Holy - Who Me?

[atwhatcost]

The question is.

How are we made holy, "more importantly, how are we seen as lights in the world. which is what it would look like to be set apart"

Any christian which would argue we do not need to be lights in the world (set apart) as children of God are in denial.

1. By following the law of moses?

or

2. by following the law of Love, and setting our minds on the things of the spirit.

I absolutely knew I shouldn't read this. Sure enough, here you are again assuming something that isn't even being discussed because your opinion on another topic is so much more important than the actual topic.

 

[shotgunner]

Fruit of the Spirit: MIA

Really! Who was the one accusing? Ever heard of the accuser of the brethren?

 

[atwhatcost]

Thank you for saying this, I did not just want to come in and accuse you of opening up another law thread. And you just made it so I did not have to.

Why do we need all these law threads? are you people crazy???

Why do you insist everything is a law thread? She even mentioned she had you on ignore, so this answer wasn't even to you.

 

[atwhatcost]

Does this apply to you, as well?

I do not have to assume about myself. Why do you feel a need to, yet again, assume something about me?

Borrowing from Violetreign:
☢ Hypocrite -ˈhipəˌkrit
noun: hypocrite; plural noun: hypocrites
a person who indulges in hypocrisy; pretender; deceiver; liar; sanctimonious person; thoughtless toward others

 

[atwhatcost]

Since I cannot control my temper, I've controlled who I see on this site -- my iggy list just got bigger.

 

[posthuman]

what produces a joy that isn't boasting? tell me about that . . don't tell me about something that makes me a slave again to fear.

because

♪ joy has come!
it rises with the Son
He, the highest on the horizon! ♪♪​

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I absolutely knew I shouldn't read this. Sure enough, here you are again assuming something that isn't even being discussed because your opinion on another topic is so much more important than the actual topic.

so your saying my questions were not valid?

Now who is reading into something?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Why do you insist everything is a law thread? She even mentioned she had you on ignore, so this answer wasn't even to you.

why? Because that is exactly what she said.

Everyone should have a general idea of what holiness is, but let’s assume for now that a definition or description is necessary. Since there is an incomplete doctrine that is very popular these days making its mark in the world, the first thing to recognize is that this ‘holiness’ we are talking about is NOT referring to being justified or saved by ‘works.’ Nor is it advocating we must be ‘perfect’ as we normally think of the word. Matthew 5:48 says, “Therefore, be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.” In this context, ‘perfect’ means entire, complete, with sincerity fully developed.

Furthermore, except maybe for those who have been deceived into believing the Law with its moral code is irrelevant now, we [who claim to be Christians] would say we should live holy lives because the scriptures tell us so. But stop and think how horrendously rampant such lip service is today. Christians say the right things while at the same time daily carry on as if they are above having to live holy lives, as Hebrews 12:14 (CJB) says: “Keep pursuing peace with everyone and the holiness without which no one will see the Lord.”

so are you going to sit there like a little kid throwing a tempertantrum because someone hurt your feelings. or admit that that is what this very thread is about. Following the law so we can be holy people.

 

[Magenta]

I do not have to assume about myself. Why do you feel a need to, yet again, assume something about me?

Borrowing from Violetreign:
☢ Hypocrite -ˈhipəˌkrit
noun: hypocrite; plural noun: hypocrites
a person who indulges in hypocrisy; pretender; deceiver; liar; sanctimonious person; thoughtless toward others

What am I assuming? I asked a straight up question, in case you missed it, which it seems you did. Yet again? Funny, since you are the one who claimed I was shoving words in your mouth when I was not even speaking to you. You were offended by your own faulty assumptions and saw fit to blame me for the error of your imagination. But if the shoe fits, by all means, wear it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What am I assuming? I asked a straight up question, in case you missed it, which it seems you did. Yet again? Funny, since you are the one who claimed I was shoving words in your mouth when I was not even speaking to you. You were offended by your own faulty assumptions and saw fit to blame me for the error of your imagination. But if the shoe fits, by all means, wear it.

funny how she keeps making accusations against people. yet she keeps getting caught doing the very thing she is judging others of doing.

actually, it is not funny, it is sad.

 

[Magenta]

Second time being falsely accused by atwhatcost in as many days.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Second time being falsely accused by atwhatcost in as many days.

again, it is sad.. I am sorry you have to go through that

 

[just-us-2]

Well, how about that - I start a thread about how we are told in God's Word to be holy [set apart] because He is holy if we want to be called one of His, and it has produced some pretty 'un-holy' conversations. Now why is that, I wonder?

 

[just-me]

Well, how about that - I start a thread about how we are told in God's Word to be holy [set apart] because He is holy if we want to be called one of His, and it has produced some pretty 'un-holy' conversations. Now why is that, I wonder?

If there is a hint of false doctrines to be exposed which some fervently cling to, then a defensive position is taken, and the incoming fire begins. It's all because of an inward fear that demands the light to be put under a bushel. This is a tactic that will continue until Jesus begins cleaning house with His iron rod.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well, how about that - I start a thread about how we are told in God's Word to be holy [set apart] because He is holy if we want to be called one of His, and it has produced some pretty 'un-holy' conversations. Now why is that, I wonder?

Maybe because you did not start a thread about being Holy (for not even anyone in here would disagree that a child of God should be holy, as you and your husband claim)

But as I proved, you opened another thread to try to show how we are to follow Gods law..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If there is a hint of false doctrines to be exposed which some fervently cling to, then a defensive position is taken, and the incoming fire begins. It's all because of an inward fear that demands the light to be put under a bushel. This is a tactic that will continue until Jesus begins cleaning house with His iron rod.

one of the first things jesus will clean is your holier than thou law pushing, non grace based gospel of works.

