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yes i volunteer. i give money to the homless and i don't tell them there going to hell if they don't believe my god is real. the funny thing is the islamists believe your going to hell because you deny there god(the funny thing is there the same god)
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You give some money to the homeless, can you still tell me you are doing everything in your power to help those who are without?

And the funny thing is, if you actually read the bible, and the quran, you would see they arent even close to the same god. Even if muslims tell you they are.


And its not the fact that your doing religion "wrong" that you are condemned, its because you are already a sinner that you are condemned. If you deny the one who shed His blood for you, and if the spilling of blood is the ONLY way God will forgive sins, in what way can you be saved?
 
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you havnt read the bible. Abrahams wife i believe sara couldn't have a kid, so what did she do... told Abraham to sleep wih the maid so he could have a kid. her name was hagar. any guess who the kid was?
 
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it was ishmel. the patriarch of all muslims. according to the muslims ishmel was going to be sacrificed by Abraham. but sara kicked her and the kid out of the house. god told her not to worry. he would make them a great nation. thus islam. by the way god is yehwey not johava. jovaha is mentioned twice in the king james but a misspelling of yehwey
 
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i can forgive god for killing himself. to appease himself for a rule he made. it all sounds silly when you ask people to believe. first of all god killed everything on earth only to let it happen again?and somehow satan has more control then god?isiah i wanna say 147:5 or 145 :either way god says this. i form the light and create darkness i make peace and create evil. i the lord do all these things. why would god create
something he didn't want?
 
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Im aware of Ishmael, I also know the prophecy about him as well. About how he would be a wild ass, and be in the face of his brothers and those around him.


And yeah I know that the muslims call allah the "god of Ishmael", which goes against what the Jewish/Christian God tells us what His name would be. The God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob.


And there are many many reasons I could explain to you why the two arent the same god, but just one is enough. Find me one verse in the torah or gospel that support the idea that a meteorite fallen from space was sent by God in order to cleanse us from our sins. This goes against the teachings of the torah and the gospel, which tell us the only thing that will cleanse our sins is a blood sacrifice. The bowing down before the kabaa stone is unbiblical, and it is idolatry. The old testament calls the Messiah the right hand of God, yet the muslims call the kabaa stone his right hand. This entire act takes away one of the biggest and most important teachings of the torah and the gospel, and it absolutely does not fit with the two.
 
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i can forgive god for killing himself. to appease himself for a rule he made. it all sounds silly when you ask people to believe. first of all god killed everything on earth only to let it happen again?and somehow satan has more control then god?isiah i wanna say 147:5 or 145 :either way god says this. i form the light and create darkness i make peace and create evil. i the lord do all these things. why would god create
something he didn't want?
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God gave us the Messiah because of our own wrong doings, for our own evil deeds, He died for us. It is a gift from God to completely forgive us of all our evil deeds, and it is in no way wrong.


And God does take credit for putting us through hardship, yes. Now you should learn why He does this.

And where do you get that satan has more control than God? Men make their own choices, God does not make our choices for us. Satan may lead you to sin, but we make the choice to follow it.
 
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ishmel weather u like it or not was first born. that makes him air to the blessing . but the bible don't work that way god rewards decietfullness look at Jacob he wasn't first born and he stole his brothers blessing. gods cool with that. and when Abraham went to Egypt and told pharo sarah was his sister so farrow takes her and god punishes pharo for nutn. and Abraham walked out with everything. another story. the ten plagues of Egypt cause moses couldn't take his people. so god hardens pharos heart. so he wont letthe people go. and god only tortures these people just because he is god also god murdered innocent children all for a point. if that isn't evil i don't know what is. what exactly did satan do? that is much worse then that?
 
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ishmel weather u like it or not was first born. that makes him air to the blessing . but the bible don't work that way god rewards decietfullness look at Jacob he wasn't first born and he stole his brothers blessing. gods cool with that. and when Abraham went to Egypt and told pharo sarah was his sister so farrow takes her and god punishes pharo for nutn. and Abraham walked out with everything. another story. the ten plagues of Egypt cause moses couldn't take his people. so god hardens pharos heart. so he wont letthe people go. and god only tortures these people just because he is god also god murdered innocent children all for a point. if that isn't evil i don't know what is. what exactly did satan do? that is much worse then that?
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Enlightened,

Prior to Sara giving Abraham her servant girl, Hagar, God had made a promise to Abraham that he would visit him and he would have a son, by Sara. Ismael was not the child by God's promise, but Sara's attempt to bring about the promise in the natural way. When God told Abraham that he would be the father of many nations, that promise was to come through his son of promise, Issac. Abraham was credited with righteousness because he believed God regarding that promise. Now everyone who has the same faith as father Abraham are those people of the promise and are also credited with righteousness.

