Homosexuality is not a choice!!!!

[PeacefulWarrior]

Just because you chose to be "Straight" means nothing.

How many times a day do you lie? How many times a day do you Lusts? How many times a day do you Hate?

You do have sins in your life that are beyond your control. Everybody has sins in their life that they just cannot stop doing.

You are no different PeacefulWarrior.

Before you point out the sins of the Gay people you need to stop your sinning first. This is what the Pharisees did in the old days. They actually pointed out how great they were for not sinning like the other people.

Who died and made you "GOD" PeacefulWarrior?

Sounds to me you have put yourself above everybody, even God.

So what "Sins" are you guilty of PeacefulWarrior, or do you consider yourself sinless?

My response was to Eva's statement:

No one can choose to just be attracted to a certain gender.

Really? I disagree. What makes you say this?

I choose to be straight everyday.

If either of you (KenAllan & Mec99) expect a response from me, come again, because your words are not well received.

I am hoping that either you both have completely misunderstood my question and response to Eva's statement, or I have completely misunderstood both of your comments -- or both!

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

I actually liked what you said, Peacefulwarrior, on choosing to be straight.

One may deal with temptation, but they can still make the choice to be straight.

Haha, I like this, and will use it in the future

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Before you point out the sins of the Gay people you need to stop your sinning first. This is what the Pharisees did in the old days. They actually pointed out how great they were for not sinning like the other people.

Actually, this is bologna. No one can be sinless, so we can't stop sinning in order to confront others with their sin.

What we can do is come to them humbly. That was the Pharisees' great sin -- pride. They believed they kept the letter or the Law, and as such were sinless and righteous. But they didn't keep the spirit of the Law, which is expressed in Jesus' command to "love God ... love others" in 22:37-39 and Luke 10:27. That was their downfall.

We can love and still sin -- and we do it all the time. If you think you don't sin, you need to take a fresh look at yourself.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

We struggle with sin, and most of us fall again even after coming to Christ. But there is a difference between once again coming to Christ and repenting for falling into the same wrong doing you repented from earlier, and saying "Oh its cool, Im covered by Grace" and continuing to live in your sins. Its like Ken pointed out, liars will be cast into hell. And yes, every single one of us is liar. That is why we are saved by His grace. But, how many of us believe that we can then continue going on lying? Christ makes it clear, those who go on living in their sins cannot be saved.


We fall, and when we do we must repent. But we cannot just do whatever we please. That is what those of us who struggle with homosexuality need to learn from Christ.

EDIT: Well all of us, actually But this is about homosexuality

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

What's truly interesting is that the OP got banned over two months ago, and this thread with it's stupid title lives on.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

What's truly interesting is that the OP got banned over two months ago, and this thread with it's stupid title lives on.

I'm noticing this a lot here, old threads initiated by banned or inactive users and members still going at each other's throats!

I made a statement, that I think it is best for me to leave this website.
Others asked me to reconsider and pray about it.
I'm still considering and praying -- presently still leaning towards leaving.

 

[Mec99]

Just because a person is "straight" does NOT mean he can lust after each Female he see's. I know many people who claim to be a Christian who Lusts after Females day and night and see nothing wrong with it.

Its interesting how some Christians can condemn the sins of others while defending their sins!

Your Catholicism is showing PeacefulWarrior.

If you want to leave this site then leave. If you have a problem with hearing the Truth in the Scriptures then you need to leave. If you want to hear the Truth and learn then stay.

This site is for discussions and debates. Its not all about you PeacefulWarrior.

I have been in many debates and many discussions on what is the Truth. I have lost some and i have won some. But you do not see me crying about it and threatening to leave just because a few feathers of mine got ruffled.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Just because a person is "straight" does NOT mean he can lust after each Female he see's. I know many people who claim to be a Christian who Lusts after Females day and night and see nothing wrong with it.

Its interesting how some Christians can condemn the sins of others while defending their sins!

Your Catholicism is showing PeacefulWarrior.

If you want to leave this site then leave. If you have a problem with hearing the Truth in the Scriptures then you need to leave. If you want to hear the Truth and learn then stay.

This site is for discussions and debates. Its not all about you PeacefulWarrior.

I have been in many debates and many discussions on what is the Truth. I have lost some and i have won some. But you do not see me crying about it and threatening to leave just because a few feathers of mine got ruffled.

You know not what you are talking about.

So please clarify.

Just because a person is "straight" does NOT mean he can lust after each Female he see's. I know many people who claim to be a Christian who Lusts after Females day and night and see nothing wrong with it.

- Not me. Never said this -- why did you?

Its interesting how some Christians can condemn the sins of others while defending their sins!

- Is it? Who's doing this? Where'd you see it? Are you accusing me of doing so? How did you arrive at this assumption from what I have said?

Your Catholicism is showing PeacefulWarrior.

- Huh?

If you want to leave this site then leave. If you have a problem with hearing the Truth in the Scriptures then you need to leave. If you want to hear the Truth and learn then stay

- It's obvious, that you have no idea why I am considering leaving. Do you care to know -- or are you comfortable in your own assumptions?

This site is for discussions and debates. Its not all about you PeacefulWarrior.

