Is the Devil bound right now...?

[Ahwatukee]

Not exactly...

We are in the '1,000 year' period of reign right now.

Satan is currently bound.

Satan will be released for a short period after the present '1,000 year' period....of which, the end will come because he has regained unbridled authority to possess the leaders of nations.

Yeah, that is not the truth at all. This is the claim of those who are amillennialis/preterists. The problem with this claim is that none of the characteristics of the millennial period exist. When Satan is bound, he is restricted to the literal location of the Abyss. This is the same place that those demonic beings collectively called Legion begged Jesus not send them into. It is also the same place that those demonic beings are released from at the fifth trumpet. The point of Satan's binding in the Abyss during that literal thousand years is so that he cannot deceive the inhabitants of the earth any longer and that because he will be under the earth in the Abyss and will have no exposure to people whatsoever.

Also, during the millennial period, scripture is clear that Jesus will literally be ruling here on earth from Jerusalem fulfilling the prophecy of ruling from the throne of king David. The millennial period is a time of peach with the Lord ruling with an iron scepter. Some of the characteristics of the millennium are that prey and predator animals and their young will lie down together and a young child will lead them. A young child will put his hand into a snakes den and not be hurt at all. If a man only lives to be a hundred years old, he will be thought to be accursed. Also, if a man dies at a hundred he will be thought to be a mere child. These are just a few of the characteristics of the millennium and they do not currently exist. When have you seen a lion eat straw like the Ox? That's another one.

The only that you can make these claims is by spiritualizing prophesy. Before Satan can be bound, the chronological order of events is that the world will have to first go through the wrath of God, which is the day of the Lord and then Jesus will return to end the age, then, at that time Satan will be bound. All one has to do is look at the state of the world to realize that Satan is not bound.

 

[Bowman]

Yeah, that is not the truth at all. This is the claim of those who are amillennialis/preterists. The problem with this claim is that none of the characteristics of the millennial period exist. When Satan is bound, he is restricted to the literal location of the Abyss. This is the same place that those demonic beings collectively called Legion begged Jesus not send them into. It is also the same place that those demonic beings are released from at the fifth trumpet. The point of Satan's binding in the Abyss during that literal thousand years is so that he cannot deceive the inhabitants of the earth any longer and that because he will be under the earth in the Abyss and will have no exposure to people whatsoever.

Also, during the millennial period, scripture is clear that Jesus will literally be ruling here on earth from Jerusalem fulfilling the prophecy of ruling from the throne of king David. The millennial period is a time of peach with the Lord ruling with an iron scepter. Some of the characteristics of the millennium are that prey and predator animals and their young will lie down together and a young child will lead them. A young child will put his hand into a snakes den and not be hurt at all. If a man only lives to be a hundred years old, he will be thought to be accursed. Also, if a man dies at a hundred he will be thought to be a mere child. These are just a few of the characteristics of the millennium and they do not currently exist. When have you seen a lion eat straw like the Ox? That's another one.

The only that you can make these claims is by spiritualizing prophesy. Before Satan can be bound, the chronological order of events is that the world will have to first go through the wrath of God, which is the day of the Lord and then Jesus will return to end the age, then, at that time Satan will be bound. All one has to do is look at the state of the world to realize that Satan is not bound.

Show us with scripture...

 

[Ahwatukee]

Show us with scripture...

I could definitely provide the scriptures of all that I mentioned, but to proof that we are not currently living in the millennial period, one just as to look at the current state of the world. But I will provide the following:

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“Your Majesty looked, and there before you stood a large statue—an enormous, dazzling statue, awesome in appearance. The head of the statue was made of pure gold, its chest and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze, its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of baked clay. While you were watching, a rock was cut out, but not by human hands. It struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and smashed them. Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were all broken to pieces and became like chaff on a threshing floor in the summer. The wind swept them away without leaving a trace. But the rock that struck the statue became a huge mountain and filled the whole earth. (Dan.2:31-35, 44:45)

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The statue represents human government with the ten toed kingdom made of iron and partly baked clay being last kingdom/government on earth, which is yet future. The Rock cut out of the mountain without human hands is none other Jesus. The Rock/Jesus falls on the feet of the statue smashing the entire statue to pieces, which represents the end of all human government. Then the Rock/Jesus becomes a huge mountain (government) which fills the entire earth, which is his government during the millennial period.

