Is the Devil bound right now...?
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I was going to say that! Is certainly one way of relating to it.
Some might call it a subpoena.
But that only includes people from Brooklyn and Chicago.
Seriously though, we know that he is not bound by no means for he walks around like a roaring lion 1 Peter 5:8. But also because one only has to take a look at the world or watch the news on TV for one day to know that he is in the world. John in John 14:30 has called him the prince of this world.
Also as you wanted some scripture, do remember Job 1:7 where God asked Satan Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
He is not bound by no means in that he can move around, unlike God, he can only be in one place at one time. But he is a little restricted still, he still has to seek permission from God for somethings which I believe Job 1:7 is for to let us know that.
Some might call it a subpoena.
But that only includes people from Brooklyn and Chicago.
Seriously though, we know that he is not bound by no means for he walks around like a roaring lion 1 Peter 5:8. But also because one only has to take a look at the world or watch the news on TV for one day to know that he is in the world. John in John 14:30 has called him the prince of this world.
Also as you wanted some scripture, do remember Job 1:7 where God asked Satan Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
He is not bound by no means in that he can move around, unlike God, he can only be in one place at one time. But he is a little restricted still, he still has to seek permission from God for somethings which I believe Job 1:7 is for to let us know that.
The one-hit-wonder verse of 1 Peter 5.8 does NOT refer to Satan, as it lacks the Greek article, and the description matches the demons NOT Satan.
As far as Job...that was in the OT BEFORE being bound at The Cross..
R
So what are you saying then? That Satan is bound but his demons are not?
Right, but there was the Holy War in Heaven where Satan was first cast from Heaven and he was already loose upon the world before Jesus' birth and crucifixion on the cross anyway.. Jesus' crucifixion only set in stone that which was set to happen from the beginning of time anyway. It probably wasn't one of Satan's best days when He rose again from the dead 3 days later. But it never changed Satan's specific circumstances at that time or time of His immaculation or demise. He was still prince of the world, he still caused/causes death and destruction in the world to this day, for his only will is to steal, kill and destroy the works of God as much as he can in his time.
Believe that He DOES walk wherever he wants to in the world in spiritual form for he is spirit too. Believe he looks for people that look for him (witch craft/demonism/black arts/voodoo even) even things like Scientology or other cults or occults from the small to the large even behind corrupt politicians and world leaders and you better well believe it!!
And believe that he is smart. With superior intelligence than us. For he was one of the most intelligent of all angels before his fall. He is a great magician! He is a deceiver the great deceiver the father of lies. In fact you have probably heard that his greatest trick is to convince the world that he doesn't exist and he manages to do this pretty well just mainly by manipulating peoples own naivety and ignorance pretty well.
Yes! He actively looks for these types of people! He walks down the street and he sees a drunk homeless man and he thinks, I have already destroyed his life and moves on to find another host. He see's a healthy God fearing man and tries to find ways to "latch on" to him or his family with only one main motive/reason for it and that is to steal, kill and destroy! He literally works hard to do this that is how much he rages inside and you can believe that too! I can give many examples to you if you are a Godly man of knowledge you will know this too. You might even agree with me if I was to say that things like Harry Potter, Lord of The Rings, or programs like Buffy (old I know) or Charmed? "desensitize" these black arts and dark practices to kids and make them look "pretty" and fun and powerful to use and it gets kids doing that that have no knowledge about Christ or why we are here in the first place! Would you somewhat agree with that? We see it happening, call me crazy but aren't more and more schools dropping Bible study now and replacing with other religions?
The world would laugh at me saying this and brand me crazy or insane. The same world that makes you swear an oath on the bible in a court of law and a state who's motto is "In God we Trust". Yet they don't believe how real Satan is and how much effect it has/has/is having on the world, we claim we shun evil but we don't believe it exists say the people and blame it the person who committed the sin not the one that caused him to sin in the first place. But that's for another day.
God bless.
Right, but there was the Holy War in Heaven where Satan was first cast from Heaven and he was already loose upon the world before Jesus' birth and crucifixion on the cross anyway.. Jesus' crucifixion only set in stone that which was set to happen from the beginning of time anyway. It probably wasn't one of Satan's best days when He rose again from the dead 3 days later. But it never changed Satan's specific circumstances at that time or time of His immaculation or demise. He was still prince of the world, he still caused/causes death and destruction in the world to this day, for his only will is to steal, kill and destroy the works of God as much as he can in his time.
Believe that He DOES walk wherever he wants to in the world in spiritual form for he is spirit too. Believe he looks for people that look for him (witch craft/demonism/black arts/voodoo even) even things like Scientology or other cults or occults from the small to the large even behind corrupt politicians and world leaders and you better well believe it!!
And believe that he is smart. With superior intelligence than us. For he was one of the most intelligent of all angels before his fall. He is a great magician! He is a deceiver the great deceiver the father of lies. In fact you have probably heard that his greatest trick is to convince the world that he doesn't exist and he manages to do this pretty well just mainly by manipulating peoples own naivety and ignorance pretty well.
Yes! He actively looks for these types of people! He walks down the street and he sees a drunk homeless man and he thinks, I have already destroyed his life and moves on to find another host. He see's a healthy God fearing man and tries to find ways to "latch on" to him or his family with only one main motive/reason for it and that is to steal, kill and destroy! He literally works hard to do this that is how much he rages inside and you can believe that too! I can give many examples to you if you are a Godly man of knowledge you will know this too. You might even agree with me if I was to say that things like Harry Potter, Lord of The Rings, or programs like Buffy (old I know) or Charmed? "desensitize" these black arts and dark practices to kids and make them look "pretty" and fun and powerful to use and it gets kids doing that that have no knowledge about Christ or why we are here in the first place! Would you somewhat agree with that? We see it happening, call me crazy but aren't more and more schools dropping Bible study now and replacing with other religions?
