Scriptures that prove the post trib rapture.
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Acts 14:22
strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying, “We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God.”
Romans 5:3
And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance;
2 Corinthians 1:4
who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God.
Revelation 7:14
And I said to him, “Sir, you know.” So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
He is describing the pretrib rapture, not the second advent.
You keep saying "easily proven". Please provide your proof.
Rev 20 takes place after Armageddon.
1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3) And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5) But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6) Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7) And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8) And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9) And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
...then comes the white throne judgment.
It will happen after armageddon, the battle at the end of the trib.
After this:
7) And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8) And shall go out to deceive the nations...
9) ...and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
the devil is destroyed, and the great white throne judgment, when ALL the dead not yet raised will get up. Everyone who was not a believer will be judged, with many being tossed into the lake of fire and burned up.
Then comes the new heaven and earth (Rev 21).
You are trying to compare the "last trump" in 1 Cor 15 with the seventh trumpet in Rev. They are not the same. When Christ returns for the church, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God:". The trump of God here indicates an announcement, similar to the call to race at the Kentucky Derby, or bugling "charge" at the start of a battle. Then 1 Cor 15 " at the last trump". IE: when the announcing trumpet ceases. Then the dead in Christ will rise, and the living will be changed. Again, the last trump in 1 Cor 15 is NOT the seventh trumpet in Rev.
After the last trumpet in Rev comes the bowls, Christ's second advent, armageddon, and the millennial kingdom.
Not us. We'll be gone. We can surely learn from it, though.
Not if you understand WHEN it is going to happen. Obviously, if we are in it now, it CANNOT be a literal thousand years. ~2000 years have passed. But the millennial kingdom is still FUTURE, and it will be 1000 years long.
How does this prove it will not be an earthly reign? Zone, man's final dwelling place will be the earth. "The meek will inherit the earth". I'm not going to take the time to locate them right now, but the OT has MANY references to the millennial kingdom. It was part of Israel's hope. "swords into plowshares", the sower will be chasing the reaper out of the fields (lots of food), live in safety, etc, etc. This will all take place on the earth, with Christ ruling with a "rod of iron", in the millennial kingdom.
He's not referring to THE trib, but that he was experiencing tribulation, being in prison and all. And Christians will be present in the kingdom.
Yes, the Lord's Day (Christ returning to earth as K of K and L of L) comes after the apostacy and the trib.
In 1 Thes, the "coming of the Lord" is the rapture, not the second advent. We meet him in the air. At this time he is NOT returning to earth. He is coming to gather the Christian Church.
This brings up a different subject..... Dead people are dead, not "with the Lord". But yes, after the dead have been raised, they will be reunited with any people still living. This is a resurrection for Christians, not the resurrection of the just spoken about in Rev 20.
It IS the pretrib rapture.
No, because we'll be with Christ.
Rev 20 is not fables. It will happen.
No, it isn't. The rapture pertains to the Christian Church. The second advent was prophesied long before anyone knew anything about this administration of grace, the mystery, Christianity.
Yep. To Israel. Christians will have already been judged.
The "prince that shall come" in v26, 27 is the antichrist.
Bless, zonester
You keep saying "easily proven". Please provide your proof.
Rev 20 takes place after Armageddon.
1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3) And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5) But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6) Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7) And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8) And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9) And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
...then comes the white throne judgment.
It will happen after armageddon, the battle at the end of the trib.
After this:
7) And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8) And shall go out to deceive the nations...
9) ...and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
the devil is destroyed, and the great white throne judgment, when ALL the dead not yet raised will get up. Everyone who was not a believer will be judged, with many being tossed into the lake of fire and burned up.
Then comes the new heaven and earth (Rev 21).
You are trying to compare the "last trump" in 1 Cor 15 with the seventh trumpet in Rev. They are not the same. When Christ returns for the church, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God:". The trump of God here indicates an announcement, similar to the call to race at the Kentucky Derby, or bugling "charge" at the start of a battle. Then 1 Cor 15 " at the last trump". IE: when the announcing trumpet ceases. Then the dead in Christ will rise, and the living will be changed. Again, the last trump in 1 Cor 15 is NOT the seventh trumpet in Rev.
After the last trumpet in Rev comes the bowls, Christ's second advent, armageddon, and the millennial kingdom.
Not us. We'll be gone. We can surely learn from it, though.
Not if you understand WHEN it is going to happen. Obviously, if we are in it now, it CANNOT be a literal thousand years. ~2000 years have passed. But the millennial kingdom is still FUTURE, and it will be 1000 years long.
