Scriptures that prove the post trib rapture.
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Sorry, I don't think that will ever happen. I'm not Roman Catholic.
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Matthew 25:10 says
while they went to buy oil the Bridegroom came and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding and the door was shut
Luke 12: 35 says
You yourselves be like men who wait for their Master when He will return from the wedding that when He comes and knocks they may open to Him immediately
The first event happens at Midnight (Matthew 25:6)
The second event happens at second watch or third watch (Luke 12:38)
From the above two verses it is clear that Christ comes as the Bridegroom to take the bride for wedding and then He will return from the wedding to take the rest
while they went to buy oil the Bridegroom came and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding and the door was shut
Luke 12: 35 says
You yourselves be like men who wait for their Master when He will return from the wedding that when He comes and knocks they may open to Him immediately
The first event happens at Midnight (Matthew 25:6)
The second event happens at second watch or third watch (Luke 12:38)
From the above two verses it is clear that Christ comes as the Bridegroom to take the bride for wedding and then He will return from the wedding to take the rest
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Just because God is going to KEEP us from the wrath to come ,does NOT in and of itself prove pre trib rapture. God kept Noah and his family from the flood ,but did NOT take them out of this world. God kept Lot from the destruction of Sodam and Gomorah, but did NOT take him out of this world. God kept the Israelites from the plagues in Egypt, and from Pharaoh's wrath, but He lead them THROUGH it, he did NOT take them out of it. Is your God not powerful enough to take you through the tribulation and wrath of that time, (think Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednigo ) Also think Ro. 8:35-39 (tribulation, persecution, things present, and things to come, etc. ) NOTHING shall separate us from the Love of God thru Christ! God keeping us from the wrath to come does NOT prove pre trib rapture. Forget what you have been taught thru denominational TRADITION, God said the Holy Spirit would be our teacher, and we would have NO need for man to teach us. Simply read the scriptures and allow the Holy Spirit, to lead you and teach you. You CANNOT rely on man, man can, and has gotten it wrong, despite their teachings and credentials. satan is transformed into an angel of light and there is NO man that is above being deceived. Stick with what the scriptures say, NOT what some man tells you that HE thinks they say. Study to show thy self approved!!! Thank You and God Bless you all
Plainly put,the Bible says that the saints will not be gathered unto Christ until there is a falling away first,and the man of sin steps in to the temple of God,and claims to be God,and then rules over the beast kingdom,and makes war against the saints,which the Bible says the saints shall be given in to his hands for three and one half years.
The reason for this is,as long as the world can repent of their sins,God will not take His children,and for the first half of the 7 years tribulation they can repent of their sins,but when they take the mark then salvation is no longer available to them,and God can take His children,but God also allows the beast kingdom to make war against the saints,which the Bible says when they shall scatter the power of the holy people,then all the things are finished,and the man of sin shall destroy the mighty,and holy people(Daniel 8:23-27).
The saints being on the earth is the truth on the earth,for if the saints are gone pre-trib,then the truth is gone during the tribulation,but the Bible says the man of sin casts the truth to the ground(Daniel 8:12),but if the saints are gone there is no truth to cast down,and when he addresses the world,that he has the answer to solve the world's problems,and provide peace,he blasphemes God,and His tabernacle,but if the saints are gone there would be no need to do that,because the truth will be gone,which he is telling the world do not follow that pesky Christian religion,for there is no personal God to help you,and no prosperity there,in an attempt to get as many people as possible to take the mark.
Some people use the reasoning that God is love,and would not allow the saints to go through the tribulation,but that logic is faulty,because if they say that,then God would of not allowed any saint to be persecuted all through the history of the Church,because persecution is persecution.It is not going to more hurtful in the tribulation,and not more suffering on an individual basis,but when Jesus said that there would be persecution like there never has been on earth,it does not mean it will be worse for an individual saint,than what saints have went through in the past,but it will be on a bigger level,for it will be the saints worldwide being persecuted,and not in certain areas like now.
Like Jesus said when He resurrects to heaven the saints will do greater miracles than Him,but how do you out do Jesus on an individual level,but it means when Jesus resurrects to heaven,it will be on a bigger level,for the saints will impact the world,where Jesus was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel.This greater persecution is not more hurtful,but on a greater level.
Besides it is called persecution during the tribulation,which has to refer to the saints,not the world,because the world is following the beast kingdom.The world's not being persecuted for they are together going against the saints.The tribulation is concerning the saints being persecuted,not tribulation for the world.
The reason for this is,as long as the world can repent of their sins,God will not take His children,and for the first half of the 7 years tribulation they can repent of their sins,but when they take the mark then salvation is no longer available to them,and God can take His children,but God also allows the beast kingdom to make war against the saints,which the Bible says when they shall scatter the power of the holy people,then all the things are finished,and the man of sin shall destroy the mighty,and holy people(Daniel 8:23-27).
