Rich and Famous Pastors

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pottersclay

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I think they market Jesus for gain. The tickling of the ears goes far these days. They preach the story but not the Christ,his ways but not his heart. The feel good gospel,not words of truth and light.
When the true word is spoke it changes people, it gives hope to the lowly, it humbles the proud, it heals the broken hearted, it convicts the prideful, it edify and strengthens the believer and they go praising God not the preacher.
 
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Patnubay said:
I am worried that I am starting to feel contempt towards these rich and famous pastors of our time ( Joel Osteen, Benny Hinn, Bishop Jakes, Joseph Prince, Creflo Dollar, Joyce Meyer and others.

These are my reasons:

1. I feel they are taking advantage of the people trying to find God.
2. I find their lifestyle of mansions, jets and luxury thru income source using the word "God" disgusting.
3. I notice that they have turned into motivational speakers and no longer deliverers of the "Word" of God.

however, I have to acknowledge that

1. Thru them as instruments, people are finding God
2. Thru them as instruments, people are inspired to serve God
3. Thru them as instruments, people are hearing the Word of God.

I'd like to know your opinion..
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I haven't heard much of those guys, but Joel Osteen I've heard of, and I've heard some of his messages. Joel Osteen is more of a motivational speaker, or at least thats what I see out of his messages. On top of that, I don't know if he really knows scripture that well, I'll try and find the teaching he was doing, but in the teach Osteen said that God got upset with Moses and then stated God was comparing Moses to King David and King Solomon, who were not even in existence at this point.

But overall that's not my point. I was listening to someone who was talking about all these "Mega" Churches, and a lot of them don't even get out the message of salvation. A lot of them teach how to live successful and prosperous lives (which theres nothing wrong with that), but what the guy who was talking about the mega churches was stating what about the few people, who are not saved that come in to listen to something to motivate them in the ways of salvation. People in that condition are not getting the message that needs to be heard.

With that, I kind of share the same opinion as that.
If someone built up a mega church, that is a lot of work, and it's all wonderful and great. But only as long as they're getting the message of the good word out. Otherwise it's just a wolf leading sheep astray.

And again, my opinions on this are just based off of Joel Osteen's teachings, which are not creditable in my opinion, he's just a motivational speaking twisting scripture to support his motivation.
 
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shotgunner

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Biblelogic01 said:
I haven't heard much of those guys, but Joel Osteen I've heard of, and I've heard some of his messages. Joel Osteen is more of a motivational speaker, or at least thats what I see out of his messages. On top of that, I don't know if he really knows scripture that well, I'll try and find the teaching he was doing, but in the teach Osteen said that God got upset with Moses and then stated God was comparing Moses to King David and King Solomon, who were not even in existence at this point.

But overall that's not my point. I was listening to someone who was talking about all these "Mega" Churches, and a lot of them don't even get out the message of salvation. A lot of them teach how to live successful and prosperous lives (which theres nothing wrong with that), but what the guy who was talking about the mega churches was stating what about the few people, who are not saved that come in to listen to something to motivate them in the ways of salvation. People in that condition are not getting the message that needs to be heard.

With that, I kind of share the same opinion as that.
If someone built up a mega church, that is a lot of work, and it's all wonderful and great. But only as long as they're getting the message of the good word out. Otherwise it's just a wolf leading sheep astray.

And again, my opinions on this are just based off of Joel Osteen's teachings, which are not creditable in my opinion, he's just a motivational speaking twisting scripture to support his motivation.
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The way I look at it is that God gives different messages to different people. Isn't it just possible the Joel is giving exactly the message God wants him to deliver. I've only heard him a couple times but I couldn't disagree with anything he says. He may only talk about how good God is but doesn't Romans 2:4 tell is that it is the goodness of God that leads men to repentance?

I don't think you are advocating hellfire and brimstone preaching but personally I experienced too much of that growing up. The whole message was geared to make you fear hell and death so much as to repent because you might not get another chance. That may be something that needs to be known but not the same yelling and slobbering sermon every Sunday with the same 6 people getting saved every Sunday. All that ever did was to keep us scared and ignorant of how to live this Christian life. Sometimes you need to know the Word, know how to believe God as your supply, and how to rest in your salvation.
 