You need to understand that God is the creator of all things. He is sovereign which means that he can do whatever he wants. You should then check your attitude when speaking of him, for how can those who are created question or challenge the One who created them. Will you counsel God on what he can and can't do? You need to learn the fear of God.
 
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If you can show me in the Bible where it says we aew to force Christianity on others thru the Judicial system then I will eat the page
 
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Homosexuality is destructive to society as a whole if you look at society from a Christian perspective. We don't all look at it that way.
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Well this is a Christian forum.... did you know that? And any reasonable person should see that the promotion of deviant lifestyles is not healthy for a society.
 
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If you can show me in the Bible where it says we aew to force Christianity on others thru the Judicial system then I will eat the page
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Rejecting the promotion of sexual perversion and deviant behavior in our society is not forcing faith on anyone, its being a good citizen and trying top shape a healthy society. ... Can you not see the difference?
 
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oh ya satan killed jobes family...with gods permission
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Yes it seems those who promote this sin often think they make the rules and God just don't have the right...
 
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Rejecting the promotion of sexual perversion and deviant behavior in our society is not forcing faith on anyone, its being a good citizen and trying top shape a healthy society. ... Can you not see the difference?
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The whole point of being a parent is to raise godly offspring. Standing idly by while deviant lifestyles permeate society sort of flies in the face of that...don't it.
 
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The whole point of being a parent is to raise godly offspring. Standing idly by while deviant lifestyles permeate society sort of flies in the face of that...don't it.
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Must of sucked being a Christian parent in the Roman empire, huh?

Or a Christian parent in a Muslim country today.
 
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The whole point of being a parent is to raise godly offspring. Standing idly by while deviant lifestyles permeate society sort of flies in the face of that...don't it.
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It other words, you must control what other people do or say in order to discpline and teach your own children?

I'm not going to go on a tanget about American parents like I usually do, but that's a BIG problem... That you alone are not responsible for raising your child, everyone else is responsible for the morality of your children. Much easier to pass blame that way when they do go astray.
 
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It other words, you must control what other people do or say in order to discpline and teach your own children?

I'm not going to go on a tanget about American parents like I usually do, but that's a BIG problem... That you alone are not responsible for raising your child, everyone else is responsible for the morality of your children. Much easier to pass blame that way when they do go astray.
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No but we need to take the politics and political correctness and social engineering out of schools and teach them critical thinking, math, science and whatnot....and they need to go to the bathrooms and locker rooms that correspond with the plumbing they possess. All the social engineering does is give them a crutch and teach them how to use them or it to get ahead..... instead of being a productive member of society and working hard to be successful.

If you have a kid in your class that is missing an arm....do you point out to him that he is missing an arm...or do you teach him how to use his knee in its place.....that sort of thing. The gay agenda is nothing more that a full frontal assault on the family...and the family is what holds a nation together. A strong family is an insurance policy for future success of said nation.
 
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jamie26301 said:
It other words, you must control what other people do or say in order to discpline and teach your own children?

I'm not going to go on a tanget about American parents like I usually do, but that's a BIG problem... That you alone are not responsible for raising your child, everyone else is responsible for the morality of your children. Much easier to pass blame that way when they do go astray.
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Yes the miss place blame game our society has lead people into believing is ridiculous.

Me and my sisters grew up listening to the same music, watching the same movies, and playing the same video games that they try to say causes people to kill and steal. But because of the environment we grew up with good parents disciplining us we never murdered anybody.
 
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No but we need to take the politics and political correctness and social engineering out of schools and teach them critical thinking, math, science and whatnot....and they need to go to the bathrooms and locker rooms that correspond with the plumbing they possess.
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" ....they need to go to the bathrooms and locker rooms that correspond with the plumbing they possess" sorry,that made me lol even though you are being serious. I think i'll be using the loo at home or taking some form or adult diaper with me.Seriously,liberals will do anything to get a vote. smh
 
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And I dont understand the people who are going on about rights in this conversation. They are going on and on and on about peoples rights to do whatever they want, but 100% support a woman being jailed for her own right to not be forced to go against her religion. Do they really have some need to protect the rights of a "defenseless" people? Or are they really just waging a war on God?
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But taking an oath to the country is different. You swear to uphold the law and AGREE to the consequences of breaking your oath. The bible even teaches not to break your oaths. It's ironic that she's in the situation she's in because she did what Jesus warns against - swearing alligeince or swearing faithfulness.

Matthew 5
 
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