Is the Prophet lying?

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God offered His gift of grace (through Jesus and His sacrifice) to all people, but not everyone accepted/accepts it. Accepting God's grace is necessary to complete the transaction. And repenting, turning from sin and turning to Christ is important. Grace is God's undeserved love, but a relationship is reciprocal. It requires action from both parties. That's not works, that's God's grace.
 
Jesus answered and said unto them, "This is the work of God, that ye believe on Him Whom He hath sent."
 
KennethC said:
Well first we can not take one scripture and make it stand alone, we must go by the whole word of God;
Luke 13:3
I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.
2 Peter 1:9
But whoever does not have them is nearsighted and blind, forgetting that they have been cleansed from their past sins.
Romans 3:25
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
1 John 1:7-10

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.
8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.
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When John spoke those words those other words did not exist. If I'm listening to the prophets then I have to believe his words as spoken. His words say,"The lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world". I believe his words because I have no other words to believe. Thus the message is complete unless the prophet is lying or the Holy Spirit can't give a straight message or is incompetent. The prophets words stand as is and complete. This means the later narrative has been corrupted because it does not comply with the prophet.
 
For me, I still only know 2 other Christians that REALLY believe that Christ paid for all sin. And KNOW what unbelievers are judged for.

Why won't anyone answer this question? Doesn't matter if you believe purgatory, chastisement, annihilation or what ever.

If sin is paid for, what is the judgement from?
 
Willie-T said:
Are you my twin, separated at birth? LOL
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I know of no one who believes what I believe. But I know they had to be out there, because God does not leave the world without a witness. I also knew that if this revelation was real others would have it as well.
 
Gr8grace said:
And I see the LoF as an eternal judgement. But even if I look at like you do.


What is the chastisement for? He paid for all sin.
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What is any punishment for? It is to, hopefully, effect change. If the punishment is totally final, if you changed it would be a moot point.

We are really saying that God somehow derives satisfaction or pleasure to know that even if the punishment works, and someone comes to their senses, they still scream in agony for Eternity. All this is saying is that God gets off on us suffering.... and that goes completely against everything Jesus did and asked us to emulate Him in also doing. "Love your enemy"............ then we add....... "for now, but just as soon as we get the upper hand in death, beat them till they scream...... pay them back."
 
Willie-T said:
What is any punishment for? It is to, hopefully, effect change. If the punishment is totally final, if you changed it would be a moot point.

We are really saying that God somehow derives satisfaction or pleasure to know that even if the punishment works, and someone comes to their senses, they still scream in agony for Eternity. All this is saying is that God gets off on us suffering.... and that goes completely against everything Jesus did and asked us to emulate Him in also doing. "Love your enemy"............ then we add....... "for now, but just as soon as we get the upper hand in death, beat them till they scream...... pay them back."
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So what is the chastisement for? They are doing something wrong.
 
RussellJBenigno said:
I know of no one who believes what I believe. But I know they had to be out there, because God does not leave the world without a witness. I also knew that if this revelation was real others would have it as well.
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Have toy canvassed "everyone" yet? Perhaps they are right in your town, wondering why it is that they are the only ones who believe as they do.
 
Gr8grace said:
So what is the chastisement for? They are doing something wrong.
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Take a look at Rev. 22, in and around verse 17. Maybe I am seeing something not there, but I see The Bride and The Spirit offering an invitation.... "Come." To whom are they offering this invitation if the Bride, itself, is already the saved church? (The only ones who are supposed to get into Heaven.... with all the rest going to the LoF?)
 
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Gr8grace said:
For me, I still only know 2 other Christians that REALLY believe that Christ paid for all sin. And KNOW what unbelievers are judged for.
Why won't anyone answer this question? Doesn't matter if you believe purgatory, chastisement, annihilation or what ever.
If sin is paid for, what is the judgement from?
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The way I see it, as per Scripture, life is found in Jesus Christ and none other. Reject God's gift of grace through faith in Jesus Christ, and you have simply signed your death warrant and pass into the second death.

Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.
 
Willie-T said:
Take a look at Rev. 22, in and around verse 17. Maybe I am seeing something not there, but I see The Bride and The Spirit offering an invitation.... "Come." To whom are they offering this invitation if the Bride, itself, is already the saved church?
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To whosoever will.
 
Gr8grace said:
For me, I still only know 2 other Christians that REALLY believe that Christ paid for all sin. And KNOW what unbelievers are judged for.

Why won't anyone answer this question? Doesn't matter if you believe purgatory, chastisement, annihilation or what ever.

If sin is paid for, what is the judgement from?
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Grace I answered you. No one is paying for anything. Go back and find my post. Forgiveness and Salvation are not synonymous. You can be forgiven and still pay a price. A murder can be forgiven by the family of the one they murdered, but they will still pay the price. Jesus gives a good example in the Prodigal Son story. The son was forgiven while he was still in the pig pen. He did not receive salvation [deliverance] until he returned home. If he refused to return home he would have died in the pig pen even though he was forgiven. Those who are thrown in to the lake of fire are those who refused to return home even though they were forgiven. As I said they are loved and they are consumed by the purifying fire, because the fire burns all that's corrupt.
 
Magenta said:
To whosoever will.
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That's right.... and if the saved church is ALREADY dead, and raised, and in The New Jerusalem....... then who are they asking to now come? As I see it, it can only be people who did not accept Christ here on Earth while they were alive. And where ARE those people residing?
 
Willie-T said:
Take a look at Rev. 22, in and around verse 17. Maybe I am seeing something not there, but I see The Bride and The Spirit offering an invitation.... "Come." To whom are they offering this invitation if the Bride, itself, is already the saved church? (The only ones who are supposed to get into Heaven.... with all the rest going to the LoF?)
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If I am following you right. You say the LoF is chastisement so people have the chance to be saved.

Christ paid the full price for sin and even unbelief is a sin. What are they being chastised for? What deeds caused their chastisement, since ALL sin is paid for.......even unbelief?
 
Gr8grace said:
If I am following you right. You say the LoF is chastisement so people have the chance to be saved.

Christ paid the full price for sin and even unbelief is a sin. What are they being chastised for? What deeds caused their chastisement, since ALL sin is paid for.......even unbelief?
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Yes, it is already paid for..... but if they stubbornly continue in unbelief (and I believe SOME will, due to pride) it does not become their inheritance, even though all they would have to do is reach out and accept it.
 
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Gr8grace said:
If I am following you right. You say the LoF is chastisement so people have the chance to be saved.

Christ paid the full price for sin and even unbelief is a sin. What are they being chastised for? What deeds caused their chastisement, since ALL sin is paid for.......even unbelief?
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I don't believe "deeds" did, but simply unbelief...... the one unpardonable sin.
 
RussellJBenigno said:
Grace I answered you. No one is paying for anything. Go back and find my post. Forgiveness and Salvation are not synonymous. You can be forgiven and still pay a price. A murder can be forgiven by the family of the one they murdered, but they will still pay the price. Jesus gives a good example in the Prodigal Son story. The son was forgiven while he was still in the pig pen. He did not receive salvation [deliverance] until he returned home. If he refused to return home he would have died in the pig pen even though he was forgiven. Those who are thrown in to the lake of fire are those who refused to return home even though they were forgiven. As I said they are loved and they are consumed by the purifying fire, because the fire burns all that's corrupt.
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What is one paying the price for? Christ paid the price of the murders........sin.

The Prodigal son was saved.......even if he didn't return to his Father. He was a SON.
 
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