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#81
Matthew 21:11 the crowds answered " this is Jesus , the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee" they knew better
 

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#83
So you put words in His mouth. Hmmm. Somehow when you said:

"You are putting words in the mouth of Jesus ."

I thought you disapproved, but... obviously not. At least, it is okay for you to do so.

Do you think the religious leaders misunderstood when Jesus claimed to have been before Abraham, using the very name God had told Moses to use to identify Himself to His people?

"Very truly I tell you,"
Jesus answered,"before Abraham was born, I am!"

At this, they picked up stones to stone him... because they understood He had just equated Himself with God, even if you do not.

Jesus answered:"Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves."

But you do not believe...
 

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#84
Matthew 21:11 the crowds answered " this is Jesus , the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee" they knew better
Sorry, those are NOT the words of Jesus. In plain English I asked for His words.
 

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Luke 13:31-33; Matter 13:57
Luke 13:31-33, again, He is not saying I am a prophet; remember this is your very own standard. Matter 13:57 (?) same thing, not the right words again. According to you He should have very clearly articulated I AM A PROPHET if that is what He wanted us to believe.
 
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Luke 13:31-33, again, He is not saying I am a prophet; remember this is your very own standard. Matter 13:57 (?) same thing, not the right words again. According to you He should have very clearly articulated I AM A PROPHET if that is what He wanted us to believe.
Ok I said the context it is obvious he is speaking about himself. What about John 14:28 : for my Father is greater than I . Where does that leave Jesus equal to god? If he is not the only way would be a status like those before him Abraham , Moses and so on
 
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#87
I am just quoting. Of course before Abraham we all were there before we were created including satan. What is the big deal? Now Jesus spoke in parables even if the Jews equated him to god are we doing the same they were his enemies.did he accept that status or not ?
The words I speak to you I do not speak on my own authority? Whose then? If you work for a country and you are the ambassador your dealings are considered that of the country by which you were sent. You were given authority that is all.
 
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#88
If you deal with the ambassador it is as if you dealt with the country that sent him or its ruler.
 

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I am just quoting.
I have been quoting also, but you reject that which Scripture teaches.

Of course before Abraham we all were there before we were created including satan.
Scripture please, or is this more of your fanciful thinking? I think the latter.

What is the big deal? Now Jesus spoke in parables even if the Jews equated him to god are we doing the same they were his enemies.did he accept that status or not ? The words I speak to you I do not speak on my own authority? Whose then?
Satan's? Since no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit. The big deal is you are accursed for promoting a different gospel. His words' meaning is hidden from those who are perishing. Please read John chapter one, verse one. It makes it pretty clear Who Jesus is to those with eyes to see. Here, and then some:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

And the Word
(God) was made flesh, and dwelt among us... (John 1:14)

That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. (John 1:9-10)

You knoweth Him not. This might interest you:
http://www.gotquestions.org/is-Jesus-God.html
https://carm.org/bible-verses-show-jesus-divine


Do you think Jesus sinned to accept worship? They fell at his feet and worshiped him.

"In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed."

 
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I have been quoting also, but you reject that which Scripture teaches.

Scripture please, or is this more of your fanciful thinking? I think the latter.


Satan's? Since no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit. The big deal is you are accursed for promoting a different gospel. His words' meaning is hidden from those who are perishing. Please read John chapter one, verse one. It makes it pretty clear Who Jesus is to those with eyes to see. Here, and then some:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

And the Word
(God) was made flesh, and dwelt among us... (John 1:14)

That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. (John 1:9-10)

You knoweth Him not. This might interest you:
http://www.gotquestions.org/is-Jesus-God.html
https://carm.org/bible-verses-show-jesus-divine


Do you think Jesus sinned to accept worship? They fell at his feet and worshiped him.

"In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed."

i reject a contradictory statement to clear utterances of Jesus or logic reasoning , in regards the presence before Abraham etc... Of course all-knowing god knew whom he would create including Jesus . I too quoted many but they seem ignored. My father is greater than I ? Please do a deeper research on John 1:14 or listen to Bart D. Erhaman to get on which verses were interpolated to the bible. Having full authority given by God Almighty does not make god. And I am still waiting a clear statement without ambiguity where Jesus said I am god or worship me. As for they worshipped him this again my response:
And behold Jesus met them, saying: All hail. But they came up and took hold of his feet, and adored him. In one version the Douay-Rheims and in the Darby bible translation : And as they went to bring his disciples word, behold also, Jesus met them, saying, Hail! And they coming up took him by the feet, and did him homage. Now someone is translating differently each time, why? Besides what does worship mean? Showing respect ? Bowing down ? This was common in old times to even every ruler and king. Does this mean you see the people to whom you show respect as God? I do not think so.
 
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#91
Can you please define what a sin is so we can go from there? Tx
 
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#92
Reality and interpretation are two different things . Just because the Word is with a capital letter does not mean god as you stated. Or what the church is trying to teach.
 
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i reject a contradictory statement to clear utterances of Jesus or logic reasoning , in regards the presence before Abraham etc... Of course all-knowing god knew whom he would create including Jesus . I too quoted many but they seem ignored. My father is greater than I ? Please do a deeper research on John 1:14 or listen to Bart D. Erhaman to get on which verses were interpolated to the bible. Having full authority given by God Almighty does not make god. And I am still waiting a clear statement without ambiguity where Jesus said I am god or worship me. As for they worshipped him this again my response:
And behold Jesus met them, saying: All hail. But they came up and took hold of his feet, and adored him. In one version the Douay-Rheims and in the Darby bible translation : And as they went to bring his disciples word, behold also, Jesus met them, saying, Hail! And they coming up took him by the feet, and did him homage. Now someone is translating differently each time, why? Besides what does worship mean? Showing respect ? Bowing down ? This was common in old times to even every ruler and king. Does this mean you see the people to whom you show respect as God? I do not think so.
Besides John 4:24: God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth." God is spirit so Jesus was flesh ; if Jesus is an incarnation of God what difference does it make with Buddhism or Hinduism ?
 
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#94
Besides John 4:24: God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth." God is spirit so Jesus was flesh ; if Jesus is an incarnation of God what difference does it make with Buddhism or Hinduism ?
 
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My point is if he were god he would have said so and not leave ppl in confusion. The Jews wanted to kill him first because he spoke in parables second he threatened their worldly positions and gain. Can you show me where he equated himself to god ?
For 2,000 years billions of people know Jesus is Lord. No confusion there.
 
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Besides John 4:24: God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth." God is spirit so Jesus was flesh ; if Jesus is an incarnation of God what difference does it make with Buddhism or Hinduism ?
Jesus conquered death. That's the difference.
 
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#98
The problem would be greater when in the day of judgment you might not be saved. Imagine someone gives you a lift but instead of thanking the owner of the car you start kissing his car.

We should humble ourselves to the Lord and accept not what we have been taught rather follow the truth and seek it. Cozy feeling Hitler killed more than 20 000 000 but no problem Jesus paid for his sins. You have a headache and I take the pill. Open your hearts do as is your motto fear not; If you stand on firm grounds show me I am wrong.
 
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#99
what about the 4 billions left ; numbers are no reason
 
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if Jesus died it means he was overpowered by something stronger than him; how can he be god then ? The one who overcame him should be .