Emotions or rational thought? There should only be one answer. Annoying complicated b

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jsr1221

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I just know when we act on free will, more often than not, we screw up. Free will is a great thing, don't get me wrong,but tthere's a reason why we as humans fail more often than do things right with it. Because we act on what we feel and think, rather than act on what God is telling us, or actually sit and listen to what He tells us. I don't know. I may be the only one that thinks this, but if we are to trust in Christ for all things, then that should include pursuing relationships. Rather than tell God what we want, we should ask Him what He wants from us. Because I have failed numerous times, both with and without relationships, when trying to tell God with what I want. Again, maybe it's just me.
 
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Goose liver is so awesome that France has TWO museums dedicated to it.

To the original topic, why are you trying to force anything? Is something wrong with the friendship you have? Asking if you should try to make yourself love her romantically makes you sound... Well, a little desperate frankly.
haha desperate... that's a fair assumption from the text. But no, it's a matter of obeying my rational thoughts or not. Me and alone are so the best buddies. We like each other a lot. But I've always said i'll keep my eyes open, just in case i met some amazing.
All this is is the rational part of me wondering why I am ignoring signs that on paper, should indicate attraction and comparability. The emotive side, which fits into the rational camp too isn't following suit. Disobedient little swine.
It's just an odd apparent contradiction in internal logic. I hate those :p
So, the forum post to gather other perspectives.

But you are right about one thing. She is amazing and I would never want to lose her as a friend. Such a good rational head on that one! :)
 
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Um... Maybe this works for you... But I don't agree with this. At all.

And if a guy said to me, "I know I'm interested in you because I feel like having sex with you, and if I feel like having sex with someone, I know they're more than a friend."

Um... no. Just no. And I would run in the other direction.

I'm not saying sexual attraction isn't important (it's pretty essential if you're going to get married.)

But as a deciding factor that rules who you are or are not interested in? No way.

I personally believe romantic love encompasses A LOT more than just sexual interest. Sexual interest can also be just that, and not much else, and leads to its own set of heartbreaks.
Your words to Omni echo my thoughts. Nicely said.
 
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For the original poster:

* I had mentors in my old church who were from India and had an arranged marriage, so they didn't choose each other, their parents chose for them. They said they grew to love each other.

* I went to Christian schools K-12 and had a teacher who married his best friend from college. It was said (the things kids hear when grownups don't think they're listening) that they had had an agreement that if they both reached a certain age and weren't married, they'd marry each other, because they figured their faith and being best friends was enough to build on. Unfortunately, the marriage didn't last long. They were divorced in under 2 years.

* I had a friend in high school who told me the same thing: "We could marry each other someday, because at least we're best friends." We didn't wind up marrying each other and eventually lost contact; I think this was for the best. We got along great as friends, but had completely different styles and philosophies of living.

I used to be someone who either "liked" a guy romantically right away (and no, it wasn't because of sex, it was more a of, "I really want to spend more time with this guy... because I want to know everything about him... and I just really like being with him") or else just liked a guy as a friend right away. I never had an instance in which a friendship turned romantic.

Now that I'm older, I could now see meeting someone and not falling in love until some time (and a lot of life issues) had passed. I personally think that seeing how someone handles something can really affect your feelings for them. I was good friends with a guy during a rough patch of my life in which someone passed away, along with several other challenges,, and he was extremely supportive and encouraging (but he eventually went on to marry someone else though and we lost touch.)

I truly believe it's possible to fall in love over time, but I don't believe we can make ourselves feel something we don't. That's just my own thoughts though. I definitely believe it can be different for everyone.

I hope things work out for you! Please keep us posted as to how this goes.
Ahh Seoulsearch, you gem. Every time you respond to someone you really take the time. Thanks :)

Your stories give food for thought.
I will continue to give this matter due prayer and thought and see where God takes me on this. I don't expect anything will change, but if something does happen, sure, I'll update :)
 
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#45
Without reading other responses, this is my opinion.

If there is no attraction, there's no attraction. Attraction just isn't about physical appearance...but there's something about that person that draws you to them. Maybe it's the way they seek after God's heart, maybe it's the way they treat others, maybe it's the way they make you laugh, etc. For example, I have a male friend who's extremely attractive (Haha, sorry. Just saying). When him and I first met, we did get along really well. So, we tried going on a date. Let's just say, there was nothing more than physical attraction between us. We goofed around, we got along, and we were physically attracted to each other, but....nothing came from it. We didn't just sit there and force it to happen, we just let it go and moved on as friends.

