they feared the people: for all men counted John, that he was a prophet indeed. And they answered and said to Jesus, We cannot tell. And Jesus answering said to them, Neither do I tell you by what authority I do these things.
And still. til this day you pharisees are still afraid of the Truth and will not admit John's message was from God.
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how novel

now we are all pharisees

yes...that name has never been spread about before by someone who goes rogue
 
The slaves in the Civil War were DECLARED FREED but that doesn't mean all chose to go free.
 
Jesus said, "For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."

He also said, "This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."

 
(Mark 11:27-33 [AKJV])
And they come again to Jerusalem: and as he was walking in the temple, there come to him the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders, And say to him, By what authority do you these things? and who gave you this authority to do these things? And Jesus answered and said to them,
I will also ask of you one question, and answer me, and I will tell you by what authority I do these things. The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men? answer me. And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say, Why then did you not believe him? But if we shall say, Of men; they feared the people: for all men counted John, that he was a prophet indeed. And they answered and said to Jesus, We cannot tell. And Jesus answering said to them, Neither do I tell you by what authority I do these things.
And still. til this day you pharisees are still afraid of the Truth and will not admit John's message was from God.
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Well do not speak for me because I know John's baptism was called to be done by God Himself, and even Jesus went to John to be baptized and made the statement; "Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness." (Matthew 3:15)

This is the same baptism Jesus commanded in Matthew 28:19 and Mark 16:16 and the disciples continued to carry out during Jesus ministry and even after in the book of Acts. If baptism done by immersion in water was done away with as some now days try to teach, then Jesus would have clearly made the Apostles stop and not let them continue doing it.
 
For me, I still only know 2 other Christians that REALLY believe that Christ paid for all sin. And KNOW what unbelievers are judged for.

Why won't anyone answer this question? Doesn't matter if you believe purgatory, chastisement, annihilation or what ever.

If sin is paid for, what is the judgement from?

Rebellion against the atoning work of Jesus Christ, the Holy Son of God! This is a serious matter, my friends.
 
Is the Prophet of God lying?
I find that much of modern christianity rejects the authority of scripture and replaces it with their own thoughts and desires.
Don't believe me! Let us look at a verse.

(John 1:29 [AKJV])
The next day John sees Jesus coming to him, and said,
Behold the Lamb of God, which takes away the sin of the world.
(John 1:29 [GUV])
John is seeing on the morrow Jesus [Who] is coming (to) him, and is saying, see!
the Lamb of God [is coming], Who is taking away the sin of the world.

No matter what translation you use it will all say the same. The Lamb of God takes away the Sin of the world. Period! No action by the world is necessary to be forgiven. The Prophet speaks the Word of God. The Prophet is under the direct control of the Holy Spirit. The prophet gives the message exactly as God gave it to him. The message is "Complete" and concise. To add to the Prophets Words [Words of God] is rebellion against God. I know I for one will not defy the Prophets Words from God. This is a terrible dilemma for modern christianity. They stand in direct opposition to God's Prophet or they believe his message.
Well! Is he lying or telling the Truth? Will you believe him or alter his Words [Words of God]?

What would benefit you most would be to learn what John spoke of from the Law, while he was bound by the Law, concerning the lamb sacrifice. Most Jews knew the history and meaning of a sacrificial lamb. They knew that sacrifice didn't cause eternal forgiveness, but was a conditional covenant act directly associated with repentance of sin.

John's gospel was repentance in preparation for the only Lamb God would accept forever, still on condition of repentance and faith believing on Jesus.

No, the prophet was not a lair. He ministered to what was left of Israel, which had departed significantly from the Mosaic Covenant, forgetting about repentance of sin, though making sacrifices in vain. Corruption ruled.

