U.S. Supreme Court declines stay 4 clerk refusing to issue gay marriage certificates

[PennEd]

These guys are saying they won't allow the unlawful and immoral, and arbitrary judge to jail Kim Davis again. So this is the question we face. There is no "New World" for Christians to flee to. We helped fight for the formation of this country from British tyranny. Is this the time to fight? Is this the time in History that Christians completely capitulate to tyranny and persecution? History has shown that the total implementation of socialism (tyranny) has always resulted in millions of deaths and untold misery.

[video=youtube;x2Z5e13hZzw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=48&v=x2Z5e13hZzw[/video]

 

[Galahad]

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal -- Abraham Lincoln

Abe held classical-liberal views. Freedom, equality, an end to slavery, the black vote, the female vote. He was an equal rights activist, back when it wasn't cool.

That's it! How many years ago? How many years ago from Abraham's address? Okay. Here it is. Watch.

Year of Gettysburg Address: 1863
Fourscore and Seven years: 87
Fourscore and Seven years ago: Subtract: 1863-87 = 1776. That's the year of the Declaration of Independence.

And here are the words: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator.

Oh, and do you want to debate your last ignorant remarks about Abraham Lincoln?

 

[Galahad]

That's it! How many years ago? How many years ago from Abraham's address? Okay. Here it is. Watch.

Year of Gettysburg Address: 1863
Fourscore and Seven years: 87
Fourscore and Seven years ago: Subtract: 1863-87 = 1776. That's the year of the Declaration of Independence.

And here are the words: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator.

Oh, and do you want to debate your last ignorant remarks about Abraham Lincoln?

That's it! How many years ago? How many years ago from Abraham's address? Okay. Here it is. Watch.

Year of Gettysburg Address: 1863
Fourscore and Seven years: 87
Fourscore and Seven years ago: Subtract: 1863-87 = 1776. That's the year of the Declaration of Independence! That's what President Lincoln was referring to. It's what I referenced.

And here are the words: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator.

And also note this now from the Gettysburg Address: that this nation under God....

Not a Christian nation! Just believe what you hear. Don't study it for yourself.

I wouldn't be pushing your remarks too much about Lincoln. They are not all accurate.

 

[Mitspa]

These guys are saying they won't allow the unlawful and immoral, and arbitrary judge to jail Kim Davis again. So this is the question we face. There is no "New World" for Christians to flee to. We helped fight for the formation of this country from British tyranny. Is this the time to fight? Is this the time in History that Christians completely capitulate to tyranny and persecution? History has shown that the total implementation of socialism (tyranny) has always resulted in millions of deaths and untold misery.

[video=youtube;x2Z5e13hZzw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=48&v=x2Z5e13hZzw[/video]

In my view ...especially as believers we should do all in our power to use the political process ...I understand the desire of some to take up a defense but I could not agree with it at this point.

 

[Galahad]

You folks don't seem to know your bible...maybe that's why your defending evil....Jesus told the rich man to sell all he had..give it away and follow him .

The one you are responding to deliberately posts false information. She distorts the issue to mislead folks. Coming from someone who misapplies and misinterprets the bible, that's to be expected.
She believes homosexual marriages fit right into the plan of God. Yep. She supports it.

 

[Dude653]

13 years ago today, 19 min flew planes into buildings because they felt like they were following God's law over man's. It kills me how everyone is calling his tyranny. When you break the law ,.you go to jail. What happens when other public officials start ignoring the law to suit their own purposes. We cannot encourage this type of behavior from our public officials. Do you remember when prayer was taken out of schools because one person didn't like it? One person should not get to impose his or her will over other taxpaying citizens. Those same sex couples are taxpayers and deserve the same service as the rest of us. I'm glad a judge stood up and said no, this will not stand.

 

[crossnote]

13 years ago today, 19 min flew planes into buildings because they felt like they were following God's law over man's. It kills me how everyone is calling his tyranny. When you break the law ,.you go to jail. What happens when other public officials start ignoring the law to suit their own purposes. We cannot encourage this type of behavior from our public officials. Do you remember when prayer was taken out of schools because one person didn't like it? One person should not get to impose his or her will over other taxpaying citizens. Those same sex couples are taxpayers and deserve the same service as the rest of us. I'm glad a judge stood up and said no, this will not stand.

