Is the Prophet lying?
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Gr8grace
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The sin of unbelief is forgiven, but that does not change a corrupt rejecting heart. Hence, destruction.
but it says right here . . .
The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.
(Romans 6:10)
(Romans 6:10)
and right here, clarified . .
so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.
(Hebrews 9:28)
(Hebrews 9:28)
and here . .
But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.
(Hebrews 10:12-14)
(Hebrews 10:12-14)
. . . right?
this is why the only sin that is unpardonable is to reject the Holy Spirit & deny the free gift of salvation through the atonement of Christ's sacrifice. because the blood this perfect Lamb of God is able to, and was shed for, all sin - the water of life is for whosoever would come and drink it!
as for the lake of fire being a second chance - i donna wanna comment. i'm ignorant.
i don't think i believe in universal salvation, regardless of whether we place our trust in Jesus or not - He says there are those He never knew. but for anyone who would place there trust in Him? yes, He paid the penalty for every sin. let anyone who is thirsty, drink. the Spirit and the bride say "come"
you can call, you can lead a horse to water .. will it drink?
lol!! as i am typing a reply about a horse, you say " . . . "
yes indeed, we need to see someone about this horse!
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We are getting really close here. What keeps a heart rejecting Him?..............they will be judged for these deeds.
maybe i buy you lunch, but what if you won't eat it?
how does it find its way into your belly?
(Rev 22:17 [Mace])
the spirit and the bride say, come, let him that heareth, say, come, let him that is a-thirst, come: and whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Sorry Brother but the verse is to vague to say who its being spoken to. Let me say at the moment it appears vague. I have not really studied the totality of the verse.
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Don't get me wrong Brother. I believe in eternal death, and many will go to the LoF for eternity and be in anguish.
But why are they there? Christ paid for ALL sin and ALL sin is judged. So they are judged for something and it is not sin.........even unbelief.
What are they judged for?
Why did Lucifer reject God? No one knows why. People reject God for what ever their reasons. They place themselves in corruption. Anything which is not Love is corruption. The Love of God will destroy all corruption. Judging must be viewed as reward and not punishment. We are judged and given rewards according to our deeds per Jesus. God does not punish. To punish means vindictive.
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We know EXACTLY why Satan rejected God. That is obvious.
AND. I am done. Still only know 2 believers that know Christ paid for ALL sin................and there are still multitudes that are going to the LoF for eternity and are going to be in anguish forever.
But they will not burn forever. Here's the verse for satan.
(Ezek 28:18-19 [BBE])
By all your sin, even by your evil trading, you have made your holy places unclean; so I will make a fire come out from you, it will make a meal of you, and I will make you as dust on the earth before the eyes of all who see you. All who have knowledge of you among the peoples will be overcome with wonder at you: you have become a thing of fear, and you will never be seen again.
While Jesus sacrifice was for all sin, it doesn't mean everyone will accept it.
"Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out" (Acts 3:19).
"Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent" (Matthew 4:17).
"For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses" (Matthew 6:14-15).
Here we have 3 requirements for the remission of sin; Belief (convert), Repentance, and Forgiving others. Yes, the sacrifice of Jesus will take away all the sin of many, but its not unconditional. Any gift requires a receiver, and those who refuse to acknowledge Christ do not have their sins blotted out. His sacrifice is for all the sin of those who receive him as their personal savior. If a life jacket is thrown to a drowning man and he refuses to grab it, the life vest is not his savior.
"Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out" (Acts 3:19).
"Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent" (Matthew 4:17).
"For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses" (Matthew 6:14-15).
Here we have 3 requirements for the remission of sin; Belief (convert), Repentance, and Forgiving others. Yes, the sacrifice of Jesus will take away all the sin of many, but its not unconditional. Any gift requires a receiver, and those who refuse to acknowledge Christ do not have their sins blotted out. His sacrifice is for all the sin of those who receive him as their personal savior. If a life jacket is thrown to a drowning man and he refuses to grab it, the life vest is not his savior.
(Rev 20:14 [BBE])
And if anyone's name was not in the book of life, he went down into the sea of fire.
Interesting you mentioned that. I did a study on every mention of "Book" and found that everyone is written into the Book of Life from birth and then removed when they actively rejected God.
I truly do understand your answer and why you answer as you did. Many modern christians don't know it, but they are "Automated" to give responses without thinking. I used to be the same way. I was that way 30yrs and even taught my congregants the same message. We are taught from the beginning to ignore certain verses, because they go against what we were taught. I found this in myself and realized I was being blinded by the god of this world so that I could not see the Gospel of Christ. I was like Paul who was trained from a young age to have "Automated" responses which looked like they agreed with scripture, but in reality were the exact opposite. The teachings all sound correct, but they are based on false definitions. These false definitions lead to a logical conclusion, but unfortunately the wrong conclusion.
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So how much room for discussion does your conclusion leave?
God had many prophets...and yet most do not refer to John, the cousin of Jesus, as THE Prophet
In answering as you did, you basically invite a defensive position. I do not think your op warrants that.
In order to avoid confusion, or an automated response from you, I do not give automated answers, so discussion is available.
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