God did away with some of His own sayings

[just-me]

It's alright. I prefer looking at the whole Bible and it was two people but still those who begged for the old covenant laws and prophets instead of the indwelling Holy spirit died in the wilderness and did not enter God's rest.

I know Israel did not want to hear God speaking, but rather Moses listening to God and relaying God's message to them (Exodus 20), but I never related it to Israel demanding the legalities of God's the law.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I think it was 2 people Joshuah from Ephraim and Caleb from Judah. Do you have scripture that says God offered Israel the plan of salvation before the giving of the law?

You telling me that the children of Israel did not know what Abraham knew? And oses knew, before the law was given? What kind of question is this?

Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith. Habakkuk

For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. Romans 1:17

Sounds like what Arial was trying to say, Ironic isn't it. She said the same thing, yet you judged her.. SMH!

 

[BarlyGurl]

If no one over twenty was allowed to cross except two, and they left Egypt 40 years earlier and wandered the desert, then all who left Egypt except two died in the wilderness. Only their children born in the wilderness cross over.

Salvation only through grace and faith. For the law makes no one righteous but condemns all as sinners falling short of the glory of God.

The only "good news"/ gospel I will hear is Christ crucified for our salvation and that our Redeemed lives!

Seriously, You need to go back and read your bible some more. The people did not die in the wilderness for failing to keep the law... but the text DOES tell you what they did to not enter the promised land. It also specifically says WHY only the children crossed the Jordan.

 

[just-me]

If no one over twenty was allowed to cross except two, and they left Egypt 40 years earlier and wandered the desert, then all who left Egypt except two died in the wilderness. Only their children born in the wilderness cross over.

Salvation only through grace and faith. For the law makes no one righteous but condemns all as sinners falling short of the glory of God.

The only "good news"/ gospel I will hear is Christ crucified for our salvation and that our Redeemed lives!

The 20 years or less started when they left Egypt, not when they got to the promised land. Sorry if I wasn't clear. I did some research on the age of Joshua after the 40 years in the wilderness, and I calculated that he was about 85 years old by that time.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

>>>Covering of nakedness with animals skins by God symbolizes Christ righteous and imputation work of the cross.<<<

Sorry but your are GOING TOO FAR. Animal skins covering nakedness do NOT represent Jesus righteousness and imputed work of the cross. The clothing of ANIMAL SKINS was specifically to demonstrate SACRIFICE, which covered Adam and Eve's sin. The scriptural lesson is SIN and Sacrifice.... had Adam and Eve NOT eaten of the tree of knowledge... SIN would never have been an issue. Christ was ALREADY present from the beginning. Adam and Eve were not being "pointed" to Christ... they were being taught about THEIR sin.

Wow.

1. Adam was naken and God saw him for what he was.
2. The spilt blood and flesh of the animal who was innocent covered the nakedness of adam (who he really was) so his sin could not be seen.

no wonder you buy into legalism. its not enough the symbolism of the lamb shed for the sin of the people does not get you to understand but other symbols do not help you either.

 

[Ariel82]

Animal skins can only come from killing of animals. The Blood of Christ covers our sins like the old testament of animal sacrfice.

Adam and eve tried to cover their nakedness with for leaves but their own works were not good enough. God gave them animal skins.

Abraham was to sacrifice his son but in his place God provide another animal sacrifice.

For our sins, instead of our death or many animal sacrifices we are cover by Jesus blood and buried with Him our sins. Therefore if we did to our son and worldly lusr, we can have new life through the indwelling Holy Spirit....


I do not go too far. Others do not dig deep enough.

For without sin there would not be a need for the animal skins. For through one man. Adam sin was brought into the world and through one Man, Christ Jesus is sin defeated.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I agree. There is only one scripture reference in the NT that says "atonement," which is a covering. All the rest that are related to salvation is the "remission" of sins like a cancer that is cured step by step.

So the animal skin did not "cover" the nakendness?? as the blood of the animal did not cover the top of the mercy seat?

 

[just-me]

Seriously, You need to go back and read your bible some more. The people did not die in the wilderness for failing to keep the law... but the text DOES tell you what they did to not enter the promised land. It also specifically says WHY only the children crossed the Jordan.

You might be in error my friend.
Numbers 14:22-23
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Because all those men which have seen my glory, and my miracles, which I did in Egypt and in the wilderness, and have tempted me now these ten times, and have not hearkened to my voice;

[SUP]23 [/SUP]Surely they shall not see the land which I sware unto their fathers, neither shall any of them that provoked me see it:

 

[BarlyGurl]

Sounds like what Arial was trying to say, Ironic isn't it. She said the same thing, yet you judged her.. SMH!

If you EVER learn the distinction between judging a PERSON and judging thing (saying, item, belief, food, whatever)it would make a big difference in your thinking... but by now... since it has been mentioned to your before... I have to wonder if you are just doing it ON PURPOSE.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

>>>>It's alright. I prefer looking at the whole Bible and it was two people but still those who begged for the old covenant laws and prophets instead of the indwelling Holy spirit died in the wilderness and did not enter God's rest.<<<

Um... who begged for the old covenant??? the Isrealites? Since the NEW COVENANT was not put into effect until Jesus lived and DIED.... how would the isrealites get the INDWELLING Holy Spirit???

as for the indwelling HS. No one ever recieved the permanent indwelling (seal) of the spirit until pentecost. Which was before the NT was written also. but long after these people had died and went to their eternal destinations.

of course, if you asking how they were saved.

Oh I do not know.. prhaps The same way Adam did? Noah Did? Abraham, joseph and his 12 sons did?