By the way, your request for scripture is not needed and that because when has the nations of the world ever beaten their weapons of war into instruments of agriculture and have not trained for war any longer? The answer would be, never! When has lion ever eaten straw like the Ox? The answer again is never and therefore that characteristic must be for a yet future time. I could go on and on, but I know that those who have been taught the amillennialist view are very brainwashed into this belief. In their teaching all of the major biblical topics have been given a pre-packaged interpretation and so when one uses scripture to demonstrate the proof, the amellennialist ignores the context and just slaps on that pre-packaged interpretation that he was taught. Here's a good example of what I am talking about.

The amil proclaims that the thousand years is not a literal thousand years, but an unknown amount of time. One of the places that they get this idea from is Psalms 50:10 which says, "I own cattle on a thousand hills." So, since the number of cattle on a thousand hills is unknowable, he then applies this formula to the scripture in Revelation regarding Satan's binding while ignoring the context in revelation.

Preterism and amillennialism is one of the most destructive teachings there is in the world today.

 

[KennethC]

Not exactly...

We are in the '1,000 year' period of reign right now.

Satan is currently bound.

Satan will be released for a short period after the present '1,000 year' period....of which, the end will come because he has regained unbridled authority to possess the leaders of nations.

If we are in the 1,000 year millennial reign of Christ...........

A) When did His second coming taking place, because that takes place first ???

B) When did the great tribulation occur, because that also has to take place ??? It was no 70 AD, or the Holocaust

 

[tourist]

No, the devil is not currently bound as the 1000 year reign of Christ has not taken place.

 

[Cassian]

Job, then oldest book of the Bible, clearly shows animal death BEFORE the fall.

You can't scripturally prove otherwise.

Period.





Satan was defeated at The Second Death.

Your assertions hold no value. You can keep saying something but simply saying it does not make it a fact of scripture. You obviously have no support for your present opinion, which makes it totally invalid. Just another modern false teaching based on one man's opinion.

Scripture, as scripture has been understood from the beginning, has refuted your opinion. I gave you several texts and all you can do is revert to your opinion without even attempting to refute the texts I posted.
It simply does not align with your personal interpretation - opinion, I understand your position.

 

[KennethC]

Job, then oldest book of the Bible, clearly shows animal death BEFORE the fall.

You can't scripturally prove otherwise.

Period.





Satan was defeated at The Second Death.

You have worded here that satan was defeated at the second death, by wording it like that it seems you have the second death as a past tense already happened event. Am I reading that right ???

Because if that is the case that is wrong as the second death comes after the millennial reign, which you said earlier we are in now. That is wrong also as it shows Jesus will be here on earth during this time, so your understanding is out of sorts.

 

[Bowman]

The amil proclaims that the thousand years is not a literal thousand years, but an unknown amount of time. One of the places that they get this idea from is Psalms 50:10 which says, "I own cattle on a thousand hills." So, since the number of cattle on a thousand hills is unknowable, he then applies this formula to the scripture in Revelation regarding Satan's binding while ignoring the context in revelation.

Preterism and amillennialism is one of the most destructive teachings there is in the world today.

Like many things mentioned in the Book of Revelation, time passage is also recorded with varying epithets.

The ‘1,000 year reign’ of Christ (i.e. The First Resurrection) is the period of time commencing from the binding of Satan at the Cross until the final return of Christ. During this period of time, Satan is rendered impotent as far as possessing people – other than that of his demons, which are freely roaming.

Likewise, during this same period of time, mankind is allowed to populate the planet, spread the Gospel, and allow time for The Righteous to come to Christ.

