Who is GOD.......?

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You have just put forth a great lie. By your doctrine of grace (not mine) you are no longer saved. Good luck with that....

THIS IS YOUR POINT OF VIEW NOT BY FACTS
FOR
INFACT
THE FACTS ARE..........

I HAVE DOCUMENTATION FROM THE
10 ARTIFACTS OF THE NICENE CREED..." ARTICLES "
5 CONSTANTINE ARCHIVES
THOSE PRESENT IN THE COUNCIL ARCHIVES
ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHIVES
LUTHERAN ARCHIVES


AND THEY ALL .......... CONCLUDE
THE SAME
THE NEW DOCTRINE WAS CREATED
THE NEW CHURCH WAS IN FACT THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH
THE NEW RULES AND ATTRIBUTES WERE THEN ADDED TO THE NEW CHURCH
SUCH AS.......
3 GODS
PETER AS FIRST POPE
PERGATORY
CONFESS SINS TO MEN CALLED PRIESTS ACTING AS GOD

WHICH WERE ALL FINALIZED BY THE AUTHORITY AND LAST VOTE
OF THE MURDEROUS PAGANIST ROMAN DICTATOR CONSTANTINE
CLAIMING TO BE CHRISTIAN

SO DO NOT ACCUSE ME OF LYING WHEN IT IS IN

BLACK AND WHITE
MANUSCRIPTED
DOCUMENTATION
 
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References: Eerdman's Handbook to the History of Christianity, A Manual of Church History, Christianity through the Ages, Church History in Common Language. Also refered to notes from Church History I, Professor Thee, Northwest University. If you need more, I am sure that I can provide another dozen or so books published by recognized authorities in church history.

WHY DO I NEED A MAN SOME 1500 YEARS LATER CLAIMING TO KNOW THE FACTS
WHEN YOU HAVE THE ACCESS TO THE FACTS THEMSELVES
THRU THE ARCHIVES
OF PERSONAL HAND WRITTEN AND SIGNED DOCUMENTATION
OF THOSE WHO WERE PRESENT
NOT ONLY ON ABOUT WHAT THEY VOTED UPON
BUT
WHAT THE VOTE STOOD AT AFTER THE VOTES WERE TALLIED...?
 
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Your God must be pretty weak to be able to allow authorisation of the canon of scripture but not prevent the Trinitarian doctrine being voted in and have 2000 years of church history with the Trinity as official orthodox doctrine.
 
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charisenexcelcis

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THIS IS YOUR POINT OF VIEW NOT BY FACTS
FOR
INFACT
THE FACTS ARE..........

I HAVE DOCUMENTATION FROM THE
10 ARTIFACTS OF THE NICENE CREED..." ARTICLES "
5 CONSTANTINE ARCHIVES
THOSE PRESENT IN THE COUNCIL ARCHIVES
ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHIVES
LUTHERAN ARCHIVES


AND THEY ALL .......... CONCLUDE
THE SAME
THE NEW DOCTRINE WAS CREATED
THE NEW CHURCH WAS IN FACT THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH
THE NEW RULES AND ATTRIBUTES WERE THEN ADDED TO THE NEW CHURCH
SUCH AS.......
3 GODS
PETER AS FIRST POPE
PERGATORY
CONFESS SINS TO MEN CALLED PRIESTS ACTING AS GOD

WHICH WERE ALL FINALIZED BY THE AUTHORITY AND LAST VOTE
OF THE MURDEROUS PAGANIST ROMAN DICTATOR CONSTANTINE
CLAIMING TO BE CHRISTIAN

SO DO NOT ACCUSE ME OF LYING WHEN IT IS IN

BLACK AND WHITE
MANUSCRIPTED
DOCUMENTATION
So, I gave you my documentation. Where is yours? You are welcome to research mime, as I will yours. Yelling does not help your reliability.
 
