Obsession with Confession (1 John 1:9, sin confession)

[Maynard]

Oh my God, I am heartily sorry for having offended You,
and I detest all of my sins, because I dread the loss of heaven, and the pains of hell;
but most of all because they offend You, my GOD, who are all good and deserving of all of my love.
I firmly resolve, with the help of Your grace, to confess my sins, to do penance, and to amend my life.
Amen

Father
Son
Holy Spirit

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Also I never said nor implied that Jesus did not die for future sins, but just like the sins you have committed before you came to the faith you have to receive that remission from the Lord. We do that by repenting, getting baptized, and then confessing the future sins we commit.

Acts 3:19
Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

Conversion is done by baptism..........."may" means conditional..........times of refreshing is forgiveness of future sins when confessed !!!

Once GOD forgives you, then you are forgiven and it only takes once.The spirit is saved and sealed.In the flesh we still sin but the change took place in the spirit now there is no condemnation to them that are in CHRIST JESUS.
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1st John 1:9
king john version(kjv)

9.)If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

 

[BenFTW]

Oh my God, I am heartily sorry for having offended You
and I detest all of my sins, because I dread the loss of heaven, and the pains of hell;
but most of all because they offend You, my GOD, who are all good and deserving of all of my love.
I firmly resolve, with the help of Your grace, to confess my sins, to do penance, and to amend my life.
Amen

Father
Son
Holy Spirit

Oh my God, I am heartily sorry for having offended You, -Okay
and I detest all of my sins, because I dread the loss of heaven, and the pains of hell; - No, where is your assurance?
but most of all because they offend You, my GOD, who are all good and deserving of all of my love. Yes, wonderful
I firmly resolve, with the help of Your grace, to confess my sins, to do penance, and to amend my life. Fruitless but have at it
Amen - No.
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I have responded in red to each point you made in that prayer, there are certain things said that no one here is against. People say be honest with the Lord with your struggles. Its perfectly fine. However you then went off the deep end, speaking from a lack of assurance as if Jesus is unable to save you completely and securely through His finished work. You then speak of doing penance as if it does anything but bring judgement from those with stone in hand, not fully embracing the grace of God and cleansing power of Jesus' blood.

You can make that prayer, feel free. No one is stopping you. However it isn't a great model prayer as it denies a couple important spiritual truths on forgiveness and the way we overcome sin. But as I said, have at it if you want, but confession and penance only have fruit of focusing on sin and not on Christ. It keeps you down and is unable to raise you up. Its good that you acknowledge your sin, but to think that such confession grants forgiveness puts something in between your faith in Jesus Christ, as the sole redeemer of yourself.

It makes you a book keeper, and you better not mess up. I understand wanting to apologize to the Lord, its only human. You don't wish to grieve Him. Thats fine and good, its biblical. However, doing it for forgiveness places your faith in your repentance rather than in the finished work of Jesus. Such a belief puts salvation ultimately in your hands and not in Jesus' hands that hold you securely.

 

[FreeNChrist]

No it is not double minded which shows you do not understand the process in which one receives the remission of sins through the Lord.

It is not given for all sins a person can ever commit in their life at minute one of faith.................

Lord Jesus says (Luke 13:3) unless you repent you will perish, meaning repentance of sins still has to be made to receive that remission through the Lord.

Lord Jesus says (John 3:5) unless you are born again of water and Spirit you can not enter the kingdom of heaven.
The water here is not natural birth as been falsely taught, for even Nicodemus thought it was natural birth and the Lord set him right by telling him he is a teacher of Israel and does not know these things.

Water and blood both have always been used in sanctification !!!

Acts 2:38, 3:19, 19:3-6 all show repentance and baptism is to be done before remission is given.
This remission is only given for those sins up to that point, and future sins still have to receive that remission and this is done by confessing them and continuing to walk in the light. (1 John 1:7-9)

You may want to believe all sins are forgiven at minute one of faith, but there is absolutely no scripture that actually say that. It says His sacrifice was for all sins, but does not say that all sins receive them immediately.

Just more of the same. You say you have forgiveness, and then you argue against having forgiveness.

 

[ladylynn]

Oh my God, I am heartily sorry for having offended You,
and I detest all of my sins, because I dread the loss of heaven, and the pains of hell;
but most of all because they offend You, my GOD, who are all good and deserving of all of my love.
I firmly resolve, with the help of Your grace, to confess my sins, to do penance, and to amend my life.

Amen

Father
Son
Holy Spirit

Hey we used to say this it's called 'the Act of Contrition' prayer., but it went like this and we memorized it in Catholic school

Oh my God I am heartily sorry for having offended thee. And I detest all my sins because they offend thee my God Who is all good and deserving of all my love. I firmly resolve with the help of thy grace to sin no more and avoid the near occasion of sin.

