Tree of "Good and Evil". What is it really?

[RussellJBenigno]

what exactly is he wrong about? and why does it matter what "group" anyone belongs to. the truth can be held in the minority of one regardless of their group.

The problem is the message is a threat to their belief system, in the same way Jesus' message was a threat. Those of us who carry the same message as Jesus, rock the boat of the religious. I believe that when Jesus returns many in the modern church will rise up against Him as part of the anti-Christ army.

 

[FreeNChrist]

I find it the height of arrogance to tell God what He can do and not do. Your argument is with Him and His Word, that should tell you something about yourself. I'm just pointing out what is written.

LOL. I'm not telling God anything. I'm telling you.

 

[Cateau]

You are right! There are many who worship the enemy. I'm not saying we must be careless or not discern. Of course we need to discern. There are people who don't speak in tongues and blaspheme God. I have heard it on this forum, not all who say Lord, Lord are His. Then there are people who have spoken in tongues and delivered a beautiful Gospel message in the native tongues of people. God said He would allow a spirit of self deception take hold on people in these last days and a great falling away in the church. I believe that falling away is here and now. I see the self deception with no apparent cause. We must rest in the power of God. We must yield to the Holy Spirit and not man made doctrines. So yes these are dangerous times and all the more for us to rest in God.

But how can we kno if we follow the correct spirit. If "he" has said b/c we dont believe what hes said about things here much less would we believe about his etherreal courts/kingdom. Without this knowing of how his world works and only ours then we dont understand the paradigm of status for the "others" besides the Chernobyl ect. With soo many saying Allah, Buddah, Jesus, Jehovah, Yeshua, Vishnu, the virgin Mary saved me how can we be certain when they're prayers are answered its not b/c a deamon is trying to win souls for his team but that He has allowed this since He is the figurehead in his kingdom while the rest are lesser "gods" in their opinion might their souls still be saved? This all depends on how it, the "upstairs" works. Its too much to theorize and without the revelation of who He is in the paradigm besides the trinity but in respects to the lower cast of the levels in that world, if he does take on diff names ect or was culturally butured in the diff religions and txts....we cant be sure of who He is perhaps the tree as mentioned in pbs was his wife and He didnt say b/c we wouldnt believe but it would make sense the world knew of Him by looking at how zeus and vishnu had a wife, and simmilar stories. Might servitude to them lead to salvation and if not is it b/c of idolatry due to one name only to the Highest? Without it we are all idolaters. But Jehova is a feminine name and Jesus a roman one does that skew who he is or does he accept the worship? There is no 1 church anymore but what was the faith before. I can only acknowledge His existence at this point....the sense of the trinity and how the govt is working towards 1 govt 1 religion or none at all but to worship someone I dont know how can we? unless like Moses we see Him face to face.

 

[RussellJBenigno]

LOL.

(John 8:47 [TS98])
“He who is of Elohim hears the Words of Elohim, therefore you do not hear because you are not of Elohim.”

 

[RussellJBenigno]

But how can we kno if we follow the correct spirit.

Your thinking to hard and confusing yourself. Let's bring it down to simplicity. God is a rewarder of them that seek Him. Let's make it even more simple and use generic terms. Forget all the names and theories. The Creator desires communion with the creation. Seek the Creator and you will find the creator because the Creator is more than willing to reveal. There is only one Creator, one power, one source of life and the most beautiful Loving thing you could ever imagine . Start there.

 

[posthuman]

If a cat reproduces, it reproduces cats. If a tree reproduces, it reproduces a tree. If God reproduces He reproduces what? If I am born of God, what does that make me?

that makes Jesus Christ, the only begotten of the Father, God.

but we, through Him, may become adopted sons & daughters.

the little path you're heading down makes every atom of the universe a 'god' -- the penultimate pantheism.

but you already call things 'god' that are not God, don't you?

The stones would cry out because every atom or particle is a resonating frequency of light, a piece of God.

. . .

I find it the height of arrogance to tell God what He can do and not do.

i find it pretty arrogant to set yourself, a mere man, equal to God.
so your 'argument' is also with the Lord & His word.

Now the Egyptians are men, and not God;
and their horses flesh, and not spirit.
(Isaiah 31:3) ​

 

[posthuman]

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[oldhermit]

I don't know how this clown got so swollen up with himself but he is certainly no prophet. He is nothing but an arrogant, self-exalting abuser of scripture and everyone would do well to simply ignore him.

