DOES SLEEP IN THE BIBLE FOR THE DEAD MEAN THE SAME AS WHAT WE THINK OF SLEEP ???

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KennethC

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I ask this because this is one of the areas I still struggle with even though I have prayed about it and studied the scriptures in the bible.

The reason I have questions is because of situations that my family has experienced over the years from what we can either call ghosts, demons, paranormal, or even explained away in the scientific field as tricks of the mind.

Here is my testimony on this subject, and that is from my early childhood up until even today me and my family have witnessed sounds, shadow people, orbs, and even seeing loved ones that have passed.

The Popcorn popper toy

My two oldest sisters, and my parents, lived on Elm street in Independence, MO when they were little.
My mom would always hear a popcorn popper toy going back and forth in the room when my sisters were suppose to be sleeping, but my mom when trying to catch them playing but could never do it. My dad when home from work one night heard what my mom was talking about and went to try and catch them failed the first two times.

The third time he stood by the door and waited tell it got across the room and swung open the door, no popcorn popper insight and my sisters were sleeping in bed. My dad then went over to the toy box to remove it from their room and it was buried at the bottom of the toy box.

My sisters had no time to bury it in the toy box and get back across the room and go to sleep in the short time it took to open the door. What could have been playing in their room ???
 
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KennethC

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The Cedar House

I grew up in a house on Cedar road and there was a few instances there.

Instance 1) My oldest sister sees our grandma that had passed away in her room, and wakes everybody up because of the fear she had seeing her. While sitting in the front room my sister lit a cigarette, and immediately after lighting it her hand was forced over to the ash tray to put it out.

Instance 2) My mom and dad had a close friend we called Uncle Ron, and he and my parents made a pact that if one died before the other they would come and prove life after death. Ron died in a car crash and shortly after that a picture of him we had on the wall kept falling off the wall, and my mom then stood it up on top of the TV and it still fell off.


Also one of her china tea cups would every once in awhile jump off its shelf and fall 6 feet to a hard wood floor and never break.

Instance 3) My sister had a seance in the basement which she should not have done, but she did it because she wanted to speak to Ron.
She said she saw Ron come through but shortly after her and a couple of her friends said they saw a skin colored skull with red eyes come through and that is when they broke the seance and ran up stairs.

"Just for note"--There is a seance mentioned in the bible in 1 Samuel 28:14.

Shortly after this the picture of Ron and the tea cup no longer fell to the floor, but a shadowy person was seen every once in awhile at the bottom of the stairs and when spotted would move off to the right out of view.
 
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FreeNChrist

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KennethC said:
My sisters had no time to bury it in the toy box and get back across the room and go to sleep in the short time it took to open the door. What could have been playing in their room ???
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Sounds like you had a mouse in the house.
 
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KennethC

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The Queen Ridge Way house

Second house I lived in was on Queen Ridge way and had a few there as well:

Instance 1) Every now and then we would be able to hear what sounded like a woman crying in one of the back rooms of the house, and my mom had a #1 grandma sign my sister made her that would never stay on the wall in that room. It would always be knocked off, but in other places in the house it would stay.

Instance 2) If we were home alone or just a couple of us and we were downstairs you could hear every now and then what sounded like high heel shoes walking on the floor from the back room all the way to the kitchen and back. The upstairs was all carpet except for the din which was not a part the footsteps came from.

Instance 3) There is a big mirror on the wall of the din to where the hallway could be seen going to the back rooms. My cousin came over one day when only my mom and dad where home, and during their conversation in the din she stopped and said to my mom I did not know Kimberly(one of my sisters) was home.

My mom told her they were the only one's there, and she said well I just saw somebody go from one room to the other. My mentioned to her that she has seen this shadow of a person go between the rooms before and so has the rest of us at one time or another.
 
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KennethC

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The Thompson Ave house

1st instance) My mom and stepdad moved from the front bedroom of the house to the back bedroom because they were woken up at times from the sounds of little children laughing and playing on the front porch. And even though he set up a security camera around the house no kids were ever seen coming or going on the property at night.

2nd instance) I stayed in the front bedroom for a couple of months by myself and at times I could feel somebody crawl onto the bed with me even though there was nobody there. I was even shaken out of my sleep one time from this and I rolled over to say what do you want, but stopped in mid-sentence as there was nobody there.

3rd instance) My mom was babysitting my oldest son who was only about 8 or 9 at the time, and she woke up out of her nap on the couch to hear my son talking to somebody. She asked him who he was talking to and he turned to where he was talking and then back to my mom and said, "oh I guess he left."

