Departure From Oblivion!

[BarlyGurl]

Does anybody know where I can find some hyssop and a lamb? I'm trying to prepare for passover. Thank God it's not until next year. I live in a subdivision so I need to prepare my neighbors to not turn me in for animal cruelty when the time comes.

Yet frequently comes off as sarcastic and cynical... and that isn't helpful for me to understand what he is REALLY saying most of the time. SO just-me, since you sorta joined him in the "joke" which I DO understand the OT references, can you maybe explain what you thought yet meant in the comment YOU replied to of his??? Please I didn't get it

 

[KennethC]

how about Jesus warning many times about deception?

"For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect."
Matt. 24:24

I read something interesting the other day, wherein some scholars are thinking that Jesus was not actually referring to false Christs in the sense that the person would claim to be Christ, but was actually meaning a false gospel such as the kind Paul referred to and to me, this makes more sense

alot to think about

Apostle Paul speaks of falling away no less then 4 times...........Acts 20:28-31, 1 Timothy 4, Galatians, Romans 11

Apostle James speaks of falling away....................James 5:19-20

Apostle who wrote Hebrews (possibly Paul but unknown)................Hebrews 6:4-6

Also the Apostle Jude speaks of being deceived by false teaching in his epistle as well.

 

[BarlyGurl]

please...are you serious?

Here's a cup a coffee Ember, Have a seat next to me while we MAYBE figure out what is going on here?

 

[ember]

Here's a cup a coffee Ember, Have a seat next to me while we MAYBE figure out what is going on here?

ha! my beverage of choice...you rememberred! (love ginger ale too...but coffee is serious business)


here ya go...warning you though, I like it strong, but not bitter.....

 

[ember]

Apostle Paul speaks of falling away no less then 4 times...........Acts 20:28-31, 1 Timothy 4, Galatians, Romans 11

Apostle James speaks of falling away....................James 5:19-20

Apostle who wrote Hebrews (possibly Paul but unknown)................Hebrews 6:4-6

Also the Apostle Jude speaks of being deceived by false teaching in his epistle as well.

well yes...I am well aware of those scriptures, but I have never applied them and never thought them to be applied, to loosing your salvation when you sin...as we all do

and apparently neither do you!

 

[BarlyGurl]

>>>>here ya go...warning you though, I like it strong, but not bitter<<<<<

MY SISTER!!!!! <hugs>

 

[ember]

>>>>here ya go...warning you though, I like it strong, but not bitter<<<<<

MY SISTER!!!!! <hugs>

oh thank you! I can certainly use one!!!

I like hugs...have one or two also!

 

[Shoshanah]

I'm sorry to sash your hopes for a revival, but my denomination uses many students out of Wheaton College. Actually the last Teaching Elder of our church quit the job to be the President at Wheaton. My denomination has been preaching the whole word of God for centuries and still are.

So, no, that's not a sign a revival is coming. That's just you discovering some of us believe the whole of the Bible from the first to last word.

Oh shucks! But I am very happy that you have a church that teaches the value of the whole Bible!
I ask Yahweh's blessings on you.

 

[just-me]

Yet frequently comes off as sarcastic and cynical... and that isn't helpful for me to understand what he is REALLY saying most of the time. SO just-me, since you sorta joined him in the "joke" which I DO understand the OT references, can you maybe explain what you thought yet meant in the comment YOU replied to of his??? Please I didn't get it

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Sorry no. Being facetious. You forgive me?

Some professing Christians fight against God's commandments with clichés against those of us who esteem the law as relevant for Christians, as if we were actually still doing this. My facetiousness is due to what I see as ridiculous accusations. It really wasn't founded on the thread so I have to say I was wrong by venting a certain frustration. My mistake.

 

[ember]

Letting the dove out of the cage now..........

 

[Dan58]

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill" (Matthew 5:17). The laws Jesus fulfilled are the ceremonial laws surrounding the Levitical priesthood. All the sacrificial laws (blood letting, circumcision) and the Temple rituals of the Aaronic priesthood were fulfilled. "Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of MelchisedecJesus became our high priest" (Hebrews 6:20). Jesus became our High Priest, our Intercessor, our Passover, our Sacrifice, our Sabbaths, our Sanctuary and Temple. The implementation of all such statutes and ordinances were only applicable to the Temple, they were only a typology of what was to come, and a foreshadowing of what was ultimately fulfilled in Christ. All others laws remain, but the curse of the law was paid in full at Calvary.

 

[Shoshanah]

It would be nice. Looking forward to your posts. Just a quick question though. If this "revival" happens, should we worry about the coming back of "guilt" and " feeling of condemnation". The law tends to make me feel that somehow. I follow the law but not because I follow the law. Following the law is actually the end result of what I do for Christ who saved me; when He fulfilled the law. You know what I mean?

No, I don't believe the condemnation would return. The reason I say that is because you already have the correct state of mind - "Following the law is actually the end result of what I do for Christ who saved me" - which is exactly what James was talking about when he said, "...I will show you my faith by my actions!"

 

[Shoshanah]

SHOSHANA...with reference to your closing sentences in your op:



I've heard plenty concerning awakenings...revivals...etc but have yet to 'see' one

I am of the belief that we may see a big falling away instead?

I wholeheartedly agree with you! We ARE in the falling away and I have never quite bought into the "last revival" school of thought.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

What does "revival" mean, to you?

 

[Shoshanah]

Acts 15:5
But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

Acts 15:24Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

Acts 15:10
Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

The written ordinances of the Mosaic laws are called a yoke of bondage by Apostle Paul in Galatians 5:1.