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I am completely against these so-called Health and Wealth preachers, or Word of Faith.

They are not preaching the gospel. They lie about Jesus, about how we will become little gods, and we need to appropriate our rights as children of the king.

They twist Scriptures to imply OUR words have power, when in fact it is God's words that have power. They have usurped the power and authority of Jesus Christ.

You are right to be uneasy about these charlatans. They have no god but money, and they get it by lying to people. Telling them they will be rich if they send in seed money (find that in the Bible!) and you will be healthy, if you just have faith and confess it.

God is the one we need to focus on, and serving him and growing to maturity. I pray people will not be sidetracked from that purpose, if they get caught listening to the lies these false preachers have been telling!
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I agree completely! People should have learned with Jim Baker but that son of a gun is back on TV
 
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Who said anything about hate? I didn't say I hate him. I said I disagree with him. He doesn't teach salvation.
 
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Willie-T said:
I can understand people thinking others are required to preach what THEY think they should be preaching. But I don't understand hating someone for having money. Especially when they get it mainly from their own work as Osteen does.

IMHO, a lot of people should read this, and then just shut up.

Televangelist Joel Osteen shuns lavish lifestyle, visits Orlando today and Friday - tribunedigital-orlandosentinel
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Good article Willie-T. Again just goes to show how judging people rots. Many have such a disdain for Joel Osteen for reasons they thought or heard or assumed about him. And as insane as it is, many people don't like to see a man smile so much. :D Keep smiling Joel, God loves you!!
 
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Biblelogic01

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And on top of that he has scripture all mixed up. Anyone who mixes up scripture is a wolf in sheeps clothing.
 
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pottersclay

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Osteen said there are many roads to God. That right there shut me down on him.
In my point of view a mega church is a greedy church, it shouldn't be but that's my opinion.
To many diversity in a mega church, how can one pastor handle all, even Moses delegated . I believe that if you come to hear the preacher and him only will you listen to " somethings wrong".Money is a issue on many levels and regardless of one might say, it changes people. You cannot serve God and mammom. I bet Osteen teeth cost more than my truck. Anyways
As I posted earlier did they come for the word or for the preacher.
 
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pottersclay said:
Osteen said there are many roads to God. That right there shut me down on him.
In my point of view a mega church is a greedy church, it shouldn't be but that's my opinion.
To many diversity in a mega church, how can one pastor handle all, even Moses delegated . I believe that if you come to hear the preacher and him only will you listen to " somethings wrong".Money is a issue on many levels and regardless of one might say, it changes people. You cannot serve God and mammom. I bet Osteen teeth cost more than my truck. Anyways
As I posted earlier did they come for the word or for the preacher.
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No, you just heard what you wanted to hear. He was being set-up and lured into hopefully alienating 90% of the world. The Godless talk show people work Satan's agenda well.

What he was saying is that Jesus will call people from all walks of life and all religions.... even if no one has told them how to pronounce His name in our language.
 
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ladylynn said:
Good article Willie-T. Again just goes to show how judging people rots. Many have such a disdain for Joel Osteen for reasons they thought or heard or assumed about him. And as insane as it is, many people don't like to see a man smile so much. :D Keep smiling Joel, God loves you!!
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That article is an old article from 2007 as Osteen no longer lives in that house that he got from his dad.
He now lives in a 17,000 sg. ft. house worth over 10.5 million dollars.
 
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Biblelogic01

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Willie-T said:
FYI...... THIS is the "hating" you claim you don't do.
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Didn't know that disagreement on something is hating.
I disagree with Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Catholics, etc. Doesn't mean I hate them.
 
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KennethC said:
That article is an old article from 2007 as Osteen no longer lives in that house that he got from his dad.
He now lives in a 17,000 sg. ft. house worth over 10.5 million dollars.
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Good for him! Oh, wait... where's that article?
 