We said this when we went into the confessional to confess our sins to the priest behind the curtain. I'm very thankful we can go to God ourselves in Christ without the veil or curtain., we need no other mediator but Jesus. He is our Great High Priest Who ever maketh intercession for us.

Just heard something majorly interesting., that under the old covenant, the sins were forgiven until the next time they sinned and then they had to go again the next day and make another sin offering. Their forgiveness lasted only as long as the the next time they sinned and then they had to bring another offering for sin. It was continual for those old testament saints. Their salvation was not forever like ours. They had to keep on making confessions and blood sacrifices.

We are not to make the blood of Jesus common like that of the blood of bulls and goats., His is an everlasting sacrifice. Those old covenant saints were not saved for good like us new covenant saints. Something to think about.

 

[Mec99]

Nowhere in the Scriptures does God tell us we are to confess our sins to a Catholic Priest. God does tell us we are to confess our sins to those around we whom we have sinned against.

Besides why would you confess your sins to a Catholic Priest who molest children?

 

[KennethC]

I don't believe in works salvation but I do believe that if the faith is true that it will result in good physical works.

Once GOD forgives you, then you are forgiven and it only takes once.The spirit is saved and sealed.In the flesh we still sin but the change took place in the spirit now there is no condemnation to them that are in CHRIST JESUS.
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1st John 1:9
king john version(kjv)

9.)If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Again you are going by only half of what Apostle Paul was saying in Romans 8, as the reason the "who walk by the Spirit and not be the flesh" was added to the end of verse 1 is because that is exactly what Paul spends over half of chapter 8 saying.

Those who continue to walk in/by the flesh (sinful) can not pleas God and are still enmity to God for their carnal ways.

Only by walking in the Spirit is there no condemnation because those fruits of His will lead a person to abstain from sinning deliberately which in turn keeps them from being under the law, and under the law there is still condemnation.



You say you don't believe in a true saving faith being a active faith, or as you have said in that bad term that gets thrown around to loosely, "works salvation."

But answer me this if you believe you can separate the walk from the faith for salvation:

Can a homosexual who is engaged in a gay relationship be saved continuing this way and get eternal life ???

If you say no then that proves the walk/actions in the faith do matter, but if you say yes then you just made the gospel of Christ to allow lewdness which the bible says is wrong (Jude 1:4)!!!

 

[KennethC]

Just more of the same. You say you have forgiveness, and then you argue against having forgiveness.

If that is what you think then you are completely misreading my posts !!!

 

[FreeNChrist]

If that is what you think then you are completely misreading my posts !!!

Yeah, it's gotta be my reading comprehension.

 

[KennethC]

Yeah, it's gotta be my reading comprehension.

If the shoe fits, because I have never argued against having forgiveness.

I just put it in the proper perspective, thanks be to God, on how that remission/forgiveness from the Lord is received.


You do realize that Lord Jesus said if you do not forgive others their sins, you will not be forgiven of yours ???

How could that be possible for the Lord to say that if your future sins are automatically forgiven??? They couldn't be as that would be a contradiction of teaching, as forgiving others comes all throughout ones walk.

If you claim future sins are automatically forgiven then you could go and when a person does you wrong and then says sorry/repents. You could be unforgiving to them as it would not effect you in any way, but that is not what the Lord said when He said if you don't forgive you will not be forgiven.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The simple truth is that if no sin is forgiven until you confess it, we would be bound for hell every time we commit even the smallest infraction. The only way to get to heaven would be to confess all our sins, if that is even possible, and then die in the microseconds afterwards, before we have any chance to sin.

in other words. No person could ever get to heaven, And christ really did die for nothing.

 

[FreeNChrist]

If the shoe fits, because I have never argued against having forgiveness.

I just put it in the proper perspective, thanks be to God, on how that remission/forgiveness from the Lord is received.


You do realize that Lord Jesus said if you do not forgive others their sins, you will not be forgiven of yours ???

How could that be possible for the Lord to say that if your future sins are automatically forgiven??? They couldn't be as that would be a contradiction of teaching, as forgiving others comes all throughout ones walk.

If you claim future sins are automatically forgiven then you could go and when a person does you wrong and then says sorry/repents. You could be unforgiving to them as it would not effect you in any way, but that is not what the Lord said when He said if you don't forgive you will not be forgiven.

The Cross changed everything.

How is it you are committing all of these sins in the future?