 

[FreeNChrist]

I don't know how this clown got so swollen up with himself but he is certainly no prophet. He is nothing but an arrogant, self-exalting abuser of scripture and everyone would do well to simply ignore him.

Yeah but how do you really feel??

 

[gkroo]

Originally Posted by Cateau

But how can we kno if we follow the correct spirit.

Joh_10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

 

[convallaria]

Many people don't understand how a prophet see's and understands the message they are given. I can speak on the subject as one who is part of the 5 fold ministry to the church. What is it that prophets see and hear? Prophets don't see in one dimension. They see in multiple dimensions of time, spirit and the physical. The prophet Ezechiel is speaking in the present and past in the same breath. In the Book of Revelations even into the future. The prophet is seeing the physical and spiritual also. Those who don't understand this, don't comprehend what the prophet is saying and it is a mystery to them. Those who have ears to hear; it will be made clear; but to the religious and reprobate this is frightening. This thread is for those who desire to learn and grow in understanding.

I agree with what you said here exactly. It is a shock to discover that others do not see things the same way we see them but I guess that is because they either have a different role in the body (not all are prophets) or they are reprobate and cannot hope to know, unless they get saved themselves and endued with power from on high.

It is not just the simple things we see, but the significance of those things like you said.

For instance I had a dream lately about someone I am close to who has long hair. Their hair was loose and they were standing in front of me stripped to the waist, saying "R is really angry with me". That was all the dream was, and then I woke up.

Pretty simple huh, but what does it signify?

I have learned that in prophetic dreams there is nothing INsignificant. God was showing me that a) the person had let their hair down, i.e. was relaxing to the point of lacking discipline; they were also stripped to the waist meaning they had become exposed to something, had exposed themselves willingly.... to something that R saw was not good so that R became angry. I know that this was a warning and I had to speak about it but as far as the details of what they were exposed to and how they were letting their hair down, that is none of my business until God shows me...IF He shows me. Suffice it for now that I mentioned the issue kindly and we will see what transpires.

So yes there are actually layers of truth in what God reveals, and if we approach the things He shows us in the word and through dreams/visions etc. in simplicity, the layers of meaning become clear. There is no need to intellectualize everything, filling it all up with scriptures to emphasise our case, as some do who constantly want to oppose us, because God is already infinitely more clever than we all are... so far better to be as little children in the sense of not knowing anything until our Father shows us...and then it becomes clear.....because He WANTS to show us.

I will go back and read the OP again when less tired, and reach for the multiple truths God is revealing here.

 

[Cateau]

Your thinking to hard and confusing yourself. Let's bring it down to simplicity. God is a rewarder of them that seek Him. Let's make it even more simple and use generic terms. Forget all the names and theories. The Creator desires communion with the creation. Seek the Creator and you will find the creator because the Creator is more than willing to reveal. There is only one Creator, one power, one source of life and the most beautiful Loving thing you could ever imagine . Start there.

Maybe we should all hold hands...if monks meditation can make sewage water clean and a baptists/mormans prayers can make a person see and walk then miracles have nothing to do with god thats just the law of attraction at play. When the song of the bird is decyphered and plants are vocal they can tell us which god made them but till then i wont risk the wrong one just acknowlege intelligent design and be grateful and keep putting the puzzle together.

 

[meccalli]

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

If you're open to apocrypha, Enoch details and corroborates this prophecy stating that the Tree of life shall be transplanted in Jerusalem in God's holy city.

The tree of knowledge also was there, of which if any one eats, he becomes endowed with great wisdom.
[SUP]4It was like a species of the tamarind tree, bearing fruit which resembled grapes extremely fine; and its fragrance extended to a considerable distance. I exclaimed, How beautiful is this tree, and how delightful is its appearance!
[SUP]5Then holy Raphael, an angel who was with me, answered and said, This is the tree of knowledge, of which your ancient father and your aged mother ate, who were before you; and who, obtaining knowledge, their eyes being opened, and knowing themselves to be naked, were expelled from the garden.
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[RussellJBenigno]

Maybe we should all hold hands...if monks meditation can make sewage water clean and a baptists/mormans prayers can make a person see and walk then miracles have nothing to do with god thats just the law of attraction at play. When the song of the bird is decyphered and plants are vocal they can tell us which god made them but till then i wont risk the wrong one just acknowlege intelligent design and be grateful and keep putting the puzzle together.

