Question About Tongues
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Scripture teaches that three specific gifts have ended. Only three and any attempt to bring them back by attaching them to gifts that are still active is wrong.
Men speak confusion while God speaks with undeniable clarity. All men understand when God speaks. We all know who the author of confusion and delusion to be in the church.
The broad membership of the church could be unsaved having only attained an intellectual knowledge of Christ and never a genuine conversion unto eternal life. If the pulpits were faithful in preaching the word of God and less focused on entertainment perhaps things would change. Problem being that many preachers do not trust Gods word and use the methods of man to attract a crowd.
The real important issue is what spirit is at work in the church? Is the church influencing society or is society determining what the church shall do?
The parable of the sower gives insight into the different strata of believers. Only a small portion of the seed produces an hundred fold. What are we doing to advance the kingdom?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Men speak confusion while God speaks with undeniable clarity. All men understand when God speaks. We all know who the author of confusion and delusion to be in the church.
The broad membership of the church could be unsaved having only attained an intellectual knowledge of Christ and never a genuine conversion unto eternal life. If the pulpits were faithful in preaching the word of God and less focused on entertainment perhaps things would change. Problem being that many preachers do not trust Gods word and use the methods of man to attract a crowd.
The real important issue is what spirit is at work in the church? Is the church influencing society or is society determining what the church shall do?
The parable of the sower gives insight into the different strata of believers. Only a small portion of the seed produces an hundred fold. What are we doing to advance the kingdom?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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no...cessationists teach that...not scripture
speaking of confusion, you deny what scripture states and then say that people who speak in tongues do so by a demonic spirit...you did not say that in this thread, but you have said it
so really, you appear to just be unable to stand the thought of speaking in tongues and desire to rub it out apparently
The Holy Spirit will not operate outside of what scripture teaches. The Holy Spirit does not speak of Himself but only what He receives from the Father.
I have not found a single Pentecostal who claims to speak in tongues to do so within the confines of scripture. Since there are only two options and the Holy Spirit is excluded from non-biblical activities it only leaves one logical conclusion. There are simply too many logical and biblical evidences to accept that the modern tongues movement is of God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I have not found a single Pentecostal who claims to speak in tongues to do so within the confines of scripture. Since there are only two options and the Holy Spirit is excluded from non-biblical activities it only leaves one logical conclusion. There are simply too many logical and biblical evidences to accept that the modern tongues movement is of God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Well, excuse me, but who are you? I'm not Pentecostal but neither am I cessationist. It does not matter one iota what you have found
What matters, is what scripture states. Unbelief is unbelief whether it is in regard to Christ or what scripture says plainly and in many places in the NT
Listen, I had this discussion with you when I first joined...you are free to speak your opinion, but your opinion is not based on the Bible and certainly not under the direction of the Holy Spirit
So, no worries...I doubt anything will be forced on you, but the Bible is not a relationship...it is an introduction, a revelation, instructions and many other things
You have not met the One you say you believe in if you think people who genuinely speak in tongues do so by an evil spirit
You can resent it, you can malign it, you can besmirch believers, you can take out an add in the Washington Post....it doesn't matter
I and many many others will continue to pray as led by the Holy Spirit. It's one thing to state you don't think the gifts are for now, it is another thing to accuse believers of being taken over by demons when the Bible clearly states that tongues are from God
Frankly, it's just plain ridiculous to continue with such determination to stop something you cannot stop...the gifts began when the Holy Spirit descended...and they have never stopped
What matters, is what scripture states. Unbelief is unbelief whether it is in regard to Christ or what scripture says plainly and in many places in the NT
Listen, I had this discussion with you when I first joined...you are free to speak your opinion, but your opinion is not based on the Bible and certainly not under the direction of the Holy Spirit
So, no worries...I doubt anything will be forced on you, but the Bible is not a relationship...it is an introduction, a revelation, instructions and many other things
You have not met the One you say you believe in if you think people who genuinely speak in tongues do so by an evil spirit
You can resent it, you can malign it, you can besmirch believers, you can take out an add in the Washington Post....it doesn't matter
I and many many others will continue to pray as led by the Holy Spirit. It's one thing to state you don't think the gifts are for now, it is another thing to accuse believers of being taken over by demons when the Bible clearly states that tongues are from God
Frankly, it's just plain ridiculous to continue with such determination to stop something you cannot stop...the gifts began when the Holy Spirit descended...and they have never stopped
K
That is because Paul did not say they have ceased, this is a bad continuous misuse of 1 Corinthians 13:8-9.
That passage is talking about when those things are done without love they will fail and cease, not that they will no longer exist when the bible was formed.
That which is perfect comes is not in reference to the completed bible, it is when all things has been fulfilled, as there are still prophecies yet to be fulfilled. Even the bible says in the last days that there will still be those who prophesy (Acts 2:17, Joel 2:28-29, and Isaiah 44:3), and we even are given the 2 witnesses in the Tribulation that prophesy for 42 months.
Three passages in the bible that says prophesy will continue throughout the end times, so this clearly shows the misuse in that passage to say they ended/ceased !!!
That passage is talking about when those things are done without love they will fail and cease, not that they will no longer exist when the bible was formed.
That which is perfect comes is not in reference to the completed bible, it is when all things has been fulfilled, as there are still prophecies yet to be fulfilled. Even the bible says in the last days that there will still be those who prophesy (Acts 2:17, Joel 2:28-29, and Isaiah 44:3), and we even are given the 2 witnesses in the Tribulation that prophesy for 42 months.
Three passages in the bible that says prophesy will continue throughout the end times, so this clearly shows the misuse in that passage to say they ended/ceased !!!
Smarter people than me have presented you with scripture that proves you are in error. If you do not accept it from them, what good would my parroting it again do? You have been shown to live in darkness, you have been shown the light, and you have rejected it. My shining light on your darkness again isn't going to enlighten you any more than when a dozen other people have done so. The only thing new that I can add to the conversation is incredulity at how far off the mark you and many others have taken yourselves... and how resistant you are to Biblical truth.
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Really? What we believe about tongues is the difference between heaven and hell? Having the wrong opinion on it is the one unforgivable sin? Kind of gives pause to wonder exactly why I'm following God. I don't care about tongues enough to worry about it any more. It's not a deal breaker. It's certainly not blasphemy.