 

[atwhatcost]

Well, how about that - I start a thread about how we are told in God's Word to be holy [set apart] because He is holy if we want to be called one of His, and it has produced some pretty 'un-holy' conversations. Now why is that, I wonder?

Because I have the patience of a woman forced to wear clothes with thorns on the inside?

 

[Angela53510]

If you understood the term "santification" which means "made holy" you would not have asked the question in the OP in the first place. Only the Holy Spirit can make us holy, not anything we do.

"And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." Hebrews 10:10 NIV

"And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." Hebrews 10:10

"It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption." 1 Cor. 1:30 NIV
"30 And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption," 1 Cor. 1:30 ESV

The word which is "holy" in the NIV, or santified, sanctification in the ESV, KJV and most versions. The word in Greek is hagiozo.

In Hebrews 10:10, it is the word ἡγιασμένοι or agiasmenoi. It is the perfect passive participle, the meaning is "holy, sanctified or set apart." The fact that it is in the passive, means it is done to us - by God. We are made holy by God! The fact that it is in the perfect tense emphasizes the completed state or condition.

In 1 Cor. 1:30 is ἁγιασμὸς or hagiasmos. It is a noun that means holiness or sanctification. It is also from the root word hagiozo in the Greek.

I could give you countless other examples, but these two will suffice. In Hebrews 10:10, we have been made holy or santified by the body of Jesus Christ - in other words, Christ's death on the cross. The verb form in Greek tells us that God has done this to us and it is forever.

The noun, sanctification or holiness in 1 Cor. 1:30, also tells us that when we are in Christ Jesus, we have God's wisdom, righteousness and holiness.

Instead of throwing around a few Hebrew words, I would suggest that you learn Hebrew and Greek. Then you will be able to correctly discern the Word of God, and not come up with things like the OP.

 

[Karraster]

We have lost the vision of being holy, and as believers, are merely a group of people who claim to share a common belief in Jesus as our Savior, who live no differently day-to-day than the culture we are surrounded by. Jesus bequeathed to us that vision when He gave his disciples what we call the Great commission in Matthew 28:19-20 (CJB). “Therefore, go and make people from all nations into talmidim [disciples], immersing them into the reality of the father, the Son and the Ruach HaKodesh [Holy Spirit], and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you. And remember! I will be with you always, yes, even unto the end of the age.”

Many places in the scripture tell us that Christians are a people who are supposed to be holy, set apart, consecrated – “a peculiar people” as it is put in the KJV. This is God’s design, His plan, and like everything He does, it requires a response from us – us, we who proudly profess that He is our Lord, our Savior, and our Master…not that an observer would be able to discern it from watching most of us. “Therefore consecrate yourselves—you people must be holy, because I am ADONAI your God. Observe my regulations, and obey them; I am ADONAI, who sets you apart to be holy.” Leviticus 20:7-8 (CJB)

Great post sister! It is written: revelation 22:11:

He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

What is Holy? It is the Spirit that works in us, that grace which empowers us to live out a righteous and holy life by His power...separated/set apart from worldly cares/lifestyles. ..................

That same Spirit helps us grow in understanding of His plan and our part in it. It writes His laws on our hearts and in our minds, helping us internalize His way of life and think like He does (Hebrews 8:10). It enables us to transform or change our minds (Romans 12:2)...and be more like Him.

I love Paul's letters to Timothy, particularly 2 Timothy 2. Of course, all of it for context, but for brevity I'll mention just the last verse. ~26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Now, after really looking into this, "snare"..and some versions do say "trap", ( let everyone make up their own mind which word is correct),,I think snare is correct and agrees with other OT scripture. A hunter will know this, but a snare is different than a trap in that a snare is more cunning/hidden, it captures it's prey while they are going about their business doing what they would naturally be doing, where a trap is baited, causing it's prey to do something unnatural..like say, a mouse putting it's nose against a piece of metal attached to a spring. Since I do think "snare" is correct, it leads me to think that those who will be caught by the adversary are also doing what seems right to them. Let Almighty be true and every man a lier..He has given us His instructions, I will follow Him.

 

[atwhatcost]

If you understood the term "santification" which means "made holy" you would not have asked the question in the OP in the first place. Only the Holy Spirit can make us holy, not anything we do.

"And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." Hebrews 10:10 NIV

"And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." Hebrews 10:10

"It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption." 1 Cor. 1:30 NIV
"30 And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption," 1 Cor. 1:30 ESV

The word which is "holy" in the NIV, or santified, sanctification in the ESV, KJV and most versions. The word in Greek is hagiozo.

In Hebrews 10:10, it is the word ἡγιασμένοι or agiasmenoi. It is the perfect passive participle, the meaning is "holy, sanctified or set apart." The fact that it is in the passive, means it is done to us - by God. We are made holy by God! The fact that it is in the perfect tense emphasizes the completed state or condition.

In 1 Cor. 1:30 is ἁγιασμὸς or hagiasmos. It is a noun that means holiness or sanctification. It is also from the root word hagiozo in the Greek.

I could give you countless other examples, but these two will suffice. In Hebrews 10:10, we have been made holy or santified by the body of Jesus Christ - in other words, Christ's death on the cross. The verb form in Greek tells us that God has done this to us and it is forever.

The noun, sanctification or holiness in 1 Cor. 1:30, also tells us that when we are in Christ Jesus, we have God's wisdom, righteousness and holiness.

Instead of throwing around a few Hebrew words, I would suggest that you learn Hebrew and Greek. Then you will be able to correctly discern the Word of God, and not come up with things like the OP.

Hunh?

As in I truly don't know who you're talking to or what you're trying to say to whomever. Are we not to go for holiness with God's help? That's what it sounds like, but that's not something that would come out of you. So, could you please clarify what you're saying and to whom?