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charisenexcelcis

Guest
WHY DO I NEED A MAN SOME 1500 YEARS LATER CLAIMING TO KNOW THE FACTS
WHEN YOU HAVE THE ACCESS TO THE FACTS THEMSELVES
THRU THE ARCHIVES
OF PERSONAL HAND WRITTEN AND SIGNED DOCUMENTATION
OF THOSE WHO WERE PRESENT
NOT ONLY ON ABOUT WHAT THEY VOTED UPON
BUT
WHAT THE VOTE STOOD AT AFTER THE VOTES WERE TALLIED...?
You have the hand written and signed documents? What archives have you accessed? Can you read the Greek so you know for yourself? Also, did you realize that the Council of Nicaea produced the Creed of Nicaea rather than the Nicene Creed?
 
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Your God must be pretty weak to be able to allow authorisation of the canon of scripture but not prevent the Trinitarian doctrine being voted in and have 2000 years of church history with the Trinity as official orthodox doctrine.

JESUS
THE..........WORD..........OF GOD
IS
THE ONLY AUTHORIZATION OF SCRIPTURE IN THE BIBLE
I ACCEPT


AND YET
THE NICENE CREED .......... YOU SO LOVE
HAD TO VOTE
WHETHER OR NOT
JESUS
WAS EVEN GOD AT ALL

ID BE CAREFUL WHO I WOULD PUT MY FAITH IN
MOST CERTAINLY
THIS COUNCIL
COULD HAVE VOTED JESUS WAS NOT DIVINE
WHAT THEN...?
YOU STILL HOLD THEM SO ESTEEMED
WHAT ABOUT ISSUES LIKE
PERGATORY
CONFESS YOUR SINS NOT TO GOD BUT TO MAN
PETER WAS FIRST POPE

DO YOU BELIEVE IN THESE DOCUMENTATIONS AS WELL...?

IF YOUR GOING TO TELL ME THIS NICENE CREED IS THE BOTTOM LINE ANSWER
THEN
YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE EVERYTHING THEY DOCUMENTED
NOT JUST BITS AND PIECES

SO
DO YOU AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THEY VOTED AND DECREED...?
 
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charisenexcelcis

Guest
WHY DO I NEED A MAN SOME 1500 YEARS LATER CLAIMING TO KNOW THE FACTS
WHEN YOU HAVE THE ACCESS TO THE FACTS THEMSELVES
THRU THE ARCHIVES
OF PERSONAL HAND WRITTEN AND SIGNED DOCUMENTATION
OF THOSE WHO WERE PRESENT
NOT ONLY ON ABOUT WHAT THEY VOTED UPON
BUT
WHAT THE VOTE STOOD AT AFTER THE VOTES WERE TALLIED...?
Only two bishops did not sign. They along with Eusebius of Nicomedia (as opposed to the more famous Eusebius of Caesarea)were the only excommunicated. Arian of course was not invited. Ossius was a Spanish bishop who served as Constantine's religious advisor.
 
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We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.
We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.





Nothing in there about immaculate conception or purgatory.

As I said before, you cannot believe in the canon and authority of scripture if you do not accept the Nicene creed... they are both intertwined. The canon of scripture was used to confirm the Nicene creed and the Nicene creed was used to confirm the canon and authority of the new testament scriptures. Either way, your beliefs are in contradiction.
 
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So, I gave you my documentation. Where is yours? You are welcome to research mime, as I will yours. Yelling does not help your reliability.

IM NOT YELLING MR IRS...
BUT
IT IS OBVIOUS AFTER EVERY POINT YOU CLAIM
YOU SEEM TO PUNCTUATE AUTHORITY
SO
EITHER YOU ARE JUST OBNOXIOUS OR JUST CONTEMPT

ILL LOOK INTO YOUR CLAIM
BUT
IF YOUR CLAIM DIFFERS FROM THE CREED HE IS LIVING BY
THEN ON WHOSE AUTHORITY IS HE STANDING...?
FOR HE IS NO ONE TO ME
AND YET
YOU ALL CLAIM NICENE TO BE THE ANSWERS TO EVERYONES
DOCTRINAL BELIEFS
AND YET
I FIND THEM APPAULING TO MANY OF THEIR CLAIMS
EVEN ....... ASIDE FROM THE TRINITY OF COURSE
 
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We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.





Nothing in there about immaculate conception or purgatory.

As I said before, you cannot believe in the canon and authority of scripture if you do not accept the Nicene creed... they are both intertwined. The canon of scripture was used to confirm the Nicene creed and the Nicene creed was used to confirm the canon and authority of the new testament scriptures. Either way, your beliefs are in contradiction.