Me and mom asked if he could describe him, and he said he had a red baseball cap on backwards and was wearing a stripped shirt.

At this same time my son started talking to and bringing up the name Murphy, and I asked him one time where Murphy came from. His response was from the clouds !!!


4th instance) Shortly after my grandfather passed away who was living with my mom and stepdad, late at night we would see a shadowy figure peek around the hallway entrance into the front room. When you would turn to look directly at them they would duck back behind the wall.

5th instance) The camera system around the house also had a speaker system on it that could pick up the sounds from outside and even be used as a intercom system. One night the system turned on by itself and we heard laughing coming from it for about a minute, and nobody was outside to be playing around.
 
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KennethC

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Now I have been told these are either demons trying to trick the family, or just figments of our imagination.

However I know what we have seen and heard and have experienced it personally, and also if they are demons why then has none of the incidents been evil/harmful in nature ???
 
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FreeNChrist

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KennethC said:
Now I have been told these are either demons trying to trick the family, or just figments of our imagination.

However I know what we have seen and heard and have experienced it personally, and also if they are demons why then has none of the incidents been evil/harmful in nature ???
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My 94 yr old mother has a reoccurring dream that there are men in her room who want to harm her. She now believes that it is real and lives in constant fear of these men who are trying to get her. Granted she is 94, and there are other things at play, but there is just enough "evidence" that is real, noises in and outside the house, voices of those walking down the street, that no amount of reasoning will change her mind.

The point being that the human mind is capable of being deceived, and that is where Satan works to influence us. That's my 2 cents worth.
 
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KennethC

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FreeNChrist said:
My 94 yr old mother has a reoccurring dream that there are men in her room who want to harm her. She now believes that it is real and lives in constant fear of these men who are trying to get her. Granted she is 94, and there are other things at play, but there is just enough "evidence" that is real, noises in and outside the house, voices of those walking down the street, that no amount of reasoning will change her mind.

The point being that the human mind is capable of being deceived, and that is where Satan works to influence us. That's my 2 cents worth.
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Thank you and I understand that, but even from the workings of satan being behind the scenes with his demons, I just can't see them helping people like as the case with my sister in making her put a cigarette out. I would think he would want them to keep lighting up !!!

Also even the Lord Jesus Himself in the bible does not say there is no such things as ghosts, for when the Apostles got scared seeing Him and screamed its a ghost. Jesus did not deny the existence of ghosts, but instead told them look for ghosts do not have flesh and bone as He does (Luke 24:39)
 
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Andy42

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Yes sleep means that the person knows nothing and is inactive until Yahshua (Jesus) returns. You hearing those noises are most likely evil spirits or just your imagination playing tricks on you.
 
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FreeNChrist

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KennethC said:
Thank you and I understand that, but even from the workings of satan being behind the scenes with his demons, I just can't see them helping people like as the case with my sister in making her put a cigarette out. I would think he would want them to keep lighting up !!!

Also even the Lord Jesus Himself in the bible does not say there is no such things as ghosts, for when the Apostles got scared seeing Him and screamed its a ghost. Jesus did not deny the existence of ghosts, but instead told them look for ghosts do not have flesh and bone as He does (Luke 24:39)
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Well, there's only two choices for real spiritual beings, angels or fallen angels. There is no biblical support for the notion that dead people become ghosts, if that's what you are wondering.
 
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FreeNChrist

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Andy42 said:
Yes sleep means that the person knows nothing and is inactive until Yahshua (Jesus) returns.
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Nope, sleep is a metaphor for being dead. Like when Jesus said Lazarus was asleep, and they didn't get it, so He just tells them "he is dead".
 
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Galahad

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KennethC said:
I ask this because this is one of the areas I still struggle with even though I have prayed about it and studied the scriptures in the bible.

The reason I have questions is because of situations that my family has experienced over the years from what we can either call ghosts, demons, paranormal, or even explained away in the scientific field as tricks of the mind.

Here is my testimony on this subject, and that is from my early childhood up until even today me and my family have witnessed sounds, shadow people, orbs, and even seeing loved ones that have passed.

The Popcorn popper toy

My two oldest sisters, and my parents, lived on Elm street in Independence, MO when they were little.
My mom would always hear a popcorn popper toy going back and forth in the room when my sisters were suppose to be sleeping, but my mom when trying to catch them playing but could never do it. My dad when home from work one night heard what my mom was talking about and went to try and catch them failed the first two times.

