Discussing the Garden of eden event

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Blain

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So everyone knows the story of man kinds fall because of a women! Jk please don't take offense lol
You know everyone says if eve hadn't eaten that forbidden fruit bla bla bla, but tbh if she didn't I think someone else would have. I mean the temptation of secret knowledge at you finger tips and say that adam and eve made our human race vast like it is today are telling me not one person would dare touch it?

But what about the garden itself? God made mankind pure and innocent like a child having no sin he put in the garden the tree of life and the tree of good and evil not to mention he allowed satan the serpent to be in that garden with his creation full knowing how satan was and how he worked not to mention God is all knowing he knows what happens before it happens right? Do you know what I think? I think that it was a test of some sort, why would God make a paradise a literal heaven on earth and put that tree there while also allowing satan in the garden?
 
JesusLives

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Test of loyalty and obedience.
 
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Blain said:
So everyone knows the story of man kinds fall because of a women! Jk please don't take offense lol
You know everyone says if eve hadn't eaten that forbidden fruit bla bla bla, but tbh if she didn't I think someone else would have. I mean the temptation of secret knowledge at you finger tips and say that adam and eve made our human race vast like it is today are telling me not one person would dare touch it?

But what about the garden itself? God made mankind pure and innocent like a child having no sin he put in the garden the tree of life and the tree of good and evil not to mention he allowed satan the serpent to be in that garden with his creation full knowing how satan was and how he worked not to mention God is all knowing he knows what happens before it happens right? Do you know what I think? I think that it was a test of some sort, why would God make a paradise a literal heaven on earth and put that tree there while also allowing satan in the garden?
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Did satan sin in the gaerden first ? Was decieving Eve the first sin ?
 
Blain

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ELECT said:
Did satan sin in the gaerden first ? Was decieving Eve the first sin ?
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No his first sin was rebelling against God in the first place
 
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Blain said:
So everyone knows the story of man kinds fall because of a women! Jk please don't take offense lol
You know everyone says if eve hadn't eaten that forbidden fruit bla bla bla, but tbh if she didn't I think someone else would have. I mean the temptation of secret knowledge at you finger tips and say that adam and eve made our human race vast like it is today are telling me not one person would dare touch it?

But what about the garden itself? God made mankind pure and innocent like a child having no sin he put in the garden the tree of life and the tree of good and evil not to mention he allowed satan the serpent to be in that garden with his creation full knowing how satan was and how he worked not to mention God is all knowing he knows what happens before it happens right? Do you know what I think? I think that it was a test of some sort, why would God make a paradise a literal heaven on earth and put that tree there while also allowing satan in the garden?
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If God is all knowing and knows what happens before it happens, and I agree He does, then why would He need to test their loyalty and obedience?
 
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FreeNChrist said:
If God is all knowing and knows what happens before it happens, and I agree He does, then why would He need to test their loyalty and obedience?
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This is a good question isn't it? in the same way when he made mankind he must have known all that would have happened and the heartache he would face the pain of sacraficing his own son and yet he made us and when we fell he loved us still. His ways are far beyond our understanding but it must be a love that is to deep for us to imagine to know all this make us and deal with us while loving us the same
 
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Blain said:
So everyone knows the story of man kinds fall because of a women!
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Scripture makes it clear that that sin and death entered the world through Adam. ;)
 
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Magenta said:
Scripture makes it clear that that sin and death entered the world through Adam. ;)
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Hmm? well I haven;t read genesis in a long time but does that mean that eve had no sin when she took that bite?
 
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FreeNChrist said:
If God is all knowing and knows what happens before it happens, and I agree He does, then why would He need to test their loyalty and obedience?
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Probably some great, awesome, grand plan of how awesome God is well before He created the universe? Lol
 
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Blain said:
Hmm? well I haven;t read genesis in a long time but does that mean that eve had no sin when she took that bite?
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Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned.​

But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many.

For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ. Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous. (Romans 5:12, 15, 17–19)
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Hmm? well I haven;t read genesis in a long time but does that mean that eve had no sin when she took that bite?
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Not entirely sure of that answer..some thoughts, authority of the earth was given to Adam, commands were given directly to Adam, therefore perhaps Adam told Eve Gods commands? You see her answer to the serpent was a bit muddled so Satan got through to Adam through the woman because he was the one who received direct command and seeing the Eve didn't actually die eating the fruit?
 
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How and why did the fall really occur?

Why would a righteous God allow evil to come into the world?