- Yep, I know... wondering why you said this as well. Care to explain?

I have been in many debates and many discussions on what is the Truth. I have lost some and i have won some. But you do not see me crying about it and threatening to leave just because a few feathers of mine got ruffled.

- I'm not crying because I "lost" a debate. Check your facts, then come again.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Just because a person is "straight" does NOT mean he can lust after each Female he see's. I know many people who claim to be a Christian who Lusts after Females day and night and see nothing wrong with it.

This is totally true, and something I try to share with people when talking about homosexuality. Their is confusion with this, those who are living that life often believe that they have to ignore these urges, but straight people have a free pass to do whatever they want. Gods word is self restraint, even when it comes to married couples the bible talks about self restraint. There is no acceptable way to be lustful and "passionate" in the bible.

I think thats a part of the bible we need to share more often

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

This is totally true, and something I try to share with people when talking about homosexuality. Their is confusion with this, those who are living that life often believe that they have to ignore these urges, but straight people have a free pass to do whatever they want. Gods word is self restraint, even when it comes to married couples the bible talks about self restraint. There is no acceptable way to be lustful and "passionate" in the bible.

I think thats a part of the bible we need to share more often

In my day (when I was in public schools) homosexual relationships were still taboo. I pretty much avoided "suspicious" people. So, I've never met anyone who's "struggled" with this. I've met people who've "accepted" this lifestyle. But never have I run into anyone on a regular basis who struggles with this issue.

So, anyway, I agree!

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Well I use the word struggle as the struggle for temptation for one, which we all deal with, and like when you arent strenghtened, you do fall down alot, so it is a battle. I mean, even letting yourself consider doing the sin is equal to going out and acting on it, you know what I mean? And thats a challenge there.


And also, when you first start to come from that life, like when you first leave sin, even when you are shown hell in order to warn you, its not totally like you leave that life and feel totally upbeat and happy about it, there is some endurance and even a kind of sadness at first, so the first steps to following Christ are difficult in a way, and I consider that the biggest struggle, coming to understand God in a world that is trying hard to lead you away from Him.


Theres a verse about this, actually. Lemme see if I can find it.......

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Ack, I cant find it anywhere. Its like about when we first repent of our sins and turn away from them, it says like "when we first leave our sins we feel not joy, but sorrow. But with time comes endurance, which leads to strength, which leads to the peace of mind of righteousness" or something like that >.> I only vaguely remember it, but its helpful for this situation.

Im posting this in order for someone more wise than me to come in and give me the verse

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Ack, I cant find it anywhere. Its like about when we first repent of our sins and turn away from them, it says like "when we first leave our sins we feel not joy, but sorrow. But with time comes endurance, which leads to strength, which leads to the peace of mind of righteousness" or something like that >.> I only vaguely remember it, but its helpful for this situation.

Im posting this in order for someone more wise than me to come in and give me the verse

Romans 5? (I ain't claiming to be wiser.)
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans 5:3-5

NIV uses "suffering"

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans 5:3-5&version=NIV

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Haha, its not the one I was shown, but its a good one yeah

 

[Patnubay]

Just because you chose to be "Straight" means nothing.

How many times a day do you lie? How many times a day do you Lusts? How many times a day do you Hate?

You do have sins in your life that are beyond your control. Everybody has sins in their life that they just cannot stop doing.

You are no different PeacefulWarrior.

Before you point out the sins of the Gay people you need to stop your sinning first. This is what the Pharisees did in the old days. They actually pointed out how great they were for not sinning like the other people.

This is not about anybody not committing a sin or pointing a finger to who is a sinner and who is not. This is also not about "lying" being a sin nor acting like a Pharisee. This is about some people here justifying the sin of homosexuality by claiming it is not their choice hence it is not their sin. And this is rubbish. If you practice homosexuality then you're a sinner. Plain and simple.

 

[Mec99]

Hebrews 12:1-2
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

I found this verse.

 

[Mec99]

Just because a person is "straight" does not give them the the right to "lust" after Women because after all they are not Gay.

 

[AceMichaels]

Just because a person is "straight" does not give them the the right to "lust" after Women because after all they are not Gay.

I don't understand what you are saying here

 

[Mec99]

What i am saying is that the "straight" people hate the Gay people and try to justify their hate by saying they are "straight" and not Gay. But yet these same "straight" people see nothing wrong with their sin of Lust when they Lust after the women they see.

In other words these straight people need to remove the log in their eyes first!

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

What i am saying is that the "straight" people hate the Gay people and try to justify their hate by saying they are "straight" and not Gay. But yet these same "straight" people see nothing wrong with their sin of Lust when they Lust after the women they see.

In other words these straight people need to remove the log in their eyes first!

So is that what you assumed by my previous comment -- hatred?

I wasn't hating on anyone -- I was simply stating a fact. That fact being: I choose to be straight, every day. I was responding to those who think homosexuality is not a choice. I believe it is -- this doesn't mean I hate those who believe otherwise. In fact -- consider it an invitation to debate my view.

But Mec99, you didn't debate my view -- you assumed that I was being hateful and commenced your...hateful attack(s).