Render unto Cesar.........

[KennethC]

More liberal dribble. Criminals no longer fear jail/prison...they end up living pretty well off thank you.

I have done prison ministry and if you think they are living pretty well off you are being fooled, and this is not liberal dribble as the prisons are over packed now days because laws are getting stricter.

I live in Missouri and for the past 5 years they have constantly let prisoners out early instead of serving their full sentence because there is not enough bed space to house them all, so that have to let some out early to let others come in.

This is common around the U.S. now, and even sentencing guidelines are getting lesser because they can not hold all the people coming in so what use to be 5 year sentences are now getting 2-3 years or parole instead.

 

[JesusistheChrist]

hey jesusisthechrist not my words if you have an issue take it up with the author....

Why wasn't King David put to death?

 

[crossnote]

Isn't death under false accusation murder? I'm not mincing words, murder is murder

State sanctioned capital punishment given to a murderer of an innocent man is God sanctioned!!

"Whoever sheds human blood, by a human his own blood is to be shed; because God made human beings in his own image.
(Gen 9:6)

 

[KennethC]

Side with man on the death penalty?? How about side with God on the death penalty or side with bleeding heart liberals in showing more compassion to the criminals than the victim?

"Whoever sheds human blood, by a human his own blood is to be shed; because God made human beings in his own image. (Gen 9:6)

Or is man no longer in God's image?

Well I would rather side with the Lord who said show love, mercy, and forgiveness to them and to also pray, do good, and minister to them.

Lord Jesus would rather us show mercy and pray for forgiveness then to ask for them to be executed/put to death !!!

 

[JesusistheChrist]

hey jesusisthechrist not my words if you have an issue take it up with the author....

Wait a minute...

Your username is "Yonah" as in "Jonah"?

Ah, now I understand...

 

[crossnote]

Acts 15 disagrees with your thinking here, as it says Gentile believers do not have to submit to be circumcised by the law.

If they want to become part of the Commonwealth of Israel, they do. OFF TOPIC

 

[crossnote]

Why wasn't King David put to death?

Under the law, by all rights he should have. God forgave David. That was God's personal decision. Show me where it applies to all muderers?

 

[KennethC]

State sanctioned capital punishment given to a murderer of an innocent man is God sanctioned!!

"Whoever sheds human blood, by a human his own blood is to be shed; because God made human beings in his own image.
(Gen 9:6)

That is not what AceMichaels was saying.

What he was saying if a man gets put to death for murder, and he was actually innocent and did not commit the crime then does not the one's who put him to death guilty of murder then because they just killed a innocent man???

Yes that would be murder, and people are being thrown in prison and even face the death penalty for crimes they never committed because of a corrupt system.

Johnson County, Kansas got busted 6 years ago for sending innocent people to jail and prison because they were getting money for doing so. 5 judges were disbarred and so were a few attorneys !!!

 

[crossnote]

I have done prison ministry and if you think they are living pretty well off you are being fooled, and this is not liberal dribble as the prisons are over packed now days because laws are getting stricter.

I live in Missouri and for the past 5 years they have constantly let prisoners out early instead of serving their full sentence because there is not enough bed space to house them all, so that have to let some out early to let others come in.

This is common around the U.S. now, and even sentencing guidelines are getting lesser because they can not hold all the people coming in so what use to be 5 year sentences are now getting 2-3 years or parole instead.

Thanks to the liberal laws here in California, the Mexican Mafia are calling the shots to the street gangs and are doing quite well, thank you...oh...off topic.

 

[KennethC]

Under the law, by all rights he should have. God forgave David. That was God's personal decision. Show me where it applies to all muderers?

Well the Lord our God said we are to show that same forgiveness to others as well, so if a murderer on death role repents would you let him off and not have him put to death ???

 

[crossnote]

Well I would rather side with the Lord who said show love, mercy, and forgiveness to them and to also pray, do good, and minister to them.

Lord Jesus would rather us show mercy and pray for forgiveness then to ask for them to be executed/put to death !!!

Your confusing our responsibilities as witnesses on an individual level and holding to our responsibilities on a State level as members of society. It is compassionate to the family members of the victim and society as a whole to have justice done to those who take a life.

 

[KennethC]

Thanks to the liberal laws here in California, the Mexican Mafia are calling the shots to the street gangs and are doing quite well, thank you...oh...off topic.

Yeah old California that has and started the 3 strikes and your out rule, not to mention they have in a ranking one of the worst prisons to be incarcerated in do to in murders, rapes, and other mischief in it.

 

[crossnote]

That is not what AceMichaels was saying.

What he was saying if a man gets put to death for murder, and he was actually innocent and did not commit the crime then does not the one's who put him to death guilty of murder then because they just killed a innocent man???

Yes that would be murder, and people are being thrown in prison and even face the death penalty for crimes they never committed because of a corrupt system.

Johnson County, Kansas got busted 6 years ago for sending innocent people to jail and prison because they were getting money for doing so. 5 judges were disbarred and so were a few attorneys !!!

We don't make laws determined by the exceptions. The vast majority of those found guilty are guilty.
This the problem today, we make a law based on the exception...one kid is allergic to peanuts, the school bans peanuts. Bad policy.