The third time he stood by the door and waited tell it got across the room and swung open the door, no popcorn popper insight and my sisters were sleeping in bed. My dad then went over to the toy box to remove it from their room and it was buried at the bottom of the toy box.

My sisters had no time to bury it in the toy box and get back across the room and go to sleep in the short time it took to open the door. What could have been playing in their room ???
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DOES SLEEP IN THE BIBLE FOR THE DEAD MEAN THE SAME AS WHAT WE THINK OF SLEEP ???

Depends.

The guards at the tomb of Jesus were to tell others that they fell asleep. That is, they went nighty night.

Saints who have died are said to be asleep. That is their separation from this world does not imply they will not be raised. They are asleep, and someday will be awakened by the Lord.
 
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KennethC

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Andy42 said:
Yes sleep means that the person knows nothing and is inactive until Yahshua (Jesus) returns. You hearing those noises are most likely evil spirits or just your imagination playing tricks on you.
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Yes and this has been brought up before, but the whole point is that the sounds and things even seen were never of a evil/harmful nature. They also have been witnessed by more then just me as multiple people have seen and heard these things.



FreeNChrist said:
Well, there's only two choices for real spiritual beings, angels or fallen angels. There is no biblical support for the notion that dead people become ghosts, if that's what you are wondering.
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Well like I said though in Luke 24:39 our Lord Jesus does not dismiss the existence of ghosts, as He just says they do not have flesh and bone as He does.

Again if they are demons why has no harmful or wrong doing followed them ???

Also as for my uncle Ron things happened just as him and my mom and dad agreed to, and what do you think about the instance with my son and Murphy ???
 
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KennethC

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Galahad said:
DOES SLEEP IN THE BIBLE FOR THE DEAD MEAN THE SAME AS WHAT WE THINK OF SLEEP ???

Depends.

The guards at the tomb of Jesus were to tell others that they fell asleep. That is, they went nighty night.

Saints who have died are said to be asleep. That is their separation from this world does not imply they will not be raised. They are asleep, and someday will be awakened by the Lord.
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Yes but as I said this raises the question is sleep being used for death just a metaphor and does not really mean as we think of sleep. Unconscious to the things around them, or do they still wander around in the after life waiting for the Resurrection/gathering/rapture ???

I say this because of the experiences my family has had as well as tons of others around the world who have claimed to see loved ones that have passed away.
 
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FreeNChrist

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KennethC said:
Well like I said though in Luke 24:39 our Lord Jesus does not dismiss the existence of ghosts, as He just says they do not have flesh and bone as He does.

Again if they are demons why has no harmful or wrong doing followed them ???

Also as for my uncle Ron things happened just as him and my mom and dad agreed to, and what do you think about the instance with my son and Murphy ???
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I think there are angels and fallen angels and that dead people do not become ghosts.
 
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KennethC

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FreeNChrist said:
I think there are angels and fallen angels and that dead people do not become ghosts.
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That seems to be all we can do though is think a certain way and not know exactly for sure until that time comes.

Then this then also raises another question; does angels come looking like loved ones or do people become angels to ???

From what I have studied angels and humans even though we get new spiritual bodies at the Resurrection are two separate created beings from God.
 
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oldthennew

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KennethC said:
Yes but as I said this raises the question is sleep being used for death just a metaphor and does not really mean as we think of sleep. Unconscious to the things around them, or do they still wander around in the after life waiting for the Resurrection/gathering/rapture ???

I say this because of the experiences my family has had as well as tons of others around the world who have claimed to see loved ones that have passed away.
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ECC.9:5.
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward;
for the memory of them is forgotten.

PS.115:17.
The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.

"Again if they are demons why has no harmful or wrong doing followed them" ???

Ken, it certainly sounds like you all have got a lot of activity going-on of a spiritual-nature -
as we have read in the Bible, there are many 'deceptive-spirits' at work on this earth....

these entities present themselves as 'harmless', when in reality, they eventually have to show their
true nature, they will do one of two things, the core of their personalities will come-out, or they
will invite their friends of a more malignant nature to cause more confusion....

they are NEVER friendly or harmless, they plant (fear-doubt-and confusion) and this will always
present a barrier between man and God....

personally, we would put-on the 'whole armour of God', and use every tool at our disposal to
get-rid of their presence...this should be TOP PRIORITY....

ultimately God allows certain events to TRY us and TEST our FAITH....to get us in touch with the REALITY
that these entities are very real - but, Christ dwells in us, and He has absolute authority over all of them,
from the least to the greatest, and His power lies with-in us, IF we be sanctified and called.....

it is our duty to use what He has given to us, and to DEFEAT the serpent, and to trample him under our heels.....