God meets people where they are at and then builds from there. God is faithful to do what is always right. If it takes a bird or a plant to reach someone, God will do it. We must not limit God with our limited understading.

 

[RussellJBenigno]

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

If you're open to apocrypha, Enoch details and corroborates this prophecy stating that the Tree of life shall be transplanted in Jerusalem in God's holy city.

The tree of knowledge also was there, of which if any one eats, he becomes endowed with great wisdom.
[SUP]4It was like a species of the tamarind tree, bearing fruit which resembled grapes extremely fine; and its fragrance extended to a considerable distance. I exclaimed, How beautiful is this tree, and how delightful is its appearance!
[SUP]5Then holy Raphael, an angel who was with me, answered and said, This is the tree of knowledge, of which your ancient father and your aged mother ate, who were before you; and who, obtaining knowledge, their eyes being opened, and knowing themselves to be naked, were expelled from the garden.
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A very interesting and beautiful rendition of a possible scenario in the garden.

 

[RussellJBenigno]

I agree with what you said here exactly. It is a shock to discover that others do not see things the same way we see them but I guess that is because they either have a different role in the body (not all are prophets) or they are reprobate and cannot hope to know, unless they get saved themselves and endued with power from on high.

It is not just the simple things we see, but the significance of those things like you said.

For instance I had a dream lately about someone I am close to who has long hair. Their hair was loose and they were standing in front of me stripped to the waist, saying "R is really angry with me". That was all the dream was, and then I woke up.

Pretty simple huh, but what does it signify?

I have learned that in prophetic dreams there is nothing INsignificant. God was showing me that a) the person had let their hair down, i.e. was relaxing to the point of lacking discipline; they were also stripped to the waist meaning they had become exposed to something, had exposed themselves willingly.... to something that R saw was not good so that R became angry. I know that this was a warning and I had to speak about it but as far as the details of what they were exposed to and how they were letting their hair down, that is none of my business until God shows me...IF He shows me. Suffice it for now that I mentioned the issue kindly and we will see what transpires.

So yes there are actually layers of truth in what God reveals, and if we approach the things He shows us in the word and through dreams/visions etc. in simplicity, the layers of meaning become clear. There is no need to intellectualize everything, filling it all up with scriptures to emphasise our case, as some do who constantly want to oppose us, because God is already infinitely more clever than we all are... so far better to be as little children in the sense of not knowing anything until our Father shows us...and then it becomes clear.....because He WANTS to show us.

I will go back and read the OP again when less tired, and reach for the multiple truths God is revealing here.

Yes! We see in part and understand in part. Many times what we see will also be made clear later. That is a very good example of a prophetic dream. Many times the meaning is subtle in the unconscious part of our memory. We kind of know, but are not sure until God corroborates the dream.

 

[LieDetector]

Yes but havnt u heard these r dangerous end times. There was an instance when after someone spoke in tounges, they feeling blessed looked at their fellow brethren and shocked at what they heard they told the person he had just blasphemed the HS in their native language. When the evil forces are working from the inside out how can we be sure of anything unless ..we pray yes ...but also we must discern "them" from Him. And i feel many worship and heed to the enemy.

I have heard demonic tongues. I only know of 2 instances where this happens

1. The individual was SO desirous of receiving the gift that they opened themselves up to anything and because they did not guard themselves an evil spirit gave them what they wanted

2. The individual was a victim of satanic abuses and has not been delivered yet. They think their gift is from God but it's from the enemy

The enemy can give people 'false anointings' and can copy-cat the true giftings. I know a man who years ago was one of those John MacArthur followers. Like MacArthur he taught seminars telling people the gifts of God don't exist today - He said that while he was 'preaching' those lies he literally felt a tangible anointing and thought it was God's anointing and empowerment but it wasn't from God it was from satan! One day the Lord showed up and corrected him and he repented and now he functions in many of the giftings and he can see the difference between the anointing that came from darkness and the TRUE anointing that comes from Yahweh.

Yes, trying times we are in.. the enemy is a liar and is lying to many about the gifts of Holy Spirit!

