Holy - Who Me?

[just-us-2]

We have lost the vision of being holy, and as believers, are merely a group of people who claim to share a common belief in Jesus as our Savior, who live no differently day-to-day than the culture we are surrounded by. Jesus bequeathed to us that vision when He gave his disciples what we call the Great commission in Matthew 28:19-20 (CJB). “Therefore, go and make people from all nations into talmidim [disciples], immersing them into the reality of the father, the Son and the Ruach HaKodesh [Holy Spirit], and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you. And remember! I will be with you always, yes, even unto the end of the age.”

Many places in the scripture tell us that Christians are a people who are supposed to be holy, set apart, consecrated – “a peculiar people” as it is put in the KJV. This is God’s design, His plan, and like everything He does, it requires a response from us – us, we who proudly profess that He is our Lord, our Savior, and our Master…not that an observer would be able to discern it from watching most of us. “Therefore consecrate yourselves—you people must be holy, because I am ADONAI your God. Observe my regulations, and obey them; I am ADONAI, who sets you apart to be holy.” Leviticus 20:7-8 (CJB)

 

[atwhatcost]

We have lost the vision of being holy, and as believers, are merely a group of people who claim to share a common belief in Jesus as our Savior, who live no differently day-to-day than the culture we are surrounded by. Jesus bequeathed to us that vision when He gave his disciples what we call the Great commission in Matthew 28:19-20 (CJB). “Therefore, go and make people from all nations into talmidim [disciples], immersing them into the reality of the father, the Son and the Ruach HaKodesh [Holy Spirit], and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you. And remember! I will be with you always, yes, even unto the end of the age.”

Many places in the scripture tell us that Christians are a people who are supposed to be holy, set apart, consecrated – “a peculiar people” as it is put in the KJV. This is God’s design, His plan, and like everything He does, it requires a response from us – us, we who proudly profess that He is our Lord, our Savior, and our Master…not that an observer would be able to discern it from watching most of us. “Therefore consecrate yourselves—you people must be holy, because I am ADONAI your God. Observe my regulations, and obey them; I am ADONAI, who sets you apart to be holy.” Leviticus 20:7-8 (CJB)

Amen! A few thoughts as I read:

1. Could you keep it in English? Honestly? When I hit the word talmidim, this hit my brain. I am peculiar, but I am not a funny looking tomato! lol

2. This fits in with something another post is about. Lift up thine eyes!

3. I know this. Why don't I always remember this?

4. A big assumption on this site is that because people call themselves Christians they are.

5. Considering the third and fourth thing I wrote, It's really hard to tell if we are or aren't holy, but, man! We really ought to be aiming that way through God in us, so thanks for the reminder and a big AMEN! Preach it, Sis!

 

[shotgunner]

I agree with that. I think however that the only way to do that is to know who you already are because of the finished work of Christ. The only way to change is to change the way you see yourself. As Paul says put on the new man.

The reason we fail miserably is because we are trying to live to the standard of God in our own power. We do not see ourselves as acceptable until we make the proper changes and without embracing the truth that Christ has made us acceptable we can never make those changes.

 

[just-us-2]

Amen! A few thoughts as I read:

1. Could you keep it in English? Honestly? When I hit the word talmidim, this hit my brain. I am peculiar, but I am not a funny looking tomato! lol

2. This fits in with something another post is about. Lift up thine eyes!

3. I know this. Why don't I always remember this?

4. A big assumption on this site is that because people call themselves Christians they are.

5. Considering the third and fourth thing I wrote, It's really hard to tell if we are or aren't holy, but, man! We really ought to be aiming that way through God in us, so thanks for the reminder and a big AMEN! Preach it, Sis!

I laughed so hard when I read what you thought of when reading Talmidim! Yes, ma'am, I will skip the original and just use the English.

Thank you for your comments and the chuckle about tomatillos!

 

[VioletReigns]

Our only vision is the LORD. He is holy. When we attempt to consecrate ourselves, that's when we begin losing sight of Christ Jesus and start condemning men. We are His holy people because He has put His Spirit in us. It is finished!

If you are observing men in the flesh, judging them by what you see on the outward and are concluding that men are not holy, you're under a false perception. That is being sin-conscious by which one will continually try to prove people are sinners.

The Spirit of Christ Jesus is LIFE in men. We ARE the righteousness in Christ because of what the Father has done for us. The LORD GOD is not the master of sinners but LORD of a holy people, thanks to Jesus Christ.

 

[just-us-2]

Everyone should have a general idea of what holiness is, but let’s assume for now that a definition or description is necessary. Since there is an incomplete doctrine that is very popular these days making its mark in the world, the first thing to recognize is that this ‘holiness’ we are talking about is NOT referring to being justified or saved by ‘works.’ Nor is it advocating we must be ‘perfect’ as we normally think of the word. Matthew 5:48 says, “Therefore, be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.” In this context, ‘perfect’ means entire, complete, with sincerity fully developed.