Ken,
you have stated that there are a multitude of witnesses over the whole world who have seen, dealt with and
communicated with dead 'relatives'....BUT in REALITY, they are communicating with impersonators, dark-spirits'...
for it is written,
The whole world lies in wickedness and satan deceives the whole world, so the evil-spirits have to bear witness
of the 'original lie'...(surely you shall not die),,,

GEN.3:4.
And the serpent said unto the woman, surely you shall not die....
 
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KennethC said:
Now I have been told these are either demons trying to trick the family, or just figments of our imagination.

However I know what we have seen and heard and have experienced it personally, and also if they are demons why then has none of the incidents been evil/harmful in nature ???
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Now this is just completely my opinion and I haven't researched it very much, but 'I think the "harm" of it may simply be deception. Like trying to sow seeds of doubt in God’s word and make it seem things aren't like what Jesus said. If our souls are just roaming around as ghost then it would seem that there is no real place for them like the bible says there is. Basically the same type thing I would say about the whole "alien abduction" phenomenon to make us think we are not alone in the universe, and that supports evolution and the idea that we will evolve into something "better". I think that could be one "evil" purpose for "ghost". Again this is no more than my opinion on how this could be a reason for demons to do this kind of thing.

It is very interesting that your family has had so much of it happen around you though. Very interesting and praise God that you know His truth. Pretty crazy stuff man, thanks for sharing it.
 
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KennethC

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oldthennew said:
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ECC.9:5.
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward;
for the memory of them is forgotten.

PS.115:17.
The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.

"Again if they are demons why has no harmful or wrong doing followed them" ???

Ken, it certainly sounds like you all have got a lot of activity going-on of a spiritual-nature -
as we have read in the Bible, there are many 'deceptive-spirits' at work on this earth....

these entities present themselves as 'harmless', when in reality, they eventually have to show their
true nature, they will do one of two things, the core of their personalities will come-out, or they
will invite their friends of a more malignant nature to cause more confusion....

they are NEVER friendly or harmless, they plant (fear-doubt-and confusion) and this will always
present a barrier between man and God....

personally, we would put-on the 'whole armour of God', and use every tool at our disposal to
get-rid of their presence...this should be TOP PRIORITY....

ultimately God allows certain events to TRY us and TEST our FAITH....to get us in touch with the REALITY
that these entities are very real - but, Christ dwells in us, and He has absolute authority over all of them,
from the least to the greatest, and His power lies with-in us, IF we be sanctified and called.....

it is our duty to use what He has given to us, and to DEFEAT the serpent, and to trample him under our heels.....

Ken,
you have stated that there are a multitude of witnesses over the whole world who have seen, dealt with and
communicated with dead 'relatives'....BUT in REALITY, they are communicating with impersonators, dark-spirits'...
for it is written,
The whole world lies in wickedness and satan deceives the whole world, so the evil-spirits have to bear witness
of the 'original lie'...(surely you shall not die),,,

GEN.3:4.
And the serpent said unto the woman, surely you shall not die....
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Jimbone said:
Now this is just completely my opinion and I haven't researched it very much, but 'I think the "harm" of it may simply be deception. Like trying to sow seeds of doubt in God’s word and make it seem things aren't like what Jesus said. If our souls are just roaming around as ghost then it would seem that there is no real place for them like the bible says there is. Basically the same type thing I would say about the whole "alien abduction" phenomenon to make us think we are not alone in the universe, and that supports evolution and the idea that we will evolve into something "better". I think that could be one "evil" purpose for "ghost". Again this is no more than my opinion on how this could be a reason for demons to do this kind of thing.

It is very interesting that your family has had so much of it happen around you though. Very interesting and praise God that you know His truth. Pretty crazy stuff man, thanks for sharing it.
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Thank you both for your words and yes I can see the simple deception going on, and I myself have leaned that way that it is just a way of them trying to use deception to get closer and then they will reveal their true motive.

It just gets me that in some cases such as my older sister the ghostly image of our grandma she saw had her put her cigarette out. That to me seems not demon-like for I would think they would want her to keep smoking because of how harmful it is to the body.

Like I said that is why I struggle with this because I know what God's word says, but I also know that the words written in the original Hebrew and Greek do not exactly mean how they are used in the English words in our version of the bible. Which is where the Holy Spirit's guidance comes into this studying to seek out the truth and meaning in God's word !!!
 
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