Think of the price Jesus paid to take our sins away this way. One of my aunts decided I should go straight to college upon graduating high school. My family was too poor to see to that, but she was wealthy. My mother told me to pack up and go register where Auntie said to go. I didn't want to go, having not planned for that, wanting to keep a steady job already in hand. Reluctantly I got on a Greyhound Bus and went. Somewhat doubting the reality of it all, I arrived at a registrar table on the grand promenade under a giant oak tree. When I provided my name, the woman opened her book. "Ah, you are pre-paid for tuition and room & board. You have 8 semesters available. Congratulations!" All I had to do was attend. I would not have received an education had I gone back home, though the expense was paid. In the same manner, my sins were washed in Christ, but not if I returned to my former life apart from Christ.

I'll finish the story should a spiritual lesson not already be confirmed from knowing the gospel of Christ.

The Vietnam war was heating up. I watched batches of fellow students leave, some drafted, others insisting on joining up. Upon finishing my fourth semester I decided to visit the Navy/Marine/Coast Guard recruiter. The Navy offered me a starting pay at E-3 for a 4 year commitment, which I accepted. It was a huge life changer. Soon I received a letter from the college, saying they were required to refund the balance of my college funds due to my failure to continue. It was heart-breaking. I didn't realize that consequence, ignorantly resting on knowing my 4 years was paid for. I paid a big price to just get back to where I left off, fortunately with significant help from the G.I. Bill, which was good for 8 semesters. I finished my B.S. on it and used the balance in flight school, plus some hours toward a Masters. That was the hard way to do it.

I learned later my cousin had the same blessing from Auntie, who stayed in college. Unlike my small-mindedness, He dared to ask her for help for a vehicle, was told to go pick a new one out he liked, drove it off the lot paid for. He went on to become a heart surgeon by her funding, and she built a clinic for him later, and inherited most of her huge estate. I got nothing whatsoever again from Auntie other than that initial provision on day one at college.

Jesus has paid the price for me to enter into the presence of my holy God, and stay there justified, my sins taken away, not owing him anything but to love and obey Him. My Bible insists that I depart from a life of sin, not creating a new list of sins requiring more blood to wash away. I am expected not to put Jesus to shame, nor trample on his blood like a hog might crush precious pearls under foot. John preached knowledge of the coming savior. Jesus came, preaching Jesus' gospel, not John's gospel, to repent and believe Jesus' gospel. John introduced Jesus, then Jesus introduced his gospel we know as salvation by grace through faith, with repentance being the first response to God, which is never to be forsaken. We must always repent when the Holy Spirit tells us to.

The way is provided. Stay in it, reap eternal benefits. Falling away? Gone off in some other way? Repent while the Lord yet calls you back, return, grow in faith.
 
Heb 10:26-31 (KJV)
26) For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28) He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29) Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30) For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31) [It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
 
ok let me give this a shot.

Did he die for ALL the sin of the WHOLE world.. yes (jesus admitted this in john 3: 16, when he said God loved the world he gave his son for it)

He also died for all sin.

what he did not die for is unbelief, which is blasphemy of the spirit.

He states this also. He who believes HAS (present perfect tense) eternal life

He that does not believe shall not see life, but the wrath of God.

as the pharisees, who were just in danger of committing the unpardonable sin 9even though thy had done it) had a chance to repent until the day they died. So to do those in unbelief, given the chance to repent, until the day they die (which was Johns message, REPENT. )

I can just about agree with all you said. But with a little twist. The unpardonable sin was forgiven, however only once. If committed again there is no more sacrifice.
(Heb 10:26 [AKJV])
For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,

This is the mercy. All things in heaven and earth were reconciled to God.
(2Cor 5:19 [AKJV])
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, not imputing their trespasses to them; and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

This was the message of John the Baptist and that message was still preached after the death and resurrection.
And this is the very same message I preach today. This message is consistent with the entire scripture except for the teachings of modern Pharisaical christianity.
 
Heb 10:26-31 (KJV)
26) For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

All of us have sinned wilfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth. So what is this verse telling us? It is saying that the Old Testament sacrifices for sin will no longer avail for us. the choice is Christ or judgment. (The words were written to Hebrews on the verge of converting to Christianity).

