U.S. Supreme Court declines stay 4 clerk refusing to issue gay marriage certificates
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You are correct. It is between the couple and God. The problem occurs when they tell the rest of us that we must approve of what they are doing or go to jail. What you are saying here is between you and God. We don't approve of what you are saying, and we definitely aren't calling for you to be jailed.
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Dude, I've taken note of your tactics. I have. You throw out statements. But rarely support them.
Sin: Hate, murder, adultery, idolatry, lying, covetousness, deception.
THERE'S NOT ONE SIN, NOT ONE, THAT WHEN TOLERATED, ALLOWED, 'RIGHTED', ADVOCATED, CONDONED, PERMITTED BY A NATION BOTH BY ITS LAWS AND MORAL JUDGMENTS THAT WILL EVER BENEFIT THAT NATION. JUST THE OPPOSITE. IT WILL BRING HARM TO THAT NATION.
Dude, do you not believe that words of the bible? You don't. Your statement implies that the bible is wrong, is a lie.
He who sows to the flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption. Galatians 6. Apostle Paul, Inspired of God.
Quit trashing the truth.
Sin: Hate, murder, adultery, idolatry, lying, covetousness, deception.
THERE'S NOT ONE SIN, NOT ONE, THAT WHEN TOLERATED, ALLOWED, 'RIGHTED', ADVOCATED, CONDONED, PERMITTED BY A NATION BOTH BY ITS LAWS AND MORAL JUDGMENTS THAT WILL EVER BENEFIT THAT NATION. JUST THE OPPOSITE. IT WILL BRING HARM TO THAT NATION.
Dude, do you not believe that words of the bible? You don't. Your statement implies that the bible is wrong, is a lie.
He who sows to the flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption. Galatians 6. Apostle Paul, Inspired of God.
Quit trashing the truth.
No need for this petty back and forth. It belies the bigger issue. For either side ought not be persecuted for their views on this matter. If it pertains to their job let the consequences pertain to their status with that job, not punishments like jailings.
EDIT: Nor is anyone here on this topic stupid for their thoughts, but consider them. Modern problems, some are hard indeed!
EDIT: Nor is anyone here on this topic stupid for their thoughts, but consider them. Modern problems, some are hard indeed!
You know men have been beat and even killed for being gay, right?
I am not saying it's wrong or right. (I do think a great deal Iof what I said you have ignored.) I'm saying that regardless of what is wrong or right, you're not going to be heard if you do what you clearly preach against. Divorce is higher among Christians than unbelievers, for Pete's sake! St Paul even tells us this in Romans 2.
Adultury is wrong, stealing is wrong, idol worship is wrong. Paul doesn't pat these on the back and say "Well, your own sins that you prech against doesn't change the fact it's wrong and don't let anyone call you out on it ever!" No, those who practice what they condmen are just as guilty as unbelievers AND even more so because they appeal to God in doing so, and thus turning people from Him.
Jesus spent more time exposing hypocrisy behind doctrines and twisting of text, than He did calling out sin. If He was concered about making a statement on taking a stand against sin, He would have avoided prostitutes, tax collectors, and the like.... like everyone else who was taking their stand againast sin.
BTW, I was making a broad statement about the condoning of divorce in the Church. I wasn't address anyone in particular.
I am not saying it's wrong or right. (I do think a great deal Iof what I said you have ignored.) I'm saying that regardless of what is wrong or right, you're not going to be heard if you do what you clearly preach against. Divorce is higher among Christians than unbelievers, for Pete's sake! St Paul even tells us this in Romans 2.
Adultury is wrong, stealing is wrong, idol worship is wrong. Paul doesn't pat these on the back and say "Well, your own sins that you prech against doesn't change the fact it's wrong and don't let anyone call you out on it ever!" No, those who practice what they condmen are just as guilty as unbelievers AND even more so because they appeal to God in doing so, and thus turning people from Him.