The ‘1,000 years’ (Rev 20.2 – 7) is also referred to as ‘1260 days of prophecy’ (Rev 11.3); ‘1260 days of nourishment’ (Rev 12.6); ‘time, and times and half a time of nourishment’ (Rev 12.14); and ‘42 months’ (Rev 11.2; 13.5).

 

[Bowman]

If we are in the 1,000 year millennial reign of Christ...........

A) When did His second coming taking place, because that takes place first ???

Christ's final return occurs at the end of the present 1K reign.

B) When did the great tribulation occur, because that also has to take place ??? It was no 70 AD, or the Holocaust

We are in The Great Tribulation....however, no time increment was established in scripture...

 

[Bowman]

No, the devil is not currently bound as the 1000 year reign of Christ has not taken place.

We are in that period right now...

 

[Bowman]

You have worded here that satan was defeated at the second death, by wording it like that it seems you have the second death as a past tense already happened event. Am I reading that right ???

Because if that is the case that is wrong as the second death comes after the millennial reign, which you said earlier we are in now. That is wrong also as it shows Jesus will be here on earth during this time, so your understanding is out of sorts.

That is correct...the Second Death has not yet occurred...typo...

 

[Ahwatukee]

The ‘1,000 year reign’ of Christ (i.e. The First Resurrection)

The above is complete conjecture. Nowhere in scripture is the 1000 year reign referred to as being the first resurrection. Furthermore, the binding of Satan is a literal binding in the Abyss, as scripture demonstrates:

"Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven with the key to the bottomless pit[SUP]a[/SUP] and a heavy chain in his hand. He seized the dragon—that old serpent, who is the devil, Satan—and bound him in chains for a thousand years. The angel threw him into the bottomless pit, which he then shut and locked so Satan could not deceive the nations anymore until the thousand years were finished. Afterward he must be released for a little while."

If you read the above scripture at face value, that is, without spiritualizing it, it means exactly what it says. It is only when you distort it by spiritualizing it that it loses its original meaning.

Satan is rendered impotent as far as possessing people

Again, the above is not scriptural. What it does say is that Satan is thrown into the Abyss so that he could not deceive the nations anymore until the thousand years were finished. There is no mention of his binding referring to simply not being able to possess people. Again, this is just more conjecture.

The ‘1,000 years’ (Rev 20.2 – 7) is also referred to as ‘1260 days of prophecy’ (Rev 11.3); ‘1260 days of nourishment’ (Rev 12.6); ‘time, and times and half a time of nourishment’ (Rev 12.14); and ‘42 months’ (Rev 11.2; 13.5).

The thousand years is exactly that, a literal thousand years. The 1,260 days, a time, times and a half a time and forty-two months are all referring to the last 3 1/2 years of Daniel's seven year period. The abomination that causes the desolation will be set up in the middle of the seven which is the beginning of that last 1,260 days or 3 1/2 years. The 1,260 days has nothing to do with the thousand year period, as it takes place prior to the millennial period. Also, that last 3 1/2 years is anything but a time of nourishment, as Jesus referred to it as a time of great distress such as the world has not seen form beginning of creation, until now and never to be equaled again.

 

[Bowman]

The above is complete conjecture. Nowhere in scripture is the 1000 year reign referred to as being the first resurrection.

Observe the perfect match...


Rev 20.4 - 6

And I saw thrones, and they sat on them. And judgment was given to them, and the souls of the ones having been beheaded because of the witness of Jesus, and because of the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast nor its image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand. And they lived again and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were ended. This is the First Resurrection. Blessed and holy is the one having part in the First Resurrection. The Second Death has no authority over these, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him a thousand years.


First Resurrection:

· Satan is first bound (Rev 20.1 – 3). (i.e. by Jesus’ death upon the Cross).
· The Righteous are Resurrected during the ‘thousand year reign’ of Christ (Rev 20.4).

· The Righteous are also Resurrected at the end of the ‘thousand year reign’ of Christ (Rev 20.5).
· The First Resurrection encompasses The Righteous being resurrected all through the ‘thousand year reign’ of Christ.
· The Righteous are not Judged, rather, authority to Judge is given to them because they partake in the First Resurrection (Rev 20.4).