How does this prove it will not be an earthly reign? Zone, man's final dwelling place will be the earth. "The meek will inherit the earth". I'm not going to take the time to locate them right now, but the OT has MANY references to the millennial kingdom. It was part of Israel's hope. "swords into plowshares", the sower will be chasing the reaper out of the fields (lots of food), live in safety, etc, etc. This will all take place on the earth, with Christ ruling with a "rod of iron", in the millennial kingdom.
He's not referring to THE trib, but that he was experiencing tribulation, being in prison and all. And Christians will be present in the kingdom.
Yes, the Lord's Day (Christ returning to earth as K of K and L of L) comes after the apostacy and the trib.
In 1 Thes, the "coming of the Lord" is the rapture, not the second advent. We meet him in the air. At this time he is NOT returning to earth. He is coming to gather the Christian Church.
This brings up a different subject..... Dead people are dead, not "with the Lord". But yes, after the dead have been raised, they will be reunited with any people still living. This is a resurrection for Christians, not the resurrection of the just spoken about in Rev 20.
It IS the pretrib rapture.
No, because we'll be with Christ.
Rev 20 is not fables. It will happen.
No, it isn't. The rapture pertains to the Christian Church. The second advent was prophesied long before anyone knew anything about this administration of grace, the mystery, Christianity.
Yep. To Israel. Christians will have already been judged.
The "prince that shall come" in v26, 27 is the antichrist.
Bless, zonester
a perfect summary of dispensational theology.
complete with all the gaps and the Plan B church.
sorry shroom....you been had. this is classic Kabbalistic Scofieldism.
'jewish' fables.
the hebrew prophecies were pictoral...always. everything they prophesied finds its fulfillment IN CHRIST.
[The apostate Pharisees hit restart on eschatology.
can't talk about that part here....see me in Reynolds Wrap Land to find out how they did it]
the church hasn't been a mystery for 2000 years. it was never really a mystery.
the OT says all over the place that the NATIONS (gentiles) would inherit eternal life also. but more than that, that there would be NO DIFFERENCE whatsoever.
this is NO suprise to God, He didn't postpone the Kingdom, He didn't make a Plan B gentile church.
the transition from the old Covenant to the New is NO SURPRISE AT ALL! but some won't accept it.
the only part PAUL revealed clearly once for all without any equivocation was:
New International Version(©1984)
This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.
New Living Translation(©2007)
And this is God's plan: Both Gentiles and Jews who believe the Good News share equally in the riches inherited by God's children. Both are part of the same body, and both enjoy the promise of blessings because they belong to Christ Jesus.
English Standard Version(©2001)
This mystery is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs, members of the same body, and partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel.
New American Standard Bible(©1995)
to be specific, that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel
the Church is believing Israel expanded to include people from every kindred tribe and nation, THE ISRAEL OF GOD.
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let's see what Jesus said about 'DISPENSATIONS'. do not forget these are HIS VERY OWN WORDS.
two passages for now.
He only ever mentioned TWO "dispensations": please look at it until you see it.
Matthew 12:32
New International Version(©1984)
Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
New Living Translation(©2007)
Anyone who speaks against the Son of Man can be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, either in this world or in the world to come.
English Standard Version(©2001)
And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
THEN......if this isn't clear, we have a very very serious problem:
Mark 10:30
New International Version(©1984)
will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age (homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields--and with them, persecutions) and in the age to come, eternal life.
New Living Translation(©2007)
will receive now in return a hundred times as many houses, brothers, sisters, mothers, children, and property--along with persecution. And in the world to come that person will have eternal life.
English Standard Version(©2001)
who will not receive a hundredfold now in this time, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions, and in the age to come eternal life.
New American Standard Bible(©1995)
but that he will receive a hundred times as much now in the present age, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and farms, along with persecutions; and in the age to come, eternal life.
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life
HOW MANY WORLDS/ages/dispensations?
complete with all the gaps and the Plan B church.
sorry shroom....you been had. this is classic Kabbalistic Scofieldism.
'jewish' fables.
the hebrew prophecies were pictoral...always. everything they prophesied finds its fulfillment IN CHRIST.