Jesus spent more time exposing hypocrisy behind doctrines and twisting of text, than He did calling out sin. If He was concered about making a statement on taking a stand against sin, He would have avoided prostitutes, tax collectors, and the like.... like everyone else who was taking their stand againast sin.
BTW, I was making a broad statement about the condoning of divorce in the Church. I wasn't address anyone in particular.
How do you hate him? Isn't the point not to persecute anyone for their view? All he said was it does not affect his life, the most base and simple of the arguments, and it is fair. Why need ya'll curse him instead of discuss your views? Consider that this topic pertains to not his life indeed, or our life or my life. It pertains for the moment to the clerk's life here, and she should not be imprisoned or punished so harshly for her views or her conscience.
If I jailed every elected official who doesn't do his/her job according to the law, the halls of most capitols would be empty. It's about time that you wake up and realize that Kim was jailed simply because she was a Christian. When a person is failing to do the job that they are elected to do, every city, state, and federal government has a legal process to remove them from office. Any criminal act, she has committed none, must be prosecuted according to the law. Charge, arrest, arraign, and convict, then sentence.
It's that complex!
It's that complex!
Now, I do agree there is more and more aggression towards Christians. In some cases of lawsuits, I'm almost certain the gay couple was taking advantage of the cultural climate. Suing over a cake? Really? Are Americans so pampered that not getting the exact service they want, when they want it, is labeled persecution and discrimination? Are we so soft that some stranger not liking us can lead to therapy and thereby "emotional damages?" Some of it is quite ridiculous, or at least it appears to me. A boy says he feels like a girl and should be able to change in a locker room with them? And it's up for debate?! Seriously?
So yeah, I totally get this. I get how a gay couple/person can go to some people known to be Christian, provoke them, and then claim harassment. There are certainly some bigoted homosexuals. Although, I can also see how resentment could have built from people of faith stigmatizing them or saying they should go to hell, etc.
But one thing about the increasing pressure on Christians is that in some respects, we deserve it. We oppose something like some pop star with their lyrics and dress... Forgetting we did the same thing to Jerry Lee Lewis or Elvis. Christians in his country have consistently opposed things that they feel threaten the Church attendance, or encourages certain behavior, and makes little to no effort in understanding it. Old Rock and Roll is now considered clean among many Christians... But forgetting the past, we wonder why we have built the reputation we have as bigots. ANYTHING that's not just so is discouraged, some places banned, because it's claimed immoral. Christians have consistently in this country tried to ban ideas/expression or legistate their beliefs.
This is probably the kinda thing Paul had in mind when he said "you reap what you sow."
So yeah, I totally get this. I get how a gay couple/person can go to some people known to be Christian, provoke them, and then claim harassment. There are certainly some bigoted homosexuals. Although, I can also see how resentment could have built from people of faith stigmatizing them or saying they should go to hell, etc.
But one thing about the increasing pressure on Christians is that in some respects, we deserve it. We oppose something like some pop star with their lyrics and dress... Forgetting we did the same thing to Jerry Lee Lewis or Elvis. Christians in his country have consistently opposed things that they feel threaten the Church attendance, or encourages certain behavior, and makes little to no effort in understanding it. Old Rock and Roll is now considered clean among many Christians... But forgetting the past, we wonder why we have built the reputation we have as bigots. ANYTHING that's not just so is discouraged, some places banned, because it's claimed immoral. Christians have consistently in this country tried to ban ideas/expression or legistate their beliefs.
This is probably the kinda thing Paul had in mind when he said "you reap what you sow."
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what does that have to do with this issue? and again pointing to one sin to somehow suggest that other sin must have its place is illogical and unbiblical. Where did Jesus tell a hypocrite "go and promote and approve sin, because your a hypocrite"
Or where did Jesus suggest we should allow homosexual deviants to get married because of folks are hypocrites? That's silly logic ...
Or where did Jesus suggest we should allow homosexual deviants to get married because of folks are hypocrites? That's silly logic ...