28) He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

This is speaking of 'sins with a high hand', the sins for which there was no offering for sin, such as murder, adultery, kidnapping, bestiality and so on. For these there had never been a sacrifice for sin. Once committed there was no forgiveness. These dreadful sins are then compared with the heinous sin of rejecting the crucified Messiah.

29) Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30) For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31) [It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Those who once faced with Him reject the crucified Messiah have even less hope of escaping judgment than those who under Moses committed sin with a high hand.

Thus this whole passage has in mind Jews who have been trusting in offerings for sin but have now been faced with the Messiah. To reject Him is to sin with a high hand and to undergo the wrath of God.

(It has no reference to current Christians who are fully trusting in Christ).
 
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is unforgivable !!!!

Plain and simple there is no forgiveness for this sin, or you make Jesus out to be lying to say it can be.

Those who claim it can be forgiven is been lead in that false teaching that this sin is simply unbelief, but I have been lead by the Holy Spirit that is not true as we would all then not receive eternal life for we all were once in unbelief.

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is speaking against and denying of His gifts and fruits working in and through us.
Apostle Paul gives a stern waning to believers to not grieve the Holy Spirit by returning to a deliberate sinful lifestyle.

The eternal life that Jesus is speaking on that we have right now in John is by the Holy Spirit abiding in us, not our own personal possession of it as Apostle John shows this clearly in his epistle 1 John 2-4. The eternal life is abiding in us by the Holy Spirit, it is not an actual physical possession as that is reserved in heaven for us (1 Peter 1:4-9).
 
I can just about agree with all you said. But with a little twist. The unpardonable sin was forgiven, however only once. If committed again there is no more sacrifice.
(Heb 10:26 [AKJV])
For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,

This is the mercy. All things in heaven and earth were reconciled to God.
(2Cor 5:19 [AKJV])
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, not imputing their trespasses to them; and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

This was the message of John the Baptist and that message was still preached after the death and resurrection.
And this is the very same message I preach today. This message is consistent with the entire scripture except for the teachings of modern Pharisaical christianity.

sorry your wrong, We are in a state of this sin at birth, and continue to be in this state until we repent, or forever. It is what separates us from God. because remember, Jesus paid for the rest of the sin. did he not?

not to mention. The pharisee commited it, Yet jesus said they were only in danger. When they claimed satan powered jesus, and gave satan credit for the work of the HS.
 
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is unforgivable !!!!

Plain and simple there is no forgiveness for this sin, or you make Jesus out to be lying to say it can be.

Those who claim it can be forgiven is been lead in that false teaching that this sin is simply unbelief, but I have been lead by the Holy Spirit that is not true as we would all then not receive eternal life for we all were once in unbelief.

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is speaking against and denying of His gifts and fruits working in and through us.
Apostle Paul gives a stern waning to believers to not grieve the Holy Spirit by returning to a deliberate sinful lifestyle.

The eternal life that Jesus is speaking on that we have right now in John is by the Holy Spirit abiding in us, not our own personal possession of it as Apostle John shows this clearly in his epistle 1 John 2-4. The eternal life is abiding in us by the Holy Spirit, it is not an actual physical possession as that is reserved in heaven for us (1 Peter 1:4-9).

No, Blasphemy of the HS is to call the HS a liar. and attribute his work to someone else.

Like some people do when they claim water baptism saves, or that they can save themselves.
 
I can just about agree with all you said. But with a little twist. The unpardonable sin was forgiven, however only once. If committed again there is no more sacrifice.


It is extraordinary how you odd bods who think that only you are right and everyone else is wrong immediately begin to twist Scripture. Jesus emphasised that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is an eternal sin. It HAS NO forgiveness, not even once.

(Heb 10:26 [AKJV])
For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,


This verse has NOTHING to do with the unpardonable sin. This is talking about wilful sins that could be forgiven under the Law by offering a sacrifice for sin. But now that Christ has come those offerings for sin have been rendered invalid. You err not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God.

This is the mercy. All things in heaven and earth were reconciled to God.

Nonsense, all things in heaven and earth are not reconciled to God. What is true is that through the sacrifice of Christ such reconciliation is possible for all men if they truly respond to Christ.