 

[RussellJBenigno]

I have heard demonic tongues. I only know of 2 instances where this happens

1. The individual was SO desirous of receiving the gift that they opened themselves up to anything and because they did not guard themselves an evil spirit gave them what they wanted

2. The individual was a victim of satanic abuses and has not been delivered yet. They think their gift is from God but it's from the enemy

The enemy can give people 'false anointings' and can copy-cat the true giftings. I know a man who years ago was one of those John MacArthur followers. Like MacArthur he taught seminars telling people the gifts of God don't exist today - He said that while he was 'preaching' those lies he literally felt a tangible anointing and thought it was God's anointing and empowerment but it wasn't from God it was from satan! One day the Lord showed up and corrected him and he repented and now he functions in many of the giftings and he can see the difference between the anointing that came from darkness and the TRUE anointing that comes from Yahweh.

Yes, trying times we are in.. the enemy is a liar and is lying to many about the gifts of Holy Spirit!

Kind of like Paul the Pharisee who thought he was a defender of the faith and was really fighting against Jesus Christ. Many today will find themselves aligned with the anti-Christ when Jesus returns.

 

[Tintin]

Kind of like Paul the Pharisee who thought he was a defender of the faith and was really fighting against Jesus Christ. Many today will find themselves aligned with the anti-Christ when Jesus returns.

Just make sure YOU are also not making the Bible something it isn't.

 

[LieDetector]

Kind of like Paul the Pharisee who thought he was a defender of the faith and was really fighting against Jesus Christ. Many today will find themselves aligned with the anti-Christ when Jesus returns.

Amen to that Russell. As it was in the days of Yeshua on earth and as it was in the days of Paul, there was only a small group who chose to believe the truth.
It is the same today. Only a small percentage of those who claim the title of believer/Christian truly are. The rest are busy persecuting them!
What's below will go over like a rat-sandwich for some readers but that can't be helped.. lol...

Philadelphia 1.Theyhave "a littlestrength ['dunamis,'ordinarily translated 'power']." Since this is meant as atribute, we infer that He is talking about the power ofgodliness. Theirpossession of this power will set them apart from others in the LastDays who will have only the form ofgodliness (2Tim. 3:5). Through the Holy Spirit, who is the source of this power,they will exhibit a character antithetical tothe character of false Christians. The terms describing them will beexact opposites of the terms Paul uses in 2 Timothy 3. Instead ofbeing lovers of self, for example, they will be lovers of God. Yeteven so, their strength will be little, no doubt in comparison withthe church after Pentecost. Perhaps the Lord is suggesting alsothat thiswill not be a large church.

2.Philadelphia will keep the Word of God. They will revereevery word of it asinerrant truth. They will reject corrupt texts and versions. Theywill renounce hermeneutical approaches which belittle thesupernatural.And they will studythe Scriptures diligently astheir rule of doctrine and practice.

3. Philadelphiawill not deny the name of Christ. Underpersecution, they will remain faithful to Him,and theywill not demean His name by encouraging the unruly to believe thatthey can claim His salvation without submitting to His Lordship.In other words, theywill live in the age of easy-believism, when many will useChristianity as a cloak for worldly and corrupt lives.
Onequality never mentioned in the letter to Philadelphia mustnevertheless be the most outstanding quality of this church, for thename Philadelphia means "brotherly love." Now the warningin James takes on added significance (James 5:8-9). "Grudging"here signifies absence of love. Let us therefore be diligent to makereal and maintain our love for each other.

Despitethe godly character of the Philadelphians, they will not bewell-liked inthe world. Theywill particularly suffer the persecution of a synagogue of Satan (v.9). It was an actual synagogue of Jews that persecuted the originalchurch of Philadelphia.They were Jews by birth, but not Jews in God's sight, for they lackeda right relationship with God. Therefore, they had no right toconsider themselves the people of God (Rom. 2:28-29). What is thesynagogue of Satan that will trouble Philadelphia on the eve ofChrist's return? The word "synagogue" just means"assembly." Theassembly of Satan is evidently a body of people whose membersconsider themselves the people of God, but are self-deceived.In reality, they do the bidding of Satan. Thesefalse Christians will cast reproach on Philadelphia and hinder itswork in every way possible, perhaps even calling it a deviant orcultic form of religion.But when the time of judgment arrives, the Lord will show Hisapproval of Philadelphia by requiring all its detractors to bow downand kiss the feet of the saints they so viciously maligned.

Supporting scripture...
Revelation 3
To the angel of the church in Philadelphia write:
These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open. 8 I know your deeds. See, I have placed before you an open door that no one can shut. I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. 9 I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars—I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you. 10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth. <= That's what I'm holding onto while the 'synagogue' rallies and makes their noise..the bit before it sounds pretty darn appealing too huh? lol!