[The apostate Pharisees hit restart on eschatology.
can't talk about that part here....see me in Reynolds Wrap Land to find out how they did it]
the church hasn't been a mystery for 2000 years. it was never really a mystery.
the OT says all over the place that the NATIONS (gentiles) would inherit eternal life also. but more than that, that there would be NO DIFFERENCE whatsoever.
this is NO suprise to God, He didn't postpone the Kingdom, He didn't make a Plan B gentile church.
the transition from the old Covenant to the New is NO SURPRISE AT ALL! but some won't accept it.
the only part PAUL revealed clearly once for all without any equivocation was:
New International Version(©1984)
This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.
New Living Translation(©2007)
And this is God's plan: Both Gentiles and Jews who believe the Good News share equally in the riches inherited by God's children. Both are part of the same body, and both enjoy the promise of blessings because they belong to Christ Jesus.
English Standard Version(©2001)
This mystery is that the Gentiles are fellow heirs, members of the same body, and partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel.
New American Standard Bible(©1995)
to be specific, that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel
the Church is believing Israel expanded to include people from every kindred tribe and nation, THE ISRAEL OF GOD.
~
let's see what Jesus said about 'DISPENSATIONS'. do not forget these are HIS VERY OWN WORDS.
two passages for now.
He only ever mentioned TWO "dispensations": please look at it until you see it.
Matthew 12:32
New International Version(©1984)
Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
New Living Translation(©2007)
Anyone who speaks against the Son of Man can be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, either in this world or in the world to come.
English Standard Version(©2001)
And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
THEN......if this isn't clear, we have a very very serious problem:
Mark 10:30
New International Version(©1984)
will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age (homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields--and with them, persecutions) and in the age to come, eternal life.
New Living Translation(©2007)
will receive now in return a hundred times as many houses, brothers, sisters, mothers, children, and property--along with persecution. And in the world to come that person will have eternal life.
English Standard Version(©2001)
who will not receive a hundredfold now in this time, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions, and in the age to come eternal life.
New American Standard Bible(©1995)
but that he will receive a hundred times as much now in the present age, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and farms, along with persecutions; and in the age to come, eternal life.
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life
HOW MANY WORLDS/ages/dispensations?
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hi buddy.
Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
TITUS
JESUS
Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
TITUS
JESUS
Hi Ananda,
The first three are referring to tribulations/headaches/persecutions we go through in our daily lives as we stand for Christ.
2 Tim 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
The last one is talking about "the great tribulation", as it says. It's purpose it God's judgment upon Israel, as prophesied in the OT.
Jer 30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
Eze 38: 19, 20 Zech 7:12
The first three are referring to tribulations/headaches/persecutions we go through in our daily lives as we stand for Christ.
2 Tim 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
The last one is talking about "the great tribulation", as it says. It's purpose it God's judgment upon Israel, as prophesied in the OT.
Jer 30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
Eze 38: 19, 20 Zech 7:12
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they are the same tribulation,
or do you think only those who under go what you refer to as "the great tribulation" will get those white robes?
the whole separate Israel thing is not Biblical. Jesus is the root and all others are branches, either Natural (israel) or wild (gentiles) to say otherwise is to say Jesus is not the root for both and He has not ONE People but Two and the Bible just does NOT support that, though men will try and twist it so that it does.
or do you think only those who under go what you refer to as "the great tribulation" will get those white robes?
the whole separate Israel thing is not Biblical. Jesus is the root and all others are branches, either Natural (israel) or wild (gentiles) to say otherwise is to say Jesus is not the root for both and He has not ONE People but Two and the Bible just does NOT support that, though men will try and twist it so that it does.
It's not me who calls it "the great tribulation", it's God (Rev 7:14). And it IS different from the trials, tribulations, and persecutions we go through as Christians. Read about the seals, trumpets and bowls. There's some very unpleasant stuff coming. The stuff we go through is squat compared to what's ahead for those going through the tribulation.
Matt 24:21) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
It most certainly is biblical. Jesus Christ came to Israel.
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Rom 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision..
Both of his comings to earth were prophesied for Israel, and they will be for Israel.
This entire timeperiod we are now living in was not known about in the OT or the Gospels. God made it known to Paul, who then made it known to us. It is the mystery, God's sacred secret.
Eph 3:
4) Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
Read 1 Pet 1:8-12. The OT prophets could forsee the sufferings (first coming) and glory (second coming) of Christ, but they could not see what happened in between. Everyone thought the two events would be close together. The apostles, in Acts 1:6, thought Christ would be returning soon.
The devil didn't know.
1 Cor 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
Christianity is a big deal. God had it planned from Adam's fall, and He didn't tell anyone until He told Paul. (Although He probably told Jesus somewhere shortly after the resurrection).
