Obsession with Confession (1 John 1:9, sin confession)

[dcontroversal]

I have spoken directly multitudes of pastors and every single one of them bar one told me that one can be "saved and forgiven" whilst one willfully engages in wickedness (like pornography for example).

That alone demonstrates to me that the current state of the professing church is dire when the people who preach from the pulpits each Sunday actually believe that one can engage in willful wickedness and not be condemned. No wonder wickedness pervades the churches. Just today yet another pastor near where I live was indicted on child pornography charges.

You know dude....none of you who teach the loss of salvation by sin can accurately describe why GOD ONLY CHASTENS SONS who are SONS at the moment they are chastened.....WHY does GOD chasten his CHILDREN...because they are IN SIN, but are STILL his CHILD as he only whips SONS and if not chastened by GOD because of SIN you are NOT a SON, but a BASTARD..wake up man......

 

[Willie-T]

You know dude....none of you who teach the loss of salvation by sin can accurately describe why GOD ONLY CHASTENS SONS who are SONS at the moment they are chastened.....WHY does GOD chasten his CHILDREN...because they are IN SIN, but are STILL his CHILD as he only whips SONS and if not chastened by GOD because of SIN you are NOT a SON, but a BASTARD..wake up man......

Wow! Hard to squirm out from under THAT one.

 

[Skinski7]

I agree fully...they miss the fact that it is the spirit that has been born again...something BORN is alive the moment it is BORN....and to say you must work and or walk the line till your death to get it is a veiled form of works for salvation no matter how you slice and dice....

I'll put you on the spot dcontroversal as well seems that you responded with this accusation of "works for salvation."


Does a child molester have to stop engaging in the molestation of children BEFORE God will forgive them?

Does a child molester have to stop engaging in the molestation of children BEFORE reconciliation with God can take place?

What do you believe in regards to that question dcontroversal? Will you answer this question in a direct manner that we man discuss it, or will you run and hide?

 

[KennethC]

Look, your interpretation of what is said is flawed....the verses you quote cannot and do not trump and or over ride all of the verses that teach and give a PRESENT reality of salvation and eternal life....and your cut and paste of a Strong's concordance word does not make your view right...so, cut and paste and highlight all you want...it does not change the inspired verb tense and or the scriptures that discount your heretical interpretation...

They clearly show that immediate possession is a mental assurance or expectation, not a actual physical possession.

You want to stick to what you believe and that is fine even though Paul disagrees with your stance, as he constantly shows we hope (expect, confidence to receive) and seek for eternal life. We would not have to expect or seek to receive something we already have, but Apostle Paul says by faith we do !!!

 

[Skinski7]

You know dude....none of you who teach the loss of salvation by sin can accurately describe why GOD ONLY CHASTENS SONS who are SONS at the moment they are chastened.....WHY does GOD chasten his CHILDREN...because they are IN SIN, but are STILL his CHILD as he only whips SONS and if not chastened by GOD because of SIN you are NOT a SON, but a BASTARD..wake up man......

God chastens his children in regards to sins of ignorance, not outright rebellion. An individual in rebellion is not a child of God. The children of God WALK in accordance with the leading of God and that leading sometimes requires chastening. It is not hard to understand.

Now how about you answer my question instead of playing diversionary games by which you run and hide?

 

[Gr8grace]

Yeah, a lot of people honestly think it doesn't start until we die. So they are trying to make sure they earn admittance.

Its a lot like being in the airport and people watching. The ones who have their ticket stamped and approved are sitting in the lounge with a nice glass of merlot, casually conversing and content.

The people who are on stand-by are pacing, constantly checking the counter and are nervous.

Its the Hope that mailman brought up,some of us know that we have stamp of approval on our ticket. And some have an earthly hope.............they think they are on stand-by when they have a stamped and approved ticket.

The sad thing is.............some think they are on stand-by and really don't have a ticket.

 

[AceMichaels]

One is only a child of God if one is walking in righteousness according to the leading of the Spirit.

Jesus clearly taught...

Joh 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Joh 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

It is erroneous to believe that one can willfully engage in wickedness and be a true child of God.

He who sins is the servant of sin is what Jesus taught. Why? Because willful sinning is an act of the will and is an act of defiance to God. To willfully sin is to choose evil over good and the children of God simply do not choose evil over God because such a thing is abhorrent.


Yet in 2015 we are faced with a religion which poses as Christianity in which its adherents believe they can willfully choose to engage in evil and yet still claim to be children of God. These people believe in a salvation which leaves people wicked. What kind of salvation is that? What do these people think they are saved from what? Certainly not saved from sin and wickedness.

Salvation to them is merely a salvation from judgement not inward wickedness. Thus the inward wickedness still exists, yet because they perceive they reap no condemnation for it, clearly, the salvation they believe, is a license to engage in wickedness without condemnation.

What is the different between the Christian and the non-Christian to these people? The only real difference is that they think that their wickedness is covered by some provision they believe took place on the cross. Thus the Gospel to them is a cloak for wickedness once all the fluff is stripped away.





The children of God are born again of the Spirit and are inwardly transformed. The inward transformation necessitates outward holiness. Anyone walking according to the lusts of the flesh in rebellion to God and yet believes they are a child of God because they "believe in Jesus" is extremely deceived.

These people believe that all their sins have been forgiven, past, present and future. Where does the bible say future sins are already forgiven? If this is true, why do we continue to confess our sins? Doesn't make sense

 

[dcontroversal]

God chastens his children in regards to sins of ignorance, not outright rebellion. An individual in rebellion is not a child of God. The children of God WALK in accordance with the leading of God and that leading sometimes requires chastening. It is not hard to understand.

Now how about you answer my question instead of playing diversionary games by which you run and hide?