THIS IS ONLY THEIR CREED ON THEIR TRINITY VIEWS

THERE IS MORE DOCUMENTATIONS ON WHAT ELSE THEY CLAIMED AND CREATED
 
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Do you realise the authority and canon of scripture was also established by the same sorts of folk, after Constantine died? Perhaps you should reject the canon of scripture as well? Do you use the KJV or like the KJV bible? That was written and translated by what you would call pagan and occult Trinitarians, by and for the Church of England mind you, which is a mainstream church, as you've said before mainstream churches are no good, and according to you would be pagan and occult as well. So I'm wondering which non-Trinitarian bible version do you use?

Perhaps you also disprove of the council of Carthage, 6 decades later? Perhaps you believe they were wrong to reject the gnostic gospels and that these should be in our bibles too?
 
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charisenexcelcis

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JESUS
THE..........WORD..........OF GOD
IS
THE ONLY AUTHORIZATION OF SCRIPTURE IN THE BIBLE
I ACCEPT


AND YET
THE NICENE CREED .......... YOU SO LOVE
HAD TO VOTE
WHETHER OR NOT
JESUS
WAS EVEN GOD AT ALL

ID BE CAREFUL WHO I WOULD PUT MY FAITH IN
MOST CERTAINLY
THIS COUNCIL
COULD HAVE VOTED JESUS WAS NOT DIVINE
WHAT THEN...?
YOU STILL HOLD THEM SO ESTEEMED
WHAT ABOUT ISSUES LIKE
PERGATORY
CONFESS YOUR SINS NOT TO GOD BUT TO MAN
PETER WAS FIRST POPE

DO YOU BELIEVE IN THESE DOCUMENTATIONS AS WELL...?

IF YOUR GOING TO TELL ME THIS NICENE CREED IS THE BOTTOM LINE ANSWER
THEN
YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE EVERYTHING THEY DOCUMENTED
NOT JUST BITS AND PIECES

SO
DO YOU AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THEY VOTED AND DECREED...?
What they voted on was to excommunicate Arian and his followers. The Council of Nicaea did not consider those other issues. If doctrine is not based upon the Word of God, it has no foundation at all. I accept the Nicene Creed not as a basis of my beliefs, but as a statement that I believe to be Biblical. The first true Pope (in terms of exerting that authority) was Gregory (590-604). He despised the title of Pope, but at that time was the only authority in thrice-sacked Rome, in the midst of the Black Plague. Others built on that authority, although it was up-and-down during the Medeival period. I do not believe in purgatory, do not believe in the power of any man save Jesus to forgive sins and believe that Peter was an apostle.
 
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Only two bishops did not sign. They along with Eusebius of Nicomedia (as opposed to the more famous Eusebius of Caesarea)were the only excommunicated. Arian of course was not invited. Ossius was a Spanish bishop who served as Constantine's religious advisor.

AMAZING

THE ONES CLAIMING ONENESS WERE EXCOMMUNICATED

WHO HAD THE POWER TO PERFORM THIS EXCOMMUNICATION...?

THE PAGAN HIMSELF..........CONSTANTINE
WHO WAS ALSO MURDERER OF HIS WIFE AND SON
AND ANYONE WHO OPPOSED HIS RELIGEOUS VIEWS
SUCH AS HIS OWN BROTHER -N - LAW

KIND OF LIKE NOW
I AM ONENESS AND YOU ARE DOING YOUR BEST TO EXCOMMUNICATE ME
 
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HumbleSaint

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Joint-heirs with Jesus as we travel this ....dum de dum.....for I'm part of the family the family of God
 
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Do you realise the authority and canon of scripture was also established by the same sorts of folk, after Constantine died? Perhaps you should reject the canon of scripture as well? Do you use the KJV or like the KJV bible? That was written and translated by what you would call pagan and occult Trinitarians, by and for the Church of England mind you, which is a mainstream church, as you've said before mainstream churches are no good, and according to you would be pagan and occult as well. So I'm wondering which non-Trinitarian bible version do you use?

Perhaps you also disprove of the council of Carthage, 6 decades later? Perhaps you believe they were wrong to reject the gnostic gospels and that these should be in our bibles too?