I'm done here for awhile, y'all have fun, and oh yeah...

"Whoever sheds human blood, by a human his own blood is to be shed; because God made human beings in his own image.
(Gen 9:6)

 

[JesusistheChrist]

Under the law, by all rights he should have. God forgave David. That was God's personal decision. Show me where it applies to all muderers?

I don't need to. IOW, I've already shown that your verse from Genesis apparently doesn't have the type of universal, unyielding meaning attached to it that you believe that it does in that David wasn't put to death for shedding man's blood. Furthermore, if it did, then, again, the disciples of Jesus would have not only avenged His death, but also the deaths of the likes of Stephen, James, Paul, etc., etc. Of course, far from avenging such deaths, they sought the salvation of those who perpetrated the same. Yea, I guess that they were just a bunch of "liberal dribblers", right? You don't know what spirit you're of...or do you?

 

[KennethC]

Your confusing our responsibilities as witnesses on an individual level and holding to our responsibilities on a State level as members of society. It is compassionate to the family members of the victim and society as a whole to have justice done to those who take a life.

Society never overrides are responsibilities as believers in Christ and the standards the Lord Jesus tells us to uphold.

Society says put them to death---Lord Jesus says show mercy and forgive them

I will take Lord Jesus over what society says....................

 

[KennethC]

We don't make laws determined by the exceptions. The vast majority of those found guilty are guilty.
This the problem today, we make a law based on the exception...one kid is allergic to peanuts, the school bans peanuts. Bad policy.

I'm done here for awhile, y'all have fun, and oh yeah...

"Whoever sheds human blood, by a human his own blood is to be shed; because God made human beings in his own image.
(Gen 9:6)

Majority may well be guilty, but then at the same time why is there at least 1 to 3 people every year that is let out because they have been found innocent all along ???

 

[KennethC]

If they want to become part of the Commonwealth of Israel, they do. OFF TOPIC

No they don't !!!

 

[BarlyGurl]

Jesus told those who sought to kill Him that they were doing the lusts or fulfilling the desires of their father, the devil, who was a MURDERER from the beginning:

"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." (John 8:44)

The Greek word "anthrōpoktonos" which is translated as "murderer" only appears in two other places in the entire New Testament in the following verse:

"Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him." (I John 3:15)

Jesus was crucified by MURDERERS...and they are the very first ones whom He sent His disciples to preach to after His resurrection from the dead. Stephen prayed that God would not let the sin of his MURDERERS be laid to their charge as they were stoning him to death. Would you or anybody else like to show me where Jesus' disciples went out and avenged the blood of Stephen in alleged fulfillment of the Genesis verse that's being wildly thrown about on this thread? For crying out loud, Paul watched the clothes of them who stoned Stephen and he later became possibly the greatest apostle of all time. Perhaps Peter, James, John or somebody else should have offed his head first? Some people here don't know what manner of spirit they're of:

"And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem, And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him. And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem. And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village." (Luke 9:51-56)

Gotchya... not liking the allusion to not knowing which spirit I have but what ev's. Stephen was executed for the sake of the gospel... While all FORGIVENESS for the sake of Christ is going on.... was social Justice still in operation? DID government cease? No and NO. So again... making the assertion that administering SOCIAL JUSTICE for ORDER in society including the use of capital punishment is against GOD is just not a boat I am willing to paddle in and calling it HATE of souls for agreeing with capital punishment IS just not true. Christ gave himself up and the very method which took his life the administration of social justice <capital punishment> was he falsely accused YES, were the two criminals with him falsely accused? NO, did one repent, YES!!! GLORY TO GOD!!!
Some people come to Christ by gentle teaching true... others come by circumstances best described as having a HOOK IN THEIR NOSE and I am very willing that that be so... I am okay with that...makes a hook look GOOD!!!

 

[BarlyGurl]

Apostle Paul was redeemed by the Lord which is why he never faced death for his sin of murder, as David and Moses also was.

So would you let a murderer off of death role and let them be released back into society if they repent ???

If your answer is no, why ???

The Lord our God let David, Moses, and Paul be forgiven of murder and not face capital punishment for their crimes, as well as there have been others throughout time He has done the same. So if the Lord forgives people who murder, why don't you ???

When have I said I would not forgive a murderer??? WE are discussing SOCIAL JUSTICE and CAPITAL PUNISHMENT not personal offenses. I absolutely CANNOT fathom how it is you refute OSAS doctrine, vigilantly uphold REPENTANCE as REQUIRED for salvation but will not consider capital punishment for social crime as a "VENUE" instituted by God to bring repentance forth.... BOGGLING!

 

[AceMichaels]

When have I said I would not forgive a murderer??? WE are discussing SOCIAL JUSTICE and CAPITAL PUNISHMENT not personal offenses. I absolutely CANNOT fathom how it is you refute OSAS doctrine, vigilantly uphold REPENTANCE as REQUIRED for salvation but will not consider capital punishment for social crime as a "VENUE" instituted by God to bring repentance forth.... BOGGLING!

I'm sorry but this the first time i have heard this. God instituted capital punishment to bring about repentance?