The saints being on the earth is the truth on the earth,for if the saints are gone pre-trib,then the truth is gone during the tribulation,but the Bible says the man of sin casts the truth to the ground(Daniel 8:12),but if the saints are gone there is no truth to cast down,and when he addresses the world,that he has the answer to solve the world's problems,and provide peace,he blasphemes God,and His tabernacle,but if the saints are gone there would be no need to do that,because the truth will be gone,which he is telling the world do not follow that pesky Christian religion,for there is no personal God to help you,and no prosperity there,in an attempt to get as many people as possible to take the mark.
Some people use the reasoning that God is love,and would not allow the saints to go through the tribulation,but that logic is faulty,because if they say that,then God would of not allowed any saint to be persecuted all through the history of the Church,because persecution is persecution.It is not going to more hurtful in the tribulation,and not more suffering on an individual basis,but when Jesus said that there would be persecution like there never has been on earth,it does not mean it will be worse for an individual saint,than what saints have went through in the past,but it will be on a bigger level,for it will be the saints worldwide being persecuted,and not in certain areas like now.
Like Jesus said when He resurrects to heaven the saints will do greater miracles than Him,but how do you out do Jesus on an individual level,but it means when Jesus resurrects to heaven,it will be on a bigger level,for the saints will impact the world,where Jesus was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel.This greater persecution is not more hurtful,but on a greater level.
Besides it is called persecution during the tribulation,which has to refer to the saints,not the world,because the world is following the beast kingdom.The world's not being persecuted for they are together going against the saints.The tribulation is concerning the saints being persecuted,not tribulation for the world.
Paul said THE dead in Christ will rise and then WE which are ALIVE AND REMAIN=all the saints...there is no such thing as a split rapture! Jesus also said that for the sake of the elect (those chosen in Christ) that he would step in early so there would be some FLESH LEFT ALIVE<--goes to Paul's statement about WE which are ALIVE and REMAIN!
No offence, but the only one with problems is you friend.....
1. Jesus was not raptured he ASCENDED
2. Only two groups called first fruits....Jesus and the 144,000 who are listed in 2 and only two locations when John wrote Revelation....in heaven following the Lord withersoever he goes and on Mount ZION when HE is on Mount ZION..show two verses in in context that state that the patriarchs were (raptured)
3. The main harvest is listed in Matthew 24, Luke 21, Mark 13, 1st Thessalonians, 1st Corinthians, 2nd Thessalonians and it is placed AFTER the GREAT tribulation of THOSE days....
4. Corners and gleaners....what fantasy land are you living in.....EVEN the parable of the tares and wheat places the gathering AFTER GOD begins to move against the TARES.....there is ONLY 1 GENERAL resurrection and in gathering of the saints of God...Blessed is he that hath part in the 1st resurrection<---Revelation 20.......!
5. The two witnesses are resurrected and taken up at the end of the Great tribulation (my view) they are Elijah and Enoch and as two saints found under the law must die before the resurrection and will die prior to the general resurrection and be brought back with the saints that have died in Christ<--the dead in Christ will rise first..
Look...I used to believe in the immanent return as that is what I had always been taught.....then after 25 years of study I changed my mind....no one will change my stance as the bible teaches a post tribulation resurrection/change at the 7th trump...now if you are open to learning and instruction, read my 212 page book in my blog on this site and then tell me I have problems....
1. Jesus was not raptured he ASCENDED
2. Only two groups called first fruits....Jesus and the 144,000 who are listed in 2 and only two locations when John wrote Revelation....in heaven following the Lord withersoever he goes and on Mount ZION when HE is on Mount ZION..show two verses in in context that state that the patriarchs were (raptured)
3. The main harvest is listed in Matthew 24, Luke 21, Mark 13, 1st Thessalonians, 1st Corinthians, 2nd Thessalonians and it is placed AFTER the GREAT tribulation of THOSE days....
4. Corners and gleaners....what fantasy land are you living in.....EVEN the parable of the tares and wheat places the gathering AFTER GOD begins to move against the TARES.....there is ONLY 1 GENERAL resurrection and in gathering of the saints of God...Blessed is he that hath part in the 1st resurrection<---Revelation 20.......!
5. The two witnesses are resurrected and taken up at the end of the Great tribulation (my view) they are Elijah and Enoch and as two saints found under the law must die before the resurrection and will die prior to the general resurrection and be brought back with the saints that have died in Christ<--the dead in Christ will rise first..
Look...I used to believe in the immanent return as that is what I had always been taught.....then after 25 years of study I changed my mind....no one will change my stance as the bible teaches a post tribulation resurrection/change at the 7th trump...now if you are open to learning and instruction, read my 212 page book in my blog on this site and then tell me I have problems....
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall ever be with the Lord.There are two main things I would like you to notice about this verse. First that the dead in Christ rise first. This is important because, there will be scripture use later that speaks of the resurrection of the just happening at the second coming, and we need to realize that the living will not precede the dead but will be caught up after them.Scripture says caught up together and you say caught up after. Which should I believe? Dead in Christ shall rise first, some 1000 years before they that are out of Christ.
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