Col 1:
25) Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
26) Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
27) To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
This church of the body of Christ (Christianity) began abruptly on the day of pentecost, and will end abruptly with the rapture. After that, God will resume dealing with people as jew and gentile. That's when the book of Revelation will start. We will not go through the great tribulation.
Matt 24:21) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
It most certainly is biblical. Jesus Christ came to Israel.
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Rom 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision..
Both of his comings to earth were prophesied for Israel, and they will be for Israel.
This entire timeperiod we are now living in was not known about in the OT or the Gospels. God made it known to Paul, who then made it known to us. It is the mystery, God's sacred secret.
Eph 3:
4) Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
Read 1 Pet 1:8-12. The OT prophets could forsee the sufferings (first coming) and glory (second coming) of Christ, but they could not see what happened in between. Everyone thought the two events would be close together. The apostles, in Acts 1:6, thought Christ would be returning soon.
The devil didn't know.
1 Cor 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
Christianity is a big deal. God had it planned from Adam's fall, and He didn't tell anyone until He told Paul. (Although He probably told Jesus somewhere shortly after the resurrection).
Col 1:
25) Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
26) Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
27) To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
This church of the body of Christ (Christianity) began abruptly on the day of pentecost, and will end abruptly with the rapture. After that, God will resume dealing with people as jew and gentile. That's when the book of Revelation will start. We will not go through the great tribulation.
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your gap theory and pre-trib rapture would not hold up if you actually read ALL of the BIBLE and see how the OT foretells of JESUS saving the Gentiles TOO before PAUL was even in the picture.
Isaiah 11
10 “ And in that day there shall be a Root of Jesse,
Who shall stand as a banner to the people;
For the Gentiles shall seek Him,
And His resting place shall be glorious.”
Isaiah 11
10 “ And in that day there shall be a Root of Jesse,
Who shall stand as a banner to the people;
For the Gentiles shall seek Him,
And His resting place shall be glorious.”
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so is this prophecy fulfilled in JESUS or are you still waiting to praise God for His salvation?
Isaiah 12
1 And in that day you will say:
“ O LORD, I will praise You;
Though You were angry with me,
Your anger is turned away, and You comfort me.
2 Behold, God is my salvation,
I will trust and not be afraid;
‘ For YAH, the LORD, is my strength and song;
He also has become my salvation.’”[a]
3 Therefore with joy you will draw water
From the wells of salvation.
4 And in that day you will say:
“ Praise the LORD, call upon His name;
Declare His deeds among the peoples,
Make mention that His name is exalted.
5 Sing to the LORD,
For He has done excellent things;
This is known in all the earth.
6 Cry out and shout, O inhabitant of Zion,
For great is the Holy One of Israel in your midst!”
Isaiah 12
1 And in that day you will say:
“ O LORD, I will praise You;
Though You were angry with me,
Your anger is turned away, and You comfort me.
2 Behold, God is my salvation,
I will trust and not be afraid;
‘ For YAH, the LORD, is my strength and song;
He also has become my salvation.’”[a]
3 Therefore with joy you will draw water
From the wells of salvation.
4 And in that day you will say:
“ Praise the LORD, call upon His name;
Declare His deeds among the peoples,
Make mention that His name is exalted.
5 Sing to the LORD,
For He has done excellent things;
This is known in all the earth.
6 Cry out and shout, O inhabitant of Zion,
For great is the Holy One of Israel in your midst!”
you are leaving OUT what THE MYSTERY ITSELF WAS:
not that there would be a people saved, not that they would be from all nations - NEITHER OF THESE WERE EVER UNKNOWN (Hebrews 11), but that THIS WOULD BE ACCOMPLISHED BY THE GOSPEL.
Abram was a gentile!
shroom, please don't dig in your heels now. this is the worst time to do it.
be willing to put what you currently believe about The Plan to one side just long enough to consider.
you can always go back to dispensationalism if you must.
please reconsider.
Christianity is ISRAEL EXPANDED SHROOM! called out! not a mystery!
not that there would be a people saved, not that they would be from all nations - NEITHER OF THESE WERE EVER UNKNOWN (Hebrews 11), but that THIS WOULD BE ACCOMPLISHED BY THE GOSPEL.
Abram was a gentile!
shroom, please don't dig in your heels now. this is the worst time to do it.
be willing to put what you currently believe about The Plan to one side just long enough to consider.
you can always go back to dispensationalism if you must.
please reconsider.
Christianity is ISRAEL EXPANDED SHROOM! called out! not a mystery!