Is the Devil bound right now...?

[Cassian]

Providing a name and a number and then giving your own unreferenced commentary without so much as posting the actual verse so that it can speak for itself.....is...just plain ludicrous.

only if one does not have a Bible. Is that your problem? Aside from that, one needs to look it up anyway for context. A problem you have with Heb 2:14-15.

That is why you will forever be asking me what it means, as I provide referenced exegesis for the scripture that I post...

so you posted one verse, Heb 2:14, translated it, and then dropped it. You still have not given your understanding of what it means.

You have missed another opportunity and all you did was post nonsubstantive comments that are irrelevant to the topic.

 

[gkroo]

Neither of your 2 arguments are valid!

 

[gkroo]

To understand death and resurrection one must know that there are two deaths and two resurrections that are aligned with each other. When scripture is speaking of the first resurrection that is the spiritual resurrection of every believer. This occurs at baptism. Rom 6 is the baptism chapter. The reference in Rev 20:5 is addressing believers. Since they have experienced the spiritual resurrection they are not subject to the second death which is a spiritual death.
You understand you cannot blame your father for your sins. The commandment says 'the sins of the father are visited unto the 2nd and of the 3rd generation, and Adam was not killed, he was cast from the garden. He died and was not resurrected save through Noah. But Noah cursed a third of the generations by cursing Ham making him a servant of servants. We do not all die, we have not all died. The Bible tells you that. We do fall into sin, but there is a sin unto death. The resurrection of the dead are only for those who have died for the testimony of Christ. The ones who remain are judged according to what is written in the book of life.
The first death is man's condemnation to death through Adam. We will all die once to rid ourselves of this body of sin so that we might be raised, the second, physical resurrection at the end of time. Rev 20-21 is a summation of the time between the advents of Christ. The first 3-4 verses deals with Christ coming, defeating death, binding Satan. The church is being called out and then the end, the resurrection of the dead, the judgement and then the New Heaven and the New Earth. The end is the consummation of His Resurrection of reconciling the world back to God.

There is no scripture to back that up so it is a lie.

 

[Bowman]

There is no second resurrection.

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

There is a First Resurrection and a Second Resurrection.

The First Resurrection is for the Righteous - and they are NOT judged.

The Second Resurrection is for the unrighteous -and they ARE judged.

Simple Biblical truth...

 

[Bowman]

The abyss refers to the hearts of those who have rejected God.

What scripture states this...?

 

[Bowman]

The result of Adam's sin was death, physical death, mortality, Gen 3:19, Rom 5:12 reiterates that condemnation and the following verses explains just how Christ overcame death, the power of Satan.

Nope.

Let me guess...you also believe that the earth is only 6K years old, right?

Physical death was in the world long before Adam sinned...thus, this can only be referring to Spiritual death.

You got it backwards.....again...

 

[Bowman]

There is no second resurrection.

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming in which all those in the tombs will hear His voice. And they will come out, the ones having practiced good into a resurrection of life; the ones having done evil into a resurrection of judgment. (John 5.28 – 29)

 

[Cassian]

Nope.

Let me guess...you also believe that the earth is only 6K years old, right?

Physical death was in the world long before Adam sinned...thus, this can only be referring to Spiritual death.

You got it backwards.....again...

You say NOPE, but you give not a shred of evidence to support your assertion. Assertions are meaningless.

Can you prove that death was here before Adam?

Since when is spiritual death returning to dust from whence we came?

Why do you think Christ needed to become man as we are in our mortal human nature?

Why do you think it was necessary for Christ to arise from the grave thus defeating death, physical death.
By the way that life was given to all men. Have you not read Rom 5:18, or even more clear is I Cor 15:22. I must presume you actually don't believe in hell, since all men where given spiritual life.

Scripture says His resurrection made possible mankind's resurrection at His Second Coming, I Cor 15:52-54. It speaks of immortality and incorruptibility, not spiritual life.

So, I may also presume that since death is ONLY spiritual, you only die spiritually. You will never die physically, that is an illusion?

To say the least, based on your empty assertions, you have a very convoluted theological perspective. Not much seems to be scripturally based. Probably mostly opinion with no facts, since you have never given any facts for your assertions.

 

[Cassian]

What scripture states this...?

Rev 20:1-3. You do realize that most of Revelation is symbolism. Or do you actually believe Satan is a dragon, and that Christ actually had handcuffs and a key and bound Satan?

 

[Bowman]

Can you prove that death was here before Adam?

Job 38.25 - 41

Who has cut a channel for the flood; or a way for the thunderclaps, to make it rain on the earth where no man is, a wilderness and no man in it; to satisfy the waste and desolation, and to cause the source of grass to sprout? Is there a father for the rain? Or who has given birth to the drops of dew? From whose womb comes forth the ice; and the frost of the heavens, who fathered it; the waters hidden like stone, and the face of the deep is captured? Can you bind the bands of the Pleiades, or loosen the cords of Orion? Can you bring out the constellations in their season; or can you guide the Bear with its sons? Do you know the limits of the heavens; can you establish their rulership on the earth? Can you lift your voice to the clouds, so that floods of water may cover you? Can you send lightnings, that they may go and say to you, Here we are? Who has put wisdom in the inward parts; or who has given understanding to the mind? Who can by wisdom number the clouds or who can lay down the jars of the heavens, when the dust is melted into hardness, and the clods cling fast together? Will you hunt the prey for the lion, or fill the appetite of the young lions, when they crouch in dens, and sit in the cover of their hiding place? Who provides food for the raven, when its young ones cry to God and wander about without food?