Exodus 1:15-21 KJV
[15] And the king of Egypt spake to the Hebrew midwives, of which the name of the one was Shiphrah, and the name of the other Puah: [16] And he said, When ye do the office of a midwife to the Hebrew women, and see them upon the stools; if it be a son, then ye shall kill him: but if it be a daughter, then she shall live. [17] But the midwives feared God, and did not as the king of Egypt commanded them, but saved the men children alive. [18] And the king of Egypt called for the midwives, and said unto them, Why have ye done this thing, and have saved the men children alive? [19] And the midwives said unto Pharaoh, Because the Hebrew women are not as the Egyptian women; for they are lively, and are delivered ere the midwives come in unto them. [20] Therefore God dealt well with the midwives: and the people multiplied, and waxed very mighty. [21] And it came to pass, because the midwives feared God, that he made them houses.

We are told to obey all in authority. These midwives did not and were blessed by God. There are times when civil disobedience is needed when the law is contrary to God's. Also, there is Rahab, hiding the spies, Daniel and his 3 companions, those who hid the Jews from the godless Jew hater. Dude, you might not understand conviction and a godly conscience but why criticize those who do?

 

[Mitspa]

13 years ago today, 19 min flew planes into buildings because they felt like they were following God's law over man's. It kills me how everyone is calling his tyranny. When you break the law ,.you go to jail. What happens when other public officials start ignoring the law to suit their own purposes. We cannot encourage this type of behavior from our public officials. Do you remember when prayer was taken out of schools because one person didn't like it? One person should not get to impose his or her will over other taxpaying citizens. Those same sex couples are taxpayers and deserve the same service as the rest of us. I'm glad a judge stood up and said no, this will not stand.

Dude if you don't understand the difference between our faith in Christ and the teachings of this false prophet...then who can help you? To relate the two is really a insult, especially since you claim to be a Christian?

 

[ENLIGHTEND]

your exactly wrong. the majority don't get to rule. we live in a democracy. even the little guy has a voice.being gay isn't a choice, do you really think anyone would choose be outcasts being called names and hated by the religious of the world. no one would choose that. and if god is gonna burn them forever and ever and ever then gime them a break I guess god will mess them up. if its what he wantsanyway being gay and getting married is a civil right. you have the right to do whatever you want as long as you don't hurt anyone and follow the law. where would women be today if christens ruled? blacks would still be slaves and the church can do whatever it wanted. that's not the America I want to live in sounds like iran. or north korea

 

[Mitspa]

your exactly wrong. the majority don't get to rule. we live in a democracy. even the little guy has a voice.being gay isn't a choice, do you really think anyone would choose be outcasts being called names and hated by the religious of the world. no one would choose that. and if god is gonna burn them forever and ever and ever then gime them a break I guess god will mess them up. if its what he wantsanyway being gay and getting married is a civil right. you have the right to do whatever you want as long as you don't hurt anyone and follow the law. where would women be today if christens ruled? blacks would still be slaves and the church can do whatever it wanted. that's not the America I want to live in sounds like iran. or north korea

no we live in a constitutional republic ...and being a sexual deviant is not a civil right...its a perversion. And no society should desire that this perversion be approved and promoted anymore that any other deviant behavior.

 

[Omni]

So? Lots of sick things in our society that don't directly effect an individual, but is destructive to the society as a whole. And the whole point of this thread proves this perversion is having a direct effect on Christians.

Homosexuality is destructive to society as a whole if you look at society from a Christian perspective. We don't all look at it that way.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

your exactly wrong. the majority don't get to rule. we live in a democracy. even the little guy has a voice.being gay isn't a choice, do you really think anyone would choose be outcasts being called names and hated by the religious of the world. no one would choose that. and if god is gonna burn them forever and ever and ever then gime them a break I guess god will mess them up. if its what he wantsanyway being gay and getting married is a civil right. you have the right to do whatever you want as long as you don't hurt anyone and follow the law. where would women be today if christens ruled? blacks would still be slaves and the church can do whatever it wanted. that's not the America I want to live in sounds like iran. or north korea

Being gay is a choice, as well as being straight or being celibate or being whatever. Sexual urges are not something that are physically impossible to deny, you can choose to ignore them, therefore homosexuality is 100% a choice.
And no, the way you have sex is in no way equal to the color of a persons skin in anyway, and people of races who face real discrimination because of it are right to be upset by this comparision.