Furthermore, except maybe for those who have been deceived into believing the Law with its moral code is irrelevant now, we [who claim to be Christians] would say we should live holy lives because the scriptures tell us so. But stop and think how horrendously rampant such lip service is today. Christians say the right things while at the same time daily carry on as if they are above having to live holy lives, as Hebrews 12:14 (CJB) says: “Keep pursuing peace with everyone and the holiness without which no one will see the Lord.”

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The question is.

How are we made holy, "more importantly, how are we seen as lights in the world. which is what it would look like to be set apart"

Any christian which would argue we do not need to be lights in the world (set apart) as children of God are in denial.

1. By following the law of moses?

or

2. by following the law of Love, and setting our minds on the things of the spirit.

 

[dcontroversal]

Everyone should have a general idea of what holiness is, but let’s assume for now that a definition or description is necessary. Since there is an incomplete doctrine that is very popular these days making its mark in the world, the first thing to recognize is that this ‘holiness’ we are talking about is NOT referring to being justified or saved by ‘works.’ Nor is it advocating we must be ‘perfect’ as we normally think of the word. Matthew 5:48 says, “Therefore, be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.” In this context, ‘perfect’ means entire, complete, with sincerity fully developed.

Furthermore, except maybe for those who have been deceived into believing the Law with its moral code is irrelevant now, we [who claim to be Christians] would say we should live holy lives because the scriptures tell us so. But stop and think how horrendously rampant such lip service is today. Christians say the right things while at the same time daily carry on as if they are above having to live holy lives, as Hebrews 12:14 (CJB) says: “Keep pursuing peace with everyone and the holiness without which no one will see the Lord.”

For sure many honor God with their lips and their hearts are far from him and if we are all honest we will all say that at one time or another we all fit that bill......A just man will fall 7 times, yet will he rise up!

 

[just-us-2]

It is one thing to slip up and an entirely different thing to practice sin day after day. I would hate to think we are so stupid as to not realize that basic immoral lifestyles – sexual impurity of all kinds, cheating (even on taxes!), lying (even a little), gossip, drunkenness, etc. – are sin and fall far short of the holiness God demands of those who associate themselves with His name. “As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former lusts which were yours in your ignorance, but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; because it is written, "YOU SHALL BE HOLY, FOR I AM HOLY." 1 Peter 1:14-16 (NAS)

This would probably be a good time to bring to mind the words of James 4:17: “So then, anyone who knows the right thing to do and fails to do it is committing a sin.” Simply put, responsibility = the right thing to do. We are responsible for living a ‘holy’ life and most of us try our best for as much as we know. Once we know something we are held responsible by God, to do what we know is right. “In the past, God overlooked such ignorance; but now he is commanding all people everywhere to turn to Him from their sins.” (Acts 17:30) But what about when we see other professing Christians living contrary to God’s demands? Left un-addressed, this evil corrupts the entire body of believers.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Everyone should have a general idea of what holiness is, but let’s assume for now that a definition or description is necessary. Since there is an incomplete doctrine that is very popular these days making its mark in the world, the first thing to recognize is that this ‘holiness’ we are talking about is NOT referring to being justified or saved by ‘works.’ Nor is it advocating we must be ‘perfect’ as we normally think of the word. Matthew 5:48 says, “Therefore, be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.” In this context, ‘perfect’ means entire, complete, with sincerity fully developed.

Furthermore, except maybe for those who have been deceived into believing the Law with its moral code is irrelevant now, we [who claim to be Christians] would say we should live holy lives because the scriptures tell us so. But stop and think how horrendously rampant such lip service is today. Christians say the right things while at the same time daily carry on as if they are above having to live holy lives, as Hebrews 12:14 (CJB) says: “Keep pursuing peace with everyone and the holiness without which no one will see the Lord.”

Thank you for saying this, I did not just want to come in and accuse you of opening up another law thread. And you just made it so I did not have to.

Why do we need all these law threads? are you people crazy???

 

[dcontroversal]

It is one thing to slip up and an entirely different thing to practice sin day after day. I would hate to think we are so stupid as to not realize that basic immoral lifestyles – sexual impurity of all kinds, cheating (even on taxes!), lying (even a little), gossip, drunkenness, etc. – are sin and fall far short of the holiness God demands of those who associate themselves with His name. “As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former lusts which were yours in your ignorance, but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; because it is written, "YOU SHALL BE HOLY, FOR I AM HOLY." 1 Peter 1:14-16 (NAS)

This would probably be a good time to bring to mind the words of James 4:17: “So then, anyone who knows the right thing to do and fails to do it is committing a sin.” Simply put, responsibility = the right thing to do. We are responsible for living a ‘holy’ life and most of us try our best for as much as we know. Once we know something we are held responsible by God, to do what we know is right. “In the past, God overlooked such ignorance; but now he is commanding all people everywhere to turn to Him from their sins.” (Acts 17:30) But what about when we see other professing Christians living contrary to God’s demands? Left un-addressed, this evil corrupts the entire body of believers.

There is NOT a just man upon the earth that does good and sins not...........

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Now.