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KennethC said:
That article is an old article from 2007 as Osteen no longer lives in that house that he got from his dad.
He now lives in a 17,000 sg. ft. house worth over 10.5 million dollars.
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Doesn't he have the right to spend his own money from book sales any way he pleases, as long as he honors God and puts him first?

You can't say that he doesn't honor God simply because he has a lot of money. If that were the case, Abraham , David, Solomon, and Joseph were rebels that only wanted a lot of money.
 
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Biblelogic01

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Stating that someone who mixes up scripture isn't hating either. . . . If I recall Jesus called a lot of the religous leaders at His time for twisting God's word to make themselves more righteous. So based off that definition of hating, Jesus would have been hating on the religious leaders at the time. . . . . I don't think that's the case, but Jesus was calling them out on what they were doing wrong.

Osteen is not calling himself more righteous than others, but he also isn't teach a scriptural message either. He is a motivational speaker, and he's good motivational speaker. He helps people get up when they're down, and he makes them feel good. But that is not the message of the gospel, nor does teaching "feel good" lead to salvation.

Osteen isn't going to lead someone to repentence, instead he's going to try and make someone feel ultra good and guilty free which would in turn, make that person turn back to a sinful life.
 
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Willie-T said:
Well, you believe the lie that God personally punished Jesus, don't you?
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What are you suggesting here, that God didn't personally pour out every bit of His righteous wrath on Jesus? That is EXACTLY what He did, He forsook Him on that cross so that we could be made clean, that's the ultimate expression of His love for us. Are you saying God didn't pour out the wrath we deserved on His only Son? I sure hope I'm misunderstanding something here, because if He didn't we are all in trouble. You don't really think the cup that Jesus was praying to be passed if possible, or reason He was sweating blood over was in fear of what us men were going to do to Him do you?
 
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Jenizona said:
Good for him! Oh, wait... where's that article?
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shotgunner said:
Doesn't he have the right to spend his own money from book sales any way he pleases, as long as he honors God and puts him first?

You can't say that he doesn't honor God simply because he has a lot of money. If that were the case, Abraham , David, Solomon, and Joseph were rebels that only wanted a lot of money.
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Good for him when he could live in that same house he lived in for 13 years his dad gave him and still be fine, or if he wanted another house he could have got one around $100,000 or less and used that extra money to help others ???

As for you shotgunner like I have said before it is not wrong to have money, what is wrong is what one does with that money.

You speak about honoring God, well according to the word of God He would be honoring God if the majority of his money went to helping others then mainly edifying himself.

The word of God says it is harder or more difficult for a rich person to go to heaven then any other person, or do you think Jesus and Paul lied when they said and showed this ???
 
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KennethC said:
That article is an old article from 2007 as Osteen no longer lives in that house that he got from his dad.
He now lives in a 17,000 sg. ft. house worth over 10.5 million dollars.
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oh wow Joel has moved since then!!!!!???? He has the nerve to move into a different house AND one that is even bigger!!!!! and cost more!!!

Seriously? The man works and sells his work and makes a living and he isn't allowed to buy a house you or I can't afford? By your definition we are not allowed to go over a specific criteria that you or someone else deems "too" costly for a house. lets take this to more extremes., what about the furniture his wife picked out? what about the linens on the bed...what about the food they eat? what about the value of the socks they wear and the ties he wears for work., and the suits he wears and the shoes he and his family buy, and the curtains they have and the carpet, and the toilet paper....does he get Charmin (the expensive brands) do they get to buy high end shampoos and body lotions and perfumes.., what kind of tv and stereo equipment do they have...

I just bought a pair of Clarks shoes for work because I'm on my feet a lot during the day and they are soooooooooooooo comfortable and allow me to work better when my feet don't hurt. They cost $80 and many people would say that is way too expensive for shoes. But they don't know my feet., they don't know my job and my life. I'm blessed to be able to buy expensive shoes and they are absolutely 99% better and different than my usual shoes. Only I know my motivation for buying them before God. Not those who see my shoes and me wearing them. Joel has the same right to buy what he wants for reasons only he knows.
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