And I dont understand the people who are going on about rights in this conversation. They are going on and on and on about peoples rights to do whatever they want, but 100% support a woman being jailed for her own right to not be forced to go against her religion. Do they really have some need to protect the rights of a "defenseless" people? Or are they really just waging a war on God?

 

[ENLIGHTEND]

are you gay?

 

[ENLIGHTEND]

do you believe that what the westboro church is right?

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Homosexuality is destructive to society as a whole if you look at society from a Christian perspective. We don't all look at it that way.

Actually homosexuality is destructive. Leaving out disease, when the reproductive rate of a people drops below I think 2.5, they become incapable of sustaining their own culture and are doomed to die away. I watched a video on this a few months ago, many European nations are actually doomed to die off now because their people have not been reproducing enough, I think France was a part of that.

Here soon it will be an Arab nation because of its lack of reproduction. So yes, believe it or not, reproduction IS still a concern today. Homosexuality in no way helps with this issue.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

are you gay?

I once was transgender and homosexual, and lived that way my whole life until God showed me what was going to happen to me when I died. It was then that I turned from that life, and learned its not really /that/ bad to turn from your desires, if you make the choice to do so and set your heart on things that matter over fulfilling your own wishes no matter what

I still have the urge sometimes, yeah. And my life is not truly hurt by denying it in any real way

do you believe that what the westboro church is right?

Not even relevant.

 

[ENLIGHTEND]

so if you ran americe it would be a theracracy were no one has a choice. kinda like what isis is doing or iran Saudi arabia. we had our dark ages. its there turn. this war will never end because no one will give up on a belief so lots of innocence will die a lot of children. so you can feel good about your self. religion is the ultimate selfishness. you think god cares about you. and he talks to you. he gives you a new tranmisson if you pray. but screw all the children of poor countrys who have no food and no one cares cause there is no oul there. its sad u think ur sooo important. i don't judge because your a little brainwashed. all you have to do is look around. see what makes people happy. as far as loving goes. i will kill or die for my kids. no question asked even if god said hed fry me
i love my family more then i love me. and i don't care. if god wants to sent me to hell because i gave up on him then so be it only i wouldn't do the same to him. even satan don't deserve to burn forever. what was his crime. disobey god?

 

[ENLIGHTEND]

your living an unfulfilling non happy life. i bet your depressed and u don't know y. ill tell you. u let people tell u who your supposed to love and how. be a humane. god made you who you are. and god don't make mistakes. enjoy life. u only get one shot at it. your not coming back

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

but screw all the children of poor countrys who have no food and no one cares cause there is no oul there. its sad u think ur sooo important. i don't judge because your a little brainwashed. all you have to do is look around. see what makes people happy. as far as loving goes. i will kill or die for my kids. no question asked even if god said hed fry me
i love my family more then i love me. and i don't care. if god wants to sent me to hell because i gave up on him then so be it only i wouldn't do the same to him. even satan don't deserve to burn forever. what was his crime. disobey god?

I cant lie, I only understood like half of your post here. And blaming God for the poor, have you ever stopped to ask yourself what YOU are doing for those starving children? You are typing to me on your own computer right now, which probly cost you enough money to feed a family for a month. You blame God for the hungry, but do we ever look at ourselves, and consider how much we are doing for them?
And loving your family is not a sin? But anywho, nothing God has asked of us is too much, it is only our own selfish selves who blame God and fight against Him for meaningless desires. And btw you can be in love without the desire to do perverted things to the one you love, the two things are not equal.

your living an unfulfilling non happy life. i bet your depressed and u don't know y. ill tell you. u let people tell u who your supposed to love and how. be a humane. god made you who you are. and god don't make mistakes. enjoy life. u only get one shot at it. your not coming back

Haha, no Im fine I would have said all that in the past yeah, but I can assure you I did so in order to justify doing it, but in reality I am fully capable of living without those things and be happy, and so are the people who are living that life now, even though they tell you they couldnt
If you talked to a rich person about giving up all their money and living their life as a poor person, they would also probly tell you they could never do it, and yet there are countless poor people who live their life everyday, and even find happiness in their life It takes a step to stop obsessing on your own desires, and being happy with what you already have. And its entirely possible, if the person will actually take that first step willingly.

 

[ENLIGHTEND]

yes i volunteer. i give money to the homless and i don't tell them there going to hell if they don't believe my god is real. the funny thing is the islamists believe your going to hell because you deny there god(the funny thing is there the same god)