(2Cor 5:19 [AKJV])
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, not imputing their trespasses to them; and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.


God was in Christ at work on offering reconciliation to the world, if they responded to Him through true faith in Christ. If they did so respond He would not impute their trespasses to them. Thai is why we have the word of reconciliation, which is 'Be you reconciled to God.' It is an offered option

This was the message of John the Baptist and that message was still preached after the death and resurrection.
And this is the very same message I preach today. This message is consistent with the entire scripture except for the teachings of modern Pharisaical christianity.

Your message is contrary to the whole of Scripture, You select out and twist a few Scriptures, and ignore the remainder. It is not the message of John the Baptist. His message was that those who refused his message would be burned up like chaff.
 
sorry your wrong, We are in a state of this sin at birth, and continue to be in this state until we repent, or forever. It is what separates us from God. because remember, Jesus paid for the rest of the sin. did he not?

not to mention. The pharisee commited it, Yet jesus said they were only in danger. When they claimed satan powered jesus, and gave satan credit for the work of the HS.

(Heb 10:26 [AKJV])
For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,

(2Cor 5:19 [AKJV])
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, not imputing their trespasses to them; and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
So with what part of the verses do you disagree with??? "reconciling the world to himself" or "not imputing their trespasses to them" or "the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world".

There's nothing about repenting in any of that. Its all an act of God toward us, its about a Free Gift. Now there is a place for repentance, but not on God's part of reconciliation. The
reconciliation is done, but will we stay in it and that's where the repentance comes into play.
 
No, Blasphemy of the HS is to call the HS a liar. and attribute his work to someone else.

Like some people do when they claim water baptism saves, or that they can save themselves.


You show exactly what I mean as you try and water it down to simply lying to Him.
That however is not what Apostle Paul alluded to when he said we are not to grieve, deny Him, His gifts, or the fruits produced by Him in and through us.

The fruits of the Holy Spirit are emphasized by Jesus and all the Apostles in the bible for a reason, and that reason is because those fruits are proof that one is saved and without those fruits evident Jesus says they will be cut off and burned. Jesus and James both also show a hearer only but not a doer of the word is deceived and has no foundation of faith built on Him.
(Luke 6:46-49, Jame 1:19-27)

If you deny those fruits to act in your life and deny the gifts instead of pursue them then you are denying the Holy Spirit.

The fruits of the Spirit are the opposite of sin, for if you walk by those fruits you will not commit transgression !!!
 
This was the message of John the Baptist and that message was still preached after the death and resurrection.
And this is the very same message I preach today. This message is consistent with the entire scripture except for the teachings of modern Pharisaical christianity.
Jesus said, "For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."

He also said,
"This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."

What about what Jesus said? He said He gave His life for many. Is many all?
 
All of us have sinned wilfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth. So what is this verse telling us? It is saying that the Old Testament sacrifices for sin will no longer avail for us. the choice is Christ or judgment. (The words were written to Hebrews on the verge of converting to Christianity).



This is speaking of 'sins with a high hand', the sins for which there was no offering for sin, such as murder, adultery, kidnapping, bestiality and so on. For these there had never been a sacrifice for sin. Once committed there was no forgiveness. These dreadful sins are then compared with the heinous sin of rejecting the crucified Messiah.



Those who once faced with Him reject the crucified Messiah have even less hope of escaping judgment than those who under Moses committed sin with a high hand.

Thus this whole passage has in mind Jews who have been trusting in offerings for sin but have now been faced with the Messiah. To reject Him is to sin with a high hand and to undergo the wrath of God.

(It has no reference to current Christians who are fully trusting in Christ).

Let's take a look at the context and see Who is being spoken to:

Heb 10:19-26 (KJV)
19) Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
20) By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
21) And [having] an high priest over the house of God;
22) Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
23) Let us hold fast the profession of [our] faith without wavering; (for he [is] faithful that promised
24) And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
25) Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some [is]; but exhorting [one another]: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
26) For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,