KJV WAS WRITTEN
AFTER ROMAN CATHOLIC AND THEIR DOCTRINAL VIEWS
WERE DISCREDITED
BY
MARTIN LUTHER
SO
I TRUST THE KJV
FOR
THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH BY WHICH LUTHER REVEALED DOCTRINAL LIES
WAS
AT THE VERY HEART OF THE NICENE CREED
AND
PAGANIST CONSTANTINE
 
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charisenexcelcis

Guest
IM NOT YELLING MR IRS...
BUT
IT IS OBVIOUS AFTER EVERY POINT YOU CLAIM
YOU SEEM TO PUNCTUATE AUTHORITY
SO
EITHER YOU ARE JUST OBNOXIOUS OR JUST CONTEMPT

ILL LOOK INTO YOUR CLAIM
BUT
IF YOUR CLAIM DIFFERS FROM THE CREED HE IS LIVING BY
THEN ON WHOSE AUTHORITY IS HE STANDING...?
FOR HE IS NO ONE TO ME
AND YET
YOU ALL CLAIM NICENE TO BE THE ANSWERS TO EVERYONES
DOCTRINAL BELIEFS
AND YET
I FIND THEM APPAULING TO MANY OF THEIR CLAIMS
EVEN ....... ASIDE FROM THE TRINITY OF COURSE
Are you asking for some advice regarding taxes? For an evangelist I would suggest using the standard per diems rather than actual expenses for meals and misc when traveling. This year there is a new working credit that should help you by about $400.00 so make sure you don't miss that. (Mr. IRS)
That you detest certain Catholic beliefs is very Protestant of you. I have particular difficulty with their belief in confession and with the newly considered co-redemtrix title for Mary.
 
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KJV WAS WRITTEN
AFTER ROMAN CATHOLIC AND THEIR DOCTRINAL VIEWS
WERE DISCREDITED
BY
MARTIN LUTHER
SO
I TRUST THE KJV
FOR
THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH BY WHICH LUTHER REVEALED DOCTRINAL LIES
WAS
AT THE VERY HEART OF THE NICENE CREED
AND
PAGANIST CONSTANTINE
But Luther and the reformers, and those who wrote the KJV, did not reject the Trinity. Why is that? Can't you see the contradiction in your beliefs, you agree with them when it comes to rejecting the purgatory and other catholic doctrines.. but you disagree with them when it comes to the Trinity.

The point is, no one re-wrote the KJV from the point of view of a Oneness believer...so I would recommend that you use a different bible. Because the KJV according to you, would be the english translation of a occult and pagan and mainstream trinitarian church which baptised and still baptises by sprinkling and 'in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost".
 
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What they voted on was to excommunicate Arian and his followers. The Council of Nicaea did not consider those other issues. If doctrine is not based upon the Word of God, it has no foundation at all. I accept the Nicene Creed not as a basis of my beliefs, but as a statement that I believe to be Biblical. The first true Pope (in terms of exerting that authority) was Gregory (590-604). He despised the title of Pope, but at that time was the only authority in thrice-sacked Rome, in the midst of the Black Plague. Others built on that authority, although it was up-and-down during the Medeival period. I do not believe in purgatory, do not believe in the power of any man save Jesus to forgive sins and believe that Peter was an apostle.

IF THEY DID NOT AGREE WITH THOSE POINTS
THEN
IN THE NICENE CREED
IT SHOULD -------NOT------- LIST
ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH AS THE ONE TRUE CHURCH THEN
BECAUSE
THIS IS THE DOCUMENTATION OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH
AND THEIR DOCTRINAL PRACTICES
THEY VOTED TO ACCEPT THESE NEW IDEAS
AND BY LISTING THE CHURCH IN THE NICENE ARTICLES
THEY OBVIOUSLY AGREED WITH IT


UNDERSTAND..........?
 
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But Luther and the reformers, and those who wrote the KJV, did not reject the Trinity. Why is that? Can't you see the contradiction in your beliefs, you agree with them when it comes to rejecting the purgatory and other catholic doctrines.. but you disagree with them when it comes to the Trinity.

I CANNOT ANSWER FOR THEM AND NEITHER CAN YOU