 

[shotgunner]

If your future sins aren't forgiven, then you better plan on dying the very second after your last confession because if it's any longer then you are surly bound for hell.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Again you are going by only half of what Apostle Paul was saying in Romans 8, as the reason the "who walk by the Spirit and not be the flesh" was added to the end of verse 1 is because that is exactly what Paul spends over half of chapter 8 saying.

Those who continue to walk in/by the flesh (sinful) can not pleas God and are still enmity to God for their carnal ways.

Only by walking in the Spirit is there no condemnation because those fruits of His will lead a person to abstain from sinning deliberately which in turn keeps them from being under the law, and under the law there is still condemnation.



You say you don't believe in a true saving faith being a active faith, or as you have said in that bad term that gets thrown around to loosely, "works salvation."

But answer me this if you believe you can separate the walk from the faith for salvation:

Can a homosexual who is engaged in a gay relationship be saved continuing this way and get eternal life ???

If you say no then that proves the walk/actions in the faith do matter, but if you say yes then you just made the gospel of Christ to allow lewdness which the bible says is wrong (Jude 1:4)!!!

Those who walk by the spirit are saved and those who walk by the flesh are not saved.

If you have been born again you are a new creation and that's where you should be renewing your mind.

The part about the homosexual is that if the person was really saved they will be renewing their mind and if their is no change/fruit then I would doubt their salvation.

Forgive me but I can't get to a desktop computer to write my response clearer but I will say that there is salvation and there is sanctification.Saving Faith is never alone but salvation is by Faith alone.

 

[KennethC]

The Cross changed everything.

How is it you are committing all of these sins in the future?

The cross did not do away with the Lord's teachings and commandments, and if you believe that then you need to reread the epistles from the Apostles as you will see they confirmed and expounded on everything the Lord said.

It was not fulfilled or done away with on the cross to where believers do not still have to follow what He said !!!

 

[KennethC]

If your future sins aren't forgiven, then you better plan on dying the very second after your last confession because if it's any longer then you are surly bound for hell.

I guess you miss the point where Peter, Paul, and John all three say that if you walk in the fruits of the Spirit they will keep you from stumbling.

If you stumble then you have to confess and return to the Lord, and just to make things clear you do not have to pinpoint every single sin by name. A general confession for forgiveness is enough, plus this comes to the heart to as God knows who was genuine in how they felt when they sinned and if they are sorry for what they did and who deliberately did it with no sorrow.

 

[KennethC]

Those who walk by the spirit are saved and those who walk by the flesh are not saved.

If you have been born again you are a new creation and that's where you should be renewing your mind.

The part about the homosexual is that if the person was really saved they will be renewing their mind and if their is no change/fruit then I would doubt their salvation.

Forgive me but I can't get to a desktop computer to write my response clearer but I will say that there is salvation and there is sanctification.Saving Faith is never alone but salvation is by Faith alone.

You can not have it both ways if a saving faith is not alone, then neither is a faith that leads to salvation.

Because again salvation is the promise received at the end of our faith, not the beginning !!!

"For you have need of endurance so that when you have done the will of God you will receive what is promised."
(Hebrews 10:36)

"This is the promise which He Himself made to us: eternal life."
(1 John 2:25)

 

[seed_time_harvest]

You can not have it both ways if a saving faith is not alone, then neither is a faith that leads to salvation.

Because again salvation is the promise received at the end of our faith, not the beginning !!!

"For you have need of endurance so that when you have done the will of God you will receive what is promised."
(Hebrews 10:36)

"This is the promise which He Himself made to us: eternal life."
(1 John 2:25)

Again Kenneth I don't believe in works for salvation but I believe good works will result from salvation.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The cross did not do away with the Lord's teachings and commandments, and if you believe that then you need to reread the epistles from the Apostles as you will see they confirmed and expounded on everything the Lord said.

It was not fulfilled or done away with on the cross to where believers do not still have to follow what He said !!!

How good is good enough.

Where is the cut off point where I am in the middle where I am either good enough to earn salvation. or not good enough that I have lost salvation?

 

[FreeNChrist]

The cross did not do away with the Lord's teachings and commandments, and if you believe that then you need to reread the epistles from the Apostles as you will see they confirmed and expounded on everything the Lord said.

It was not fulfilled or done away with on the cross to where believers do not still have to follow what He said !!!

Jesus was a Jew living and teaching under the old covenant. Forget that and you will shipwreck your faith.

Under the Law that's the way forgiveness worked. That's the way everything worked. Do to get. Do this and God will do that. But Christians are under a different program. Under grace it's do as God has already done for you. If God has forgiven you, and He has, then who are you to withhold forgiveness from others?

Ephesians 4:32 "Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you."