Romance isn't for every woman you meet. Don't awaken love when it's not ready to be awaken. Song of Solomon 2:7. People tend to push the envelope. "Oh, but we get along SO well! We have all these things in common. They're attractive. I'm attracive. I mean, c'mon. Match made in heaven." Nope. Sometimes, you walk away with just a really good friendship. Mark (the guy I mentioned earlier) and I are really close. We had all these similaries, and we love goofing around but yet, having seroous conversations. And we walked away, having a really good friendship! I aboslutely love the fact he's in my life.

It is important to know how to treat the opposite gender and how to build a healthy friendship with them, even if there are no romantic feelings. It is good to ask yourself, "Why am I talking to this woman like this? Do I have feelings for her? Do I see her just as a friend?" Check the motives and that affections of your heart. Examine why you're talking to her. Are you hoping to have a relationship with her just because you're lonely? Love when you're ready, not when you're lonely.

I hope this explains what my heart is trying to convey....
Thank you Shineyourlight, you speak some wise words at the end there. IO agree that Loneliness should not a main motivator in seeking romantic relationship. Objectivity is inevitably skewed :)
Know I am not lonely, and will indeed treat my friend with the respect she deserves as a redeemed daughter of God. I do try for that with everyone, but she does make it easy being so excellent.
 
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I think there is a certain level of mystery to attraction. Even Shakespeare wrote about this in several of his comedies--A Midsummer Night's Dream comes to mind. There is some mysterious kind of spark that creates romantic desire. There have been attempts to define or pin it down--it's pheromones, it's a genetic predisposition, it's acculturation, etc.--and yet no one has managed to satisfactorily explain it.

Also, it seems to me that women are more likely to "grow into" desire than men. (this is based on my limited experience. I'm sure there are exceptions). Most of the men I've known have had pretty visceral responses to the women they eventually married. Whether they acted on their immediate attraction or let it simmer for a time, they'll talk about feeling it right away. I've even known of men who've strategically positioned themselves in a woman's life based on this attraction. They'd develop a friendship and bid their time until she figured it out.

I know for me, attraction is something in addition to an appreciation for someone's character, appearance, etc. I've met men that on paper are seemingly "perfect" for me, but there was no romantic attraction, and none ever developed--just a great friendship with lots of simpatico. I've met other men for whom I felt an immediate and strong attraction, but who were completely inappropriate (in other words, they were lacking in essential character qualities)--and had to run like hades. I've also had the experience of being drawn to a man based on his fine character and developing a romantic attachment to him because of this.

Attraction is also a bit mysterious to me because it's based on so many intangibles. It's even beyond my personal preferences in regard to appearance. For example, I prefer men with dark eyes and dark hair; however, I've had the experience of being attracted to men with light hair and light eyes.

Personally, I think overanalyzing attraction makes interactions with men too transactional. (You don't meet my preferences...here's your "friendzone" sign). I prefer a level of mystery and an openness to the surprises of God in this area.
Ah bless you poetmary, your words here are what the emotive part of me wants to say well, but is too rational.

It's the mystery of love. Overly analytical thought seems to hold no approach. A person can be perfect, but for some reason there isn't anything there. That love, that reason for a want of connection beyond intimate (close) friendship is the mystery, that for some reason, feels like it shouldn't be quantifiable - that it should reject the very process of being analysed.
While the rational part of my brain boos and hisses, my emotive side leaps for joy at the prospect of that unknown.
Thank you for your words. Gaining new perspective is always exciting.
 
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Thank you Shineyourlight, you speak some wise words at the end there. IO agree that Loneliness should not a main motivator in seeking romantic relationship. Objectivity is inevitably skewed :)
Know I am not lonely, and will indeed treat my friend with the respect she deserves as a redeemed daughter of God. I do try for that with everyone, but she does make it easy being so excellent.
Oh, I didn't think you were treating her less than a friend. Just putting it out there :)

I think that's wonderful you treat people as brothers & sisters. Honor others above oneself! :)
 
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I'm just trying to figure out what "Annoying complicated b" means..

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lol zeroturbulence

@Rush, philia love right there and that's not what you need to feel for a lifetime partner, at least not only that. I'd say wait it keep waiting for the right one. Don't have to force it if you're not attracted.
 
