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Boy oh boy. Here goes. You know, if people would just leave out their assumptions and their opinions and feelings, and just speak the truth, how much easier this would be.
Here's goes. I'll have to copy the brackets to break up your responses. I should have known.
Genesis 9:6. Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
Now Ken, watch this. Please. Your statement "Putting one to death does not fit under love..."
God gave the command to put to the death murderer. That's not love! God not love!
Jesus is teaching disciples. They are Jews. He is teaching them the spirit of the Law. It is a personal application of the Law. It has nothing to do with a Christian supporting the DP. Where's the connection?
Apply your conclusion of Matthew 5:38-42 to your support of life in prison!
Why? It's not my place to forgive Isis. I don't forgive them. You do? Jesus in the sermon on the mount is not making a new law that overrides principles expressed before, during, or after the Law.
Isis is never going to ask. Many on death row are not going to ask. If they ask, I probably wouldn't know. Regardless, if I forgive someone who murdered my family, that does not mean I am unforgiveable just because I support the DP.
Don't destroy Isis, they haven't asked for forgiveness yet. And when they ask of me, I must forgive. This is silly. Remember, there is the State and there is the individual. Okay.
Here's goes. I'll have to copy the brackets to break up your responses. I should have known.
1) Putting one to death does not fit under love, mercy, and forgiveness to the one who committed the sin
(I did answer this one already multiple times)
(I did answer this one already multiple times)
Now Ken, watch this. Please. Your statement "Putting one to death does not fit under love..."
God gave the command to put to the death murderer. That's not love! God not love!
Lord said no to an eye for eye, tooth for a tooth and if you look at Exodus 21:23-36 you will see that a life for a life is in that ordinance that Jesus is referring to in Matthew 5:38-42.
Apply your conclusion of Matthew 5:38-42 to your support of life in prison!
We are to show forgiveness to all who have sinned, as we were forgiven of ours.
(I answered this way before also)
(I answered this way before also)
We are to forgive when they ask for it, but that asking does not always happen right away and it is not our place to force an apology out of a person by shorting their lifespan. Going that route most of the time will most likely lead to a false confession just to get out of punishment. Real repentance must be given time to come from the heart !!!
Don't destroy Isis, they haven't asked for forgiveness yet. And when they ask of me, I must forgive. This is silly. Remember, there is the State and there is the individual. Okay.
Did the Lord have those in the bible such as Moses, David, and Paul put to death when they murdered ??? No, therefore repenting and being under grace by faith in the Lord releases one from the curse of the law !!![/QUTOE]
Unbelievable! Moses. He was in Egypt. It was Egypt's call to apply DP to Moses. David? Who told you David murdered? I asked that to Ace in the bunker, he never answered it. Who told you David committed adultery? Otherwise, what are you referring to?
Someone did. That's right. We'll see.
I have never murdered. I am not guilty of murder. Not in the distorted sense you think I am. I was never obligated to keep the Sabbath.
Even if I were guilty as you suggest, and then forgiven, my forgiveness from God would not make void or nullify Genesis 9:6.
No, should you put me away for life. You know. Life in prison!
I do not base my support for the death penalty on the curse of the Law. That's your error in your assumption and your tweaking of the Law as if it were to apply to the secular state.
Question: Did you read verses 28-32 of Matthew 5? That's your pretext. Are you willing to apply them as you do the other verses you quoted from that same text?
Unbelievable! Moses. He was in Egypt. It was Egypt's call to apply DP to Moses. David? Who told you David murdered? I asked that to Ace in the bunker, he never answered it. Who told you David committed adultery? Otherwise, what are you referring to?
highlighted your number 5 because that is your assumption, not mine, because I never said keeping a murderer alive shows love to the victims family.
What I said is that keeping them alive shows love, mercy, and forgiveness to the one who committed the murder.
Please do not twist my words to say something I didn't, and again love must be shown to both the victim/victims family and the one who committed the murder/sin. You can not do away with one over the other or you are disobeying the Lord to show love and mercy to all, and to forgive those who sin as you have been forgiven.
Please do not twist my words to say something I didn't, and again love must be shown to both the victim/victims family and the one who committed the murder/sin. You can not do away with one over the other or you are disobeying the Lord to show love and mercy to all, and to forgive those who sin as you have been forgiven.
Once again have you committed adultery (this includes just looking lustfully at another woman), have you murdered (this includes showing hatred to another), have you worked on the Sabbath, and have you broken any other commandments or laws that required the death penalty in the OT ???
Even if I were guilty as you suggest, and then forgiven, my forgiveness from God would not make void or nullify Genesis 9:6.
Should we put you or the rest of us in the electric chair or lethal injection then and be killed ???
If not why ???
If not why ???
For if the curse of the law still applies to this one sin why does it not apply to the others ???
Question: Did you read verses 28-32 of Matthew 5? That's your pretext. Are you willing to apply them as you do the other verses you quoted from that same text?
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