 

[BarlyGurl]

You might be in error my friend.
Numbers 14:22-23
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Because all those men which have seen my glory, and my miracles, which I did in Egypt and in the wilderness, and have tempted me now these ten times, and have not hearkened to my voice;

[SUP]23 [/SUP]Surely they shall not see the land which I sware unto their fathers, neither shall any of them that provoked me see it:

No we are saying the same thing.... The people did not die in the wilderness for failing to perform the law.... they didn't cross over because THEIR HEARTS WERE REBELLIOUS. They grumbled, they murmured, they complained and would not TRUST God...ie., LOVE HIM.

 

[just-me]

Animal skins can only come from killing of animals. The Blood of Christ covers our sins like the old testament of animal sacrfice.

Adam and eve tried to cover their nakedness with for leaves but their own works were not good enough. God gave them animal skins.

Abraham was to sacrifice his son but in his place God provide another animal sacrifice.

For our sins, instead of our death or many animal sacrifices we are cover by Jesus blood and buried with Him our sins. Therefore if we did to our son and worldly lusr, we can have new life through the indwelling Holy Spirit....


I do not go too far. Others do not dig deep enough.

For without sin there would not be a need for the animal skins. For through one man. Adam sin was brought into the world and through one Man, Christ Jesus is sin defeated.

I don't understand what you are saying "Therefore if we did to our son and worldly lusr, we can have new life through the indwelling Holy Spirit...."

Could you explain a little more about what this means? I agree with the rest of your post.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Seriously, You need to go back and read your bible some more. The people did not die in the wilderness for failing to keep the law... but the text DOES tell you what they did to not enter the promised land. It also specifically says WHY only the children crossed the Jordan.

lol. Maam, I am sorry, But you need to do what you just asked someone to do. because you just stuck your foot in your mouth.

If they obeyed the law given moses, and the law which they had all afirmed they would "confirm every word written n the law and obey" by saying amen. They would never have worshiped other Gods (breaking the law) and God would have allowed them to enter.

And your saying that since Moses did not enter, he is in hell or what are you saying?

 

[just-me]

No we are saying the same thing.... The people did not die in the wilderness for failing to perform the law.... they didn't cross over because THEIR HEARTS WERE REBELLIOUS. They grumbled, they murmured, they complained and would not TRUST God...ie., LOVE HIM.

But that was after God gave the law at Sinai. There's nothing to rebel against if it hasn't been given or existed yet. God said that they had "not hearkened to my voice;"

 

[Ariel82]

I know Israel did not want to hear God speaking, but rather Moses listening to God and relaying God's message to them (Exodus 20), but I never related it to Israel demanding the legalities of God's the law.

Remember when they asked Jesus about divorce?

It was added because of sin. A law added because of sin. If they allowed God's holy spirit to teach their heart it would not have been needed because they would love their spouse as themselves and be of one flesh. Who then could divide them?

But sin makes people need more rules.

Most people can drink a sip of alcohol without getting drunk, but an addict needs to abstain completely because they are weak and it is too great a temptation.

Those still growing, weak in faith and trust need more laws to help them build faith in God's ability to keep them. They need more reminders.


People who have dropped into deep sin: murders, etc need more rules and guidelines to avoid temptation.

Those who have been or are currently under demonic attack may need the comfort of the law.

Those who have freedom to eat meat should not ridicule those who abstain.

For we fast when we feel God is far from us, we feast when we know the Bridegroom is near.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Animal skins can only come from killing of animals. The Blood of Christ covers our sins like the old testament of animal sacrfice.

Please go back to school. Your not helping yourself

You said, "Animal skins can only come from killing of animals"

News flash, Animal sacrifice was required for atonment, in order to sacrifice an animal, you had to kill the animal!

Adam and eve tried to cover their nakedness with for leaves but their own works were not good enough. God gave them animal skins.

Yep. Blood had to be spilt to cover their sin.

Abraham was to sacrifice his son but in his place God provide another animal sacrifice.

you mean an animal had to die?

Please. think about what your saying, please?? When we get angry, we say things which make us look bad, and you are doing this right now..

 

[BarlyGurl]

I notice sometimes when people get to discussing the "law" that the focus can get concentrated on the law "clauses" or works if you will... and people seem to forget what the #1 issue is ALL THE TIME... and why the "clauses" were given. Ha, I have to "check" myself for that... the focus is not supposed to be the law, rather the LAWGIVER.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If you EVER learn the distinction between judging a PERSON and judging thing (saying, item, belief, food, whatever)it would make a big difference in your thinking... but by now... since it has been mentioned to your before... I have to wonder if you are just doing it ON PURPOSE.

lol. See what anger and spite does to you?

I just said that one person claimed another person said something that was in error. when they both said the exact same thing.

And you judge me and doing something wrong?

 

[just-me]

Remember when they asked Jesus about divorce?

It was added because of sin. A law added because of sin. If they allowed God's holy spirit to teach their heart it would not have been needed because they would love their spouse as themselves and be of one flesh. Who then could divide them?

But sin makes people need more rules.

Most people can drink a sip of alcohol without getting drunk, but an addict needs to abstain completely because they are weak and it is too great a temptation.

Those still growing, weak in faith and trust need more laws to help them build faith in God's ability to keep them. They need more reminders.


People who have dropped into deep sin: murders, etc need more rules and guidelines to avoid temptation.

Those who have been or are currently under demonic attack may need the comfort of the law.

Those who have freedom to eat meat should not ridicule those who abstain.

For we fast when we feel God is far from us, we feast when we know the Bridegroom is near.

You are right

Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Galatians 3:19

 

[BarlyGurl]

But that was after God gave the law at Sinai. There's nothing to rebel against if it hasn't been given or existed yet. God said that they had "not hearkened to my voice;"

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