Here we have Yahweh giving Job a clinic on creation.

Observe that God provides Job with a list of the creation BEFORE mankind!

Lions hunting for prey? Lions are carnivores. This means that they stalked and killed their food, as plainly stated in the text.

Ravens are omnivores – which means that they also ate meat – which means animal death.

So…as you can see, all these things transpired BEFORE the first humans.

Animal death existed BEFORE Adam sinned.

Period.

 

[YuriBrown1234567]

2 Cor. 4:4
Ephesians 2:2

 

[YuriBrown1234567]

Look at the world today this is Not God's kingdom on Earth. Jesus has yet to return.

Revelation 11:15, 21

 

[birdie]

Is the devil bound right now?

The devil is bound during the church age in the sense that he cannot stop the Holy Spirit from getting the true believers saved. Matthew 18:18 speaks of this time: "Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

Revelation 20 shows the Holy Spirit (the seal) preventing Satan from deceiving people away from salvation (into unbelief). However, during the tribulation period Satan is loosed within the congregations to deceive because the Holy Spirit is withdrawn from that arena during the tribulation. The true believers flee out of the congregations.

People often imagine Rev 20 describing Satan as being bound in a physical sense all over planet earth and in a world free of non-believers. However, that is not the utopia being described there.

 

[Cassian]

Job 38.25 - 41

Who has cut a channel for the flood; or a way for the thunderclaps, to make it rain on the earth where no man is, a wilderness and no man in it; to satisfy the waste and desolation, and to cause the source of grass to sprout? Is there a father for the rain? Or who has given birth to the drops of dew? From whose womb comes forth the ice; and the frost of the heavens, who fathered it; the waters hidden like stone, and the face of the deep is captured? Can you bind the bands of the Pleiades, or loosen the cords of Orion? Can you bring out the constellations in their season; or can you guide the Bear with its sons? Do you know the limits of the heavens; can you establish their rulership on the earth? Can you lift your voice to the clouds, so that floods of water may cover you? Can you send lightnings, that they may go and say to you, Here we are? Who has put wisdom in the inward parts; or who has given understanding to the mind? Who can by wisdom number the clouds or who can lay down the jars of the heavens, when the dust is melted into hardness, and the clods cling fast together? Will you hunt the prey for the lion, or fill the appetite of the young lions, when they crouch in dens, and sit in the cover of their hiding place? Who provides food for the raven, when its young ones cry to God and wander about without food?


Here we have Yahweh giving Job a clinic on creation.

Observe that God provides Job with a list of the creation BEFORE mankind!

Lions hunting for prey? Lions are carnivores. This means that they stalked and killed their food, as plainly stated in the text.

Ravens are omnivores – which means that they also ate meat – which means animal death.

So…as you can see, all these things transpired BEFORE the first humans.

Animal death existed BEFORE Adam sinned.

Period.

Really? Can you give corrobative support other than your opinion?

 

[gkroo]

Do not marvel at this, for an hour is coming in which all those in the tombs will hear His voice. And they will come out, the ones having practiced good into a resurrection of life; the ones having done evil into a resurrection of judgment. (John 5.28 – 29)

This is a resurrection, one (those in the tombs). Both good and evil are resurrected once then after the judgement, the second death. No resurrection from that.

 

[gkroo]

The devil is bound during the church age in the sense that he cannot stop the Holy Spirit from getting the true believers saved. Matthew 18:18 speaks of this time: "Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

Revelation 20 shows the Holy Spirit (the seal) preventing Satan from deceiving people away from salvation (into unbelief). However, during the tribulation period Satan is loosed within the congregations to deceive because the Holy Spirit is withdrawn from that arena during the tribulation. The true believers flee out of the congregations.

People often imagine Rev 20 describing Satan as being bound in a physical sense all over planet earth and in a world free of non-believers. However, that is not the utopia being described there.

Yes, we are the church of the living God. Our name is Peter.

Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Notice it does not say 'whomsoever,' but 'whatsoever.'

 

[gkroo]

Our name is Peter:

Πέτρος
Petros
pet'-ros
Apparently a primary word; a (piece of) rock (larger than G3037); as a name, Petrus, an apostle: - Peter, rock. Compare G2786.

We are not G3037-stone(s), but little pieces of rock. Jahshua(Jesus) is the Rock of our salvation.

When the woman caught in adultery was brought to Jesus, He bent down and started writing in the sand.

Joh 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

The stones have sin, the rocks are forgiven.

 

[passing_through]

Who died? Physical death was in the world long before Adam sinned...thus, this can only be referring to Spiritual death.

This is more outlandish than "Satan is bound", without sin there is no death, "by one man (Adam) sin enter the world.

 

[Bowman]

This is a resurrection, one (those in the tombs). Both good and evil are resurrected once then after the judgement, the second death. No resurrection from that.

No.

These are TWO separate Resurrection events.

 

[gkroo]

You can pretty well see from all action in the United States that the devil has been loosed by whoever the anti-christ is.