Can anyone in here believe and understand we can be holy, set apart people living as lights in a wicked and perverse generation AND NOT BE FOCUSED ON THE LAW?????

If you can not believe this, You need to study scripture. for you are no better than the jews, who by the way were removed from their land, because they placed their adherance to the law as more precious than serving the poor. Serving the needy, Helping looking to bring a gentile to salvation, looking to serve the sameritan, Looking to help the poor sick and needy.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There is NOT a just man upon the earth that does good and sins not...........

it amazes me that some people will open thread after thread after thread trying to push law, yet can not see, that following the law would be so condemning (if we really followed the law as it was given) that no one could serve christ with any power?because we would be too tore down by the sin in our life. and end up judging ourselves? (which I have seen so many times)

these lawyers are blind to their own sin, for if they truly tried to follow the law as commanded, they would see how futile it is to do it as God requires (perfection) and condemns anyone who does not follow it that way.

 

[dcontroversal]

it amazes me that some people will open thread after thread after thread trying to push law, yet can not see, that following the law would be so condemning (if we really followed the law as it was given) that no one could serve christ with any power?because we would be too tore down by the sin in our life. and end up judging ourselves? (which I have seen so many times)

these lawyers are blind to their own sin, for if they truly tried to follow the law as commanded, they would see how futile it is to do it as God requires (perfection) and condemns anyone who does not follow it that way.

If one breaks the least command of the law they are guilty of the whole law....it stands and falls together.......what blows my mind is the fact that there was only one who was able to keep the whole law....Jesus.....everyone else fails it in the flesh daily in some form or fashion....that is why the righteousness of GOD has been applied by faith unto those who believe...Jesus took my sin and takes my sin as I take his righteousness as applied by faith unto my born again spirit.......without the deeds of the law...!

Where sin abounds...GRACE did MUCH MORE ABOUND!

 

[Magenta]

A big assumption on this site is that because people call themselves Christians they are.

Does this apply to you, as well?

 

[dcontroversal]

Does this apply to you, as well?

Touche mademoiselle hahah

 

[Magenta]

Touche mademoiselle hahah

I wonder because people often say things like that but usually seem to be pointing their fingers elsewhere

 

[shotgunner]

Everyone should have a general idea of what holiness is, but let’s assume for now that a definition or description is necessary. Since there is an incomplete doctrine that is very popular these days making its mark in the world, the first thing to recognize is that this ‘holiness’ we are talking about is NOT referring to being justified or saved by ‘works.’ Nor is it advocating we must be ‘perfect’ as we normally think of the word. Matthew 5:48 says, “Therefore, be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.” In this context, ‘perfect’ means entire, complete, with sincerity fully developed.

Furthermore, except maybe for those who have been deceived into believing the Law with its moral code is irrelevant now, we [who claim to be Christians] would say we should live holy lives because the scriptures tell us so. But stop and think how horrendously rampant such lip service is today. Christians say the right things while at the same time daily carry on as if they are above having to live holy lives, as Hebrews 12:14 (CJB) says: “Keep pursuing peace with everyone and the holiness without which no one will see the Lord.”

Furthermore, except maybe for those who have been deceived into believing the Law with its moral code is irrelevant now,

Not irrelevant! Not ever! Is Jesus irrelevant? Don't you understand that law, moral code, was only given to show you the impossible standard. Do you think you can be holy by following the law? The reason the law isn't irrelevant is because it is a picture of the perfection of Jesus. That's the standard. God says you can't live up to it. That's why we need Jesus. He is the only one who could ever live up to that standard. In him is the only way we qualify.

Does that mean that I sin more because Jesus kept the law and lived up to the standard for me. NO! Perish that thought! How can I, who understand that I am one with Jesus do something that is against my nature, the new nature that I now have in him? The answer is that the only way I can do those things, is if I don't understand that I am in him with a new nature. I can do those sins only if I am alone trying in my own power to resist sins so that I can be worthy to be in him.

 

[dcontroversal]

I wonder because people often say things like that but usually seem to be pointing their fingers elsewhere

I agree for sure..........me personally...I have said behind the pulpit, on here, in public that no one deserves the right to call themselves a Christian....Christian means Christ like and only JESUS can say if one is truly Christian or not......

 

[Magenta]

I agree for sure..........me personally...I have said behind the pulpit, on here, in public that no one deserves the right to call themselves a Christian....Christian means Christ like and only JESUS can say if one is truly Christian or not......

Personally, I can say without a shadow of a doubt that God put a call on my life, He had His hand on my life for a long time, maybe my whole life. Long before I finally surrendered to Him He was revealing Himself to me, revealing His love, revealing His understanding of my life, revealing His forgiveness. I can also say that I am still in the process of surrendering my will to His, and that discerning His will is not always easy but made tremendously apparent in many ways through Scripture, which I used to push away in disdain, distrust, and distaste, but now Scriptures convict me, guide me, speak to me, encourage, inspire, and slowly transform me. Despite all that I am still a sinner saved by Grace, and I pray God's goodness and mercy follow me all the days of my life. I pray that for any who call themselves a Christian, and even those that do not.