Sins of ignorance you say...that is hilarious......I suggest context pal....as God does not chasten Children who sin in ignorance, but rather those who rebel......and your run and hide statement was moronic MATE!

 

[Skinski7]

How about you BenFTW. I see you are reading the thread.

Let's not dance around strawman or rely on articles written by other people. Let's see if you will directly answer the following.


Does a child molester have to stop engaging in the molestation of children BEFORE God will forgive them?

Does a child molester have to stop engaging in the molestation of children BEFORE reconciliation with God can take place?

 

[Willie-T]

I'll put you on the spot dcontroversal as well seems that you responded with this accusation of "works for salvation."


Does a child molester have to stop engaging in the molestation of children BEFORE God will forgive them?

Does a child molester have to stop engaging in the molestation of children BEFORE reconciliation with God can take place?

What do you believe in regards to that question dcontroversal? Will you answer this question in a direct manner that we man discuss it, or will you run and hide?

The answer is NO. No more than anyone else engaged in ANY sin has to stop before they are forgiven

The people at the foot of the cross, howling for Jesus' death still went ahead and killed Him even though Jesus asked God to forgive then while they were actively engaged in the act of murder.

"WHILE we were YET sinners, God did what?"

 

[dcontroversal]

They clearly show that immediate possession is a mental assurance or expectation, not a actual physical possession.

You want to stick to what you believe and that is fine even though Paul disagrees with your stance, as he constantly shows we hope (expect, confidence to receive) and seek for eternal life. We would not have to expect or seek to receive something we already have, but Apostle Paul says by faith we do !!!

Keep rejecting and working your way Kenneth...your view totally rejects being BORN again and the SPIRIT being BORN again and having the ability to spiritually discern the word...tragic, by your own words you prove you are still dead!

 

[BenFTW]

These people believe that all their sins have been forgiven, past, present and future. Where does the bible say future sins are already forgiven? If this is true, why do we continue to confess our sins? Doesn't make sense

Someone didn't read the original post...

 

[Skinski7]

These people believe that all their sins have been forgiven, past, present and future. Where does the bible say future sins are already forgiven? If this is true, why do we continue to confess our sins? Doesn't make sense

Future sins are not forgiven. Such a contention is absurd nonsense. These people are wolves who argue in favour of being able to serve Satan without being under condemnation.

The confession of sins is for sins of ignorance. WIllful sin reveals are heart issue that can only be remedied through godly sorrow working a repentance unto salvation by which the we enter into the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ (an abiding state with Jesus Christ).

 

[KennethC]

You know dude....none of you who teach the loss of salvation by sin can accurately describe why GOD ONLY CHASTENS SONS who are SONS at the moment they are chastened.....WHY does GOD chasten his CHILDREN...because they are IN SIN, but are STILL his CHILD as he only whips SONS and if not chastened by GOD because of SIN you are NOT a SON, but a BASTARD..wake up man......

Wrong we have answered this multiple times, He chastises us for correction.

But the scriptures show that some will not obey that chastising and will become accursed children and fall back to perdition.
(Hebrews 10:39)

2 Peter 2:14
Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices;and are accursed children:

 

[dcontroversal]

I'll put you on the spot dcontroversal as well seems that you responded with this accusation of "works for salvation."


Does a child molester have to stop engaging in the molestation of children BEFORE God will forgive them?

Does a child molester have to stop engaging in the molestation of children BEFORE reconciliation with God can take place?

What do you believe in regards to that question dcontroversal? Will you answer this question in a direct manner that we man discuss it, or will you run and hide?

The answer is clear.....

Where SIN abounds, GRACE did much more ABOUND.........

 

[Willie-T]

Skin,
You are trying to relate supernatural things to your own limited human understanding. That will never work.

 

[dcontroversal]

Wrong we have answered this multiple times, He chastises us for correction.

But the scriptures show that some will not obey that chastising and will become accursed children and fall back to perdition.
(Hebrews 10:39)

2 Peter 2:14
Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices;and are accursed children:

2nd Peter has nothing to do with God only whipping SONS who are in sin.....your diversionary tactics will not work on people who see through your charade pal!

 

[VioletReigns]

I agree with this. Salvation comes at the end of life (physical life)

Well that's real good news. Because my physical life ended on the cross with Christ.

"I am crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live, yet not I but Christ who lives in me. And the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God who loves me and gave Himself for me."

God's Kingdom has already come on earth as it is in heaven.

 

[dcontroversal]

Future sins are not forgiven. Such a contention is absurd nonsense. These people are wolves who argue in favour of being able to serve Satan without being under condemnation.

The confession of sins is for sins of ignorance. WIllful sin reveals are heart issue that can only be remedied through godly sorrow working a repentance unto salvation by which the we enter into the Spirit of life in Jesus Christ (an abiding state with Jesus Christ).

There is no condemnation to those who have actually trusted into Christ...can you read John 3:36.......maybe you like to place yourself under the condemnation of God, but my bible teaches the grace of God out bounding my sin MATE!

 

[KennethC]

Keep rejecting and working your way Kenneth...your view totally rejects being BORN again and the SPIRIT being BORN again and having the ability to spiritually discern the word...tragic, by your own words you prove you are still dead!

No my way sides with what Apostle Paul said in those multiple scriptures, you are the one who is rejecting what Paul said.

If you are truly born again in the Holy Spirit your actions, speech, and treatment of others would reflect that.

You call me dead in the faith when you are the one who uses the most unedifying and condemning speech toward others on this site. There is only one other person I have seen be more negative toward others then you, and I don't even speak to them any more and have them on ignore.

I only took you off ignore because at times we can have respectful debates, but at other times you let your emotions get the best of you and go off on a binder of unedifying treatment of others.

Dead faith means your actions do not show your faith is true !!!