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I would say not to overlook someone you find amazing. Learning from others wisdom and creating friendships is invaluable. Using caution of course. Making sure someone's wisdom is consistent with God's word can't be stressed enough. That is where I use great caution in seeking advice from others. I saw a sermon, I believe it was Dr.Charles Stanley which warns against advice from others especially when they start by saying, "what I would do....". A previous comment brought up that maybe that amazing person could grow on you romantically. Not always romantic connection "at first sight". Sometimes might find that connection closer to the core of someone...and/or yourself.
Charles Stanley is one of my favs:) I catch him online weekly
 

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I don't think any rational man is gonna say those words to a woman. But no rational man is going to think he has a romantic future with someone he isn't sexually interested in, either. Tell me what a great relationship is, if not a fantastic friendship that also involves sexual attraction?
On face value this actually isn't wrong imo, but it has a ton of different ways to be misinterpreted.
 
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Wowzers, I must be out of the loop! My brain is fried careening through these posts. Holy cats, does it take that much maddening thought and daring effort to establish a relationship? Eeek... no wonder I'm single. :p I'm living in a dream world, I guess.

 
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I think that if I really liked someone emotionally, I would probably like them romantically. :)

I think that if you like someone emotionally, even if they look like Quasimodo, they're going to look attractive to you because you already like them emotionally. I hope that made sense.
 
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For those analytical kids out there, let me ask you, if you find someone that is amazing, and I mean awesome; you love their character and they love yours, but you both feel no attraction to at all, should you try and grow attraction?
My annoying emotive mind says no, I should be swept up in romantic emotion, at least for a while.
My rational mind says attraction is hype and that strength of character and love of God and people of primary concern.

I know what I think, but since when have I always been right?
What do you guys think? Is it wise to overlook someone amazing just because you don't feel emotionally and romantically engaged?
No. If it grows on its own that's fine, but trying to force it will just end badly.
 
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Charles Stanley is one of my favs:) I catch him online weekly
I have an app on my phone with daily devotionals from him and have seen a few of his sermons, so far I like how he preaches and the way he does it is so different from others I have seen. I actually saw one of his messages on YouTube and told my best friend about it since we were going through a similar situation and we have both been fans of his ever since.
 
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On face value this actually isn't wrong imo, but it has a ton of different ways to be misinterpreted.
It does, and it was lol. But I assure you, take it at face value.
 
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I would not date them. Just because you get along well doesn't mean you have to force the relationship into something romantic, just because. If this were a man it wouldn't be an issue, but because it's a woman suddenly the dating idea gives many the impression you Have to do something about it. Wrong. You aren't romantically attracted to her. There's a reason for that. The answer is in your question, but it's actually YOU that's complicating it by trying to force the situation to be what it's not meant to be.

Far as the 'arranged marriage' argument, you have already known this woman for years and nothing has come of it.
And we often hear people make reference to arranged marriages and someone they know had a successful one, how many more do we not hear anything about because no real feelings come of it? Or worse, they marry someone mean or abusive? And never got to choose for themselves?
Also you have to consider the cultural differences. Some people grow up with the idea their marriage will be set for them, and it's a normal part of their culture they have adapted to. And many cultures that have such things also have very strict rules against divorce.

To me this seems a really obvious answer. You've known her for years and still have no romantic interest in her. Nor her for you. Why make it any more complicated than that? Why force the idea of dating someone where there is no interest? What happens if you date, get married and never develop those feelings? How good of a life will you have then? Don't screw up a good friendship because you feel obligated to date someone you don't want to.
 
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I have an app on my phone with daily devotionals from him and have seen a few of his sermons, so far I like how he preaches and the way he does it is so different from others I have seen. I actually saw one of his messages on YouTube and told my best friend about it since we were going through a similar situation and we have both been fans of his ever since.
You guys should check out his monthly magazine if you haven't already. It's called In Touch and it's quite amazing. I get them delivered every month and it's completely free.
 
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You guys should check out his monthly magazine if you haven't already. It's called In Touch and it's quite amazing. I get them delivered every month and it's completely free.
Hey I'll try this, I do have the app too and I listen to his podcasts. Currently reading one of his books lol. Imma sign up for this magazine. Though, I don't think they delivery *free* to Singapore lol, maybe they do e-magazine (I hope!)
 
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Hey I'll try this, I do have the app too and I listen to his podcasts. Currently reading one of his books lol. Imma sign up for this magazine. Though, I don't think they delivery *free* to Singapore lol, maybe they do e-magazine (I hope!)
You can read the magazine here. :)

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