Also in that same passage above in Acts 15:28 it says the Holy Spirit approved of this change of what ordinances still apply, and the Holy Spirit is of God so if He approves then God approves.

Love, mercy, and forgiveness is found in the OT but the Jews, especially that of the Pharisees who were the law givers focused only on the written ordinances and ignored those finer aspects of the law.

Does stoning people to death for breaking a command fall under love, mercy, or forgiveness ???

Does eye for eye, tooth for a tooth still apply ??? Matthew 5:38-39 says no...........

The standards we are told to walk by in the new covenant by the Lord is love, mercy, and forgiveness of all people.
If the spirit that is leading a person is telling them things that do not fall under those categories then it is not the Holy Spirit.

It is not ignoring God given instructions as you think as the Lord made changes from the old covenant to the new covenant, and the standard by which we are to follow in the new covenant is not focusing on written ordinances to obey. There are other scriptures such as Colossians 2:14 that shows those written ordinances were blotted out.

Hopefully I will be able to make this understandable. First of all: John 7:22 says, "For this reason Moses has given you circumcision (not because it is from Moses, but from the fathers",meaning Abraham. Physical circumcision was not instituted in Mosaic Law, but circumcision of the HEART is, which correlates perfectly with Colossians 2:11 which says, "and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ;"

​So, when taken in context, we see that this was the the distorted law of the Pharisees rather than the basic Law of God.

 

[just-me]

What does "revival" mean, to you?

If I may, (I didn't know if this was a question to a particular person or just in general so....) Revival is something that is not scheduled when the church sees that they are sick or ready to die off. Due to this recognition, the church asks (with a sincere heart) for God to revive them because they were consuming the wrong food that made them sick in the first place. Revival is due to recognized illness.

 

[Shoshanah]

What does "revival" mean, to you?

To me it means a return to ALL of the Word of God, not this silly charismatic stuff that has no...um...substance...that is the word I want I think, nor do I believe a revival is a scheduled camp meeting type of affair where preaching takes place every night to "get 'em saved!" and we see those newly "saved" individuals a month later living with someone they are not married to, drinking themselves into oblivion, watching movies and listening to music we know God does not approve of, etc. Revival, to me, is exactly what I experienced here at home, alone with God, when I realized my bored condition and asked Him for renewal/revival, which He has granted freely consistently for the last four years, and continues to yet.

 

[ember]

Hopefully I will be able to make this understandable. First of all: John 7:22 says, "For this reason Moses has given you circumcision (not because it is from Moses, but from the fathers",meaning Abraham. Physical circumcision was not instituted in Mosaic Law, but circumcision of the HEART is, which correlates perfectly with Colossians 2:11 which says, "and in Him you were also circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, in the removal of the body of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ;"

​So, when taken in context, we see that this was the the distorted law of the Pharisees rather than the basic Law of God.

'On the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised. Leviticus 12:3...indicates it was actually inscribed in the law

interesting to read about what happened to Moses when he was on his way to Egypt...after God called him

it was not a law of the Pharisees...but a physical aspect of a spiritual truth...ie..circumsize your heart and not your flesh

see, many will argue that the law is no longer in effect because of things like the above...and the law is no longer effect as long as we are IN Christ which also means following Him...you are not IN Him if you are off doing whatever and claiming you are now free and yeah, some will argue the opposite until the cows come home...I don't understand this to mean strict observance or even lenient observance of any law except that of the law of liberty in Christ, while retaining the thought that, as Paul says, or asks, does that mean we are now free to sin? (long sentence sorry)

we can see the fullfillment of the law the whole way through the NT but I will agree that does not mean we are free FROM Christ but we are free IN Christ


something that actually correlates with your observations regarding not knowing the OT

 

[Jasher]

The entire Bible is the Word of God and, according to His own Words, important for all of us to live by. (Deuteronomy 8:3, Matthew 4:4, Luke 4:4) There is serious departure from God’s instructions today and very lame excuses given by people for that departure, such as it's a bunch of boring rituals made obsolete by Christ's sacrifice on the cross and way too negative with all of the “thou shalt nots” in it. It is obvious by such a foolish statement that they do not even know the law.

For a long time I have wished that someone that Christians consider reputable would teach the importance of the entire Bible rather than the separation of the Old Testament from the New Testament, as being all that matters now. A scholar would be listened to much more so than an ordinary person, theoretically anyway, and because of that, could do so much to help 21[SUP]st[/SUP] century Christians understand more fully how the Bible is one big story, all parts intertwined with all of the other parts. (See 2 Peter 1:20). And now it is happening! A very reputable professor at Wheaton College is doing just that and I am so excited about it.

Could this be the “revival” I have heard so many say will happen just before the Lion of Judah returns?

Orthodox Messianic Judaism: Stop the Press! Mainline Christian Scholars Beginning to Promote the Torah of Moses
Daniel Block | Theopedia

Oh good grief. Before this is over you will be keeping Passover and all of the Jewish feasts. Paul spent all of his Christian days divorcing the New Covenant from the Old Covenant they are not compatible. This is just another tangent that causes division in the Church.

Paul had the same problem in his day. He was constantly at war with the Judiazers who wanted to drag the New Covenant people back into the confines of the Old Covenant. These two mixed together create a hybrid Gospel alien to the teachings of the Disciples.

 

[ember]

Kenneth...I don't think you and I believe exactly the same, but I think I may start to understand what you are really saying better?