1 Cor 15.20 - 26

But now Christ has been raised from the dead; He became the firstfruit of those having fallen asleep. For since death is through man, also through a Man is a resurrection of the dead; for as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ, the firstfruit; afterward those of Christ at His coming.Then the end, after He delivers the kingdom to The God and Father, after He might render entirely idle (katargēsē) all rule and all authority and power.For it is right for Him to reign until He puts all the hostile ones under His feet;the last hostile thing made to cease is death.


The reader is informed of an ordered sequence of events:

·The First Resurrection: Christ first, then The Righteous at His return (i.e. at the end of His reign)
· Binding of Satan: The Devil (singular) is rendered entirely idle and occurs BEFORE the reign of Christ (i.e. at Jesus’ death upon the Cross)
· Reigning Period: There is a period of Christ reigning (i.e. 1,000 years, etc) until all the enemies (plural, demons) are conquered
· The Second Resurrection: (Second Death – when Satan & death are defeated). This is the end of time – which occurs AFTER Jesus has delivered up the kingdom and AFTER Jesus had first bound Satan.

 

[Bowman]

Furthermore, the binding of Satan is a literal binding in the Abyss, as scripture demonstrates:

"Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven with the key to the bottomless pit[SUP]a[/SUP] and a heavy chain in his hand. He seized the dragon—that old serpent, who is the devil, Satan—and bound him in chains for a thousand years. The angel threw him into the bottomless pit, which he then shut and locked so Satan could not deceive the nations anymore until the thousand years were finished. Afterward he must be released for a little while."

If you read the above scripture at face value, that is, without spiritualizing it, it means exactly what it says. It is only when you distort it by spiritualizing it that it loses its original meaning.

And I saw a Messenger coming down out of Heaven, having the key of the abyss, and a great chain on his hand. And he laid hold of the dragon, the old serpentwho is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, and threw him into the abyss, and shut him up, and sealed over him, that he should not still lead astray the nations, until the thousand years are fulfilled. And after these things, he must be set loose a little time. And I saw thrones, and they sat on them. And judgment was given to them, and the souls of the ones having been beheaded because of the witness of Jesus, and because of the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast nor its image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand. And they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (Rev 20.1 – 4)




By providing four epithets each to that of Jesus and that of Satan, Revelation informs the reader quite plainly that it was Jesus who bound The Devil.

 

[Bowman]

Again, the above is not scriptural. What it does say is that Satan is thrown into the Abyss so that he could not deceive the nations anymore until the thousand years were finished. There is no mention of his binding referring to simply not being able to possess people. Again, this is just more conjecture.

Heb 2.14 - 15

Since, then, the children have partaken of flesh and blood, in like manner He Himself also shared the same things, that through death He might render entirely idle (katargēsē)the one having the power of death, that is, the devil; and might set these free (apallaxē),asmany as by fear of deathwere subject to slavery through all the lifetime to live.

The reader is informed that at Jesus’ death:

· The Devil is rendered entirely idle (katargēsē)
· Because The Devil has been rendered impotent, this then sets people free (apallaxē)
· No mention that The Devil has been defeated, only bound

 

[Bowman]

The thousand years is exactly that, a literal thousand years. The 1,260 days, a time, times and a half a time and forty-two months are all referring to the last 3 1/2 years of Daniel's seven year period. The abomination that causes the desolation will be set up in the middle of the seven which is the beginning of that last 1,260 days or 3 1/2 years. The 1,260 days has nothing to do with the thousand year period, as it takes place prior to the millennial period. Also, that last 3 1/2 years is anything but a time of nourishment, as Jesus referred to it as a time of great distress such as the world has not seen form beginning of creation, until now and never to be equaled again.

Again...

Show us with scripture....NOT your opinion...

 

[Cassian]

Observe the perfect match...


Rev 20.4 - 6

And I saw thrones, and they sat on them. And judgment was given to them, and the souls of the ones having been beheaded because of the witness of Jesus, and because of the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast nor its image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand. And they lived again and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were ended. This is the First Resurrection. Blessed and holy is the one having part in the First Resurrection. The Second Death has no authority over these, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him a thousand years.