Christian theologians have been asking that question, and studying that question, for 2,000 years.
It even makes up an entire field of study called theodicy.

There are different points of view, but it's important to have an understanding of it from scripture, because it's a very important question in apologetics. You will often hear lost people ask this question when trying to come to grips with the nature of God and the fallen world we liven in.

Sometimes the real answers we find in scripture aren't very satisfying to our human, and limited, sense of justice. The real question is not "What do I think about God allowing evil to come into the world", but rather, "Why did God, in his own infinite foreknowledge, allow evil to come into the world."
 
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Blain said:
Hmm? well I haven;t read genesis in a long time but does that mean that eve had no sin when she took that bite?
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No, that's not the case. It's just that Adam, being the first man and head of humanity (chief, king etc.) was responsible for the actions of 'his' people. That, and he did nothing to stop his wife.
 
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maxwel said:
How and why did the fall really occur?

Why would a righteous God allow evil to come into the world?

Christian theologians have been asking that question, and studying that question, for 2,000 years.
It even makes up an entire field of study called theodicy.

There are different points of view, but it's important to have an understanding of it from scripture, because it's a very important question in apologetics. You will often hear lost people ask this question when trying to come to grips with the nature of God and the fallen world we liven in.

Sometimes the real answers we find in scripture aren't very satisfying to our human, and limited, sense of justice. The real question is not "What do I think about God allowing evil to come into the world", but rather, "Why did God, in his own infinite foreknowledge, allow evil to come into the world."
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But dang it, we are gonna get to the bottom of it right here at CC!
 
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maxwel said:
Sometimes the real answers we find in scripture aren't very satisfying to our human, and limited, sense of justice. The real question is not "What do I think about God allowing evil to come into the world", but rather, "Why did God, in his own infinite foreknowledge, allow evil to come into the world."
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My take on it, and I will try to be concise as possible, is that we were created to be in relationship with God. God, knowing the nature of flesh, made a way for us to be reconciled to Him even as we are still in the flesh, so that when the new Heavens and the new earth are made, those who submitted to the will of God by believing on His Son will be resurrected to this new life through the righteousness of Jesus Christ, Who is the first fruits of the resurrection.
 
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Well this is a topic I have pondered for some time now. The diffrence in that eve had the conversation with satan, where Adam didn't. Now we could speculate that he was but I'm inclined to think he wasn't due to the nature of Satan taking on the weaker vessel. In fact eve had the courage to tell the Lord what happened, Adam just threw her under the bus. Eve being deceived was. In the transgression but Adam just boldly sinned

The question I always ponder also was could Adam saved eve some how if he did not take of the fruit.??
Some say no because he unlike Jesus was a created being making that null and void. But Adam up in till that point had no sin. He was made with no fornication, he was a son of God, Jesus is refereed to as the second Adam, it's just a thought. If he could how could it be done who knows.
 
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Because you cannot have love without the possibility of hate. You cannot have obedience without the possibility of disobedience. God wanted children that could choose to love him. That choice cannot exist without the possibility of the opposite choice for then it would cease to be a choice.

The sin was indeed Adam's. He was the federal head of mankind. His was the responsibility. Eve ate and gave to her husband there beside her. Eve was deceived but Adam was not.
 
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The tree of life
symbolized the way of God, the law of God, the knowledge of
God. If Adam had eaten from that tree, mankind could have
thrived on the fruits produced by the tree of life; he would
have been given access to the Spirit of God and developed
the mind of God. Peace, abundance, joy and stability could
have encompassed the Earth.


The tree of knowledge of good and evil, on the other
hand, was the tree of Satan—the tree of death. With this tree,
Adam would make it his prerogative to decide for himself,
under the influence of the devil, what was right and what
was wrong, what was good and what was evil. If he made
the decision to eat from this tree, he would be eating the
fruits created by the spirit of Satan, a spirit of envy, vanity,
self-centered lust that results in sickness, violence, jealous
rage and, ultimately, death.

This world is filled with evidence showing what
tree Adam ate from!
 
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Blain said:
This is a good question isn't it? in the same way when he made mankind he must have known all that would have happened and the heartache he would face the pain of sacraficing his own son and yet he made us and when we fell he loved us still. His ways are far beyond our understanding but it must be a love that is to deep for us to imagine to know all this make us and deal with us while loving us the same
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The answer is, He wouldn't. He already knew they would be unloyal and disobedient.
 
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