The world would laugh at me saying this and brand me crazy or insane. The same world that makes you swear an oath on the bible in a court of law and a state who's motto is "In God we Trust". Yet they don't believe how real Satan is and how much effect it has/has/is having on the world, we claim we shun evil but we don't believe it exists say the people and blame it the person who committed the sin not the one that caused him to sin in the first place. But that's for another day.
God bless.
Correct.
That is what scripture states...
Satan was free to roam the earth up until Jesus' death - then he was rendered impotent according to scripture.
The evil that we see in the world today is because of the demons which are still allowed to roam the earth.
There's 200,000,000 of them according to Revelation...so what would we expect...?
The Devil possessed people before Jesus death - but not afterward.
Thus, the Devil has been bound.
That is what scripture states...
Satan was free to roam the earth up until Jesus' death - then he was rendered impotent according to scripture.
The evil that we see in the world today is because of the demons which are still allowed to roam the earth.
There's 200,000,000 of them according to Revelation...so what would we expect...?
The Devil possessed people before Jesus death - but not afterward.
Thus, the Devil has been bound.
J
I know this to be true. During the foolish, idiotic years in which I struggled with drug abuse, I saw them on one account. I saw them, and I knew instantly what they were. The intense feeling of hatred, of malice, of sick intent. They tried to get into my head, but I refused them. After that, I swore off taking that stuff. It was opening doors that should never, ever, ever be opened.
They're not red, horned looking creatures. It's hard to describe, but I can do my best if anyone wants to know.
They're not red, horned looking creatures. It's hard to describe, but I can do my best if anyone wants to know.
J
I'm interested....
I could chalk the experience up to being a fool, having taken drugs, but it was so real seeming. I saw them, and they saw me. And they spoke. Not with their mouthes, but in thought. Horrible, terrifying, rational, convincing thought.
That may have more meanings to it, but you are right that he can do things like torment. And he seems to be doing a lot of that lately. You statement that he needs to get permission from God to do certain things, like torment, does seem to be a hidden theme of Job. And the statement 'to and fro' is used a lot of times in the Bible. For example,
Isa_24:20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.
The statement 'to and fro' is never used in a good sense in the Bible. When you think about it meaning 'being bound,' some interesting meanings come up. But, being bound to what? That brings up another verse.
Dan_12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
I believe Satan is bound by the knowledge of him. What is that knowledge?
Eph_4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Like I said, there may be more meaning to it.
Isa_24:20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.
The statement 'to and fro' is never used in a good sense in the Bible. When you think about it meaning 'being bound,' some interesting meanings come up. But, being bound to what? That brings up another verse.
Dan_12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
I believe Satan is bound by the knowledge of him. What is that knowledge?
Eph_4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Like I said, there may be more meaning to it.
Very interesting, Jack.
I have heard other people encountering demons with similar descriptions. Surprisingly, this seems to fit with the so-called 'UFO' encounters that some people claim to have had. Rather than aliens from another planet, and outright fakes as some are, some of these are most likely real demon possessions...as the encounters are always negative.
I have heard other people encountering demons with similar descriptions. Surprisingly, this seems to fit with the so-called 'UFO' encounters that some people claim to have had. Rather than aliens from another planet, and outright fakes as some are, some of these are most likely real demon possessions...as the encounters are always negative.
Because scripture separates and orders them - have you already forgotten YOUR 1 Cor 15 example...?
But now Christ has been raised from the dead; He became the firstfruit of those having fallen asleep. For since death is through man, also through a Man is a resurrection of the dead; for as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ, the firstfruit; afterward those of Christ at His coming. Then the end, after He delivers the kingdom to The God and Father, after He might render entirely idle (katargēsē) all rule and all authority and power. For it is right for Him to reign until He puts all the hostile ones under His feet; the last hostile thing made to cease is death.
You still have not yet answered the question.
Do you agree with this statement?
'You agree that Satan was bound at The Cross and rendered impotent, but NOT defeated.'
Yes....or....No...?
But now Christ has been raised from the dead; He became the firstfruit of those having fallen asleep. For since death is through man, also through a Man is a resurrection of the dead; for as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ, the firstfruit; afterward those of Christ at His coming. Then the end, after He delivers the kingdom to The God and Father, after He might render entirely idle (katargēsē) all rule and all authority and power. For it is right for Him to reign until He puts all the hostile ones under His feet; the last hostile thing made to cease is death.
You still have not yet answered the question.
Do you agree with this statement?
'You agree that Satan was bound at The Cross and rendered impotent, but NOT defeated.'
Yes....or....No...?
The last Biblical account of Satan possessing anyone was at Jesus' last supper...
And after the morsel, then Satan entered into that one. Then Jesus said to him, What you do, do quickly. (John 13.27)
Satan being bound at Jesus' crucifixion...
Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world shall be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, I will draw all to Myself. But He said this, signifying by what kind of death He was about to die. (John 12.31 - 33)
A simple search of NT scriptures AFTER Jesus' death upon the Cross, shows that no one is possessed by The Devil...but only by demons.
Thus....it is quite clear that Satan is bound and his demons are not...even to this very day...
How many times must I say that I agree with you to the point you make. However, there is no point or purpose that is accomplished ONLY by Christ's death. You have not shown any. If Christ only died, Satan cannot be bound. Christ would become the victim of death and Satan would be the victor and we all would still be condemned to death.
So, we are right back to your details as to just what death only would have accomplished.