First Resurrection:

· Satan is first bound (Rev 20.1 – 3). (i.e. by Jesus’ death upon the Cross).
· The Righteous are Resurrected during the ‘thousand year reign’ of Christ (Rev 20.4).

· The Righteous are also Resurrected at the end of the ‘thousand year reign’ of Christ (Rev 20.5).
· The First Resurrection encompasses The Righteous being resurrected all through the ‘thousand year reign’ of Christ.
· The Righteous are not Judged, rather, authority to Judge is given to them because they partake in the First Resurrection (Rev 20.4).



1 Cor 15.20 - 26

But now Christ has been raised from the dead; He became the firstfruit of those having fallen asleep. For since death is through man, also through a Man is a resurrection of the dead; for as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ, the firstfruit; afterward those of Christ at His coming.Then the end, after He delivers the kingdom to The God and Father, after He might render entirely idle (katargēsē) all rule and all authority and power.For it is right for Him to reign until He puts all the hostile ones under His feet;the last hostile thing made to cease is death.


The reader is informed of an ordered sequence of events:

·The First Resurrection: Christ first, then The Righteous at His return (i.e. at the end of His reign)
· Binding of Satan: The Devil (singular) is rendered entirely idle and occurs BEFORE the reign of Christ (i.e. at Jesus’ death upon the Cross)
· Reigning Period: There is a period of Christ reigning (i.e. 1,000 years, etc) until all the enemies (plural, demons) are conquered
· The Second Resurrection: (Second Death – when Satan & death are defeated). This is the end of time – which occurs AFTER Jesus has delivered up the kingdom and AFTER Jesus had first bound Satan.

Almost but not quite. You still infer some man made theories in your statements.

I notice that you have incorporated I Cor 15:12-25 though I'm not sure you actually understand what it says.

I notice that more are being added to the poll numbers in the category of "not bound". At least you have that part correct. I'm wondering were are the other 5 that indicated he is bound besides you and I.

 

[Bowman]

Almost but not quite. You still infer some man made theories in your statements.

I notice that you have incorporated I Cor 15:12-25 though I'm not sure you actually understand what it says.

I notice that more are being added to the poll numbers in the category of "not bound". At least you have that part correct. I'm wondering were are the other 5 that indicated he is bound besides you and I.

Exegesis....or just more lip service...?

 

[Ahwatukee]

Again...

Show us with scripture....NOT your opinion..

Ok, are you ready? Here is the scripture:

"And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.

The above is scripture from Revelation and is not my own opinion, but is verbatim. If you will read it just as it is stated, there is only one interpretation and conclusion that you can come to . So let's break the scripture down:

* John sees an Angel coming down out of heaven
* The angel has the key to the Abyss and a great chain in his hand
* The angel seizes the dragon, who is that ancient serpent, the devil and Satan
* The angel binds Satan for a thousand years and throws him into the Abyss and locked and sealed it over him
* By throwing Satan into the Abyss, he is kept from deceiving the nations during that thousand years
* At the end of the thousand years, Satan is released

You wanted scripture and there it is. The only way that you can make that say anything other than what it says is to spiritualize it. If I have copied and pasted the actual scripture, then you cannot accuse me of claiming my own opinion. I pray to God that you will abandon the spiritualization of scripture and take it at face value.


If the literal sense makes good sense, then don't seek any other sense. Stop spiritualizing what is meant to be literal.

 

[Cassian]

Exegesis....or just more lip service...?

Scriptural, theological, and historical facts. Facts which you have been unable to refute. You state your opinion, but cannot produce any evidence regarding what you are stating. What good is exegesis when you cannot understand the meaning of the text. You are exhibiting the same denial in I Cor 15:22. Read carefully what it states and read it without your personal view clouding your understanding.

I'll give you a hint. Does it say Christ gave life by His death or by His resurrection? Granted, it was through death that is was accomplished, but death is NOT defeated simply by dying. The binding of Satan is all about ending his power of death.