Discussing the Garden of eden event

[carolb]

God made Adam & Eve to bring forth the adamic soul (Christ) so that all could have a chance to be saved. The first verse in Genisis says the earth became void. This is because in the first earth age (Eon), before Adam & Eve, Satan who was created by God to protect the mercy seat, rebelled. Not only did he rebel but a third of God's angles followed him. Because of this God destroyed the first earth age (the great Catabol). That's where the bible says the earth became void & without form. God doesn't create anything void, he made it happen so that the third of God's children who followed Satan would have a chance to be born of woman, and chose good or evil (free will) to love him. Satan is the only one condemned to die. Many Christians do not know of the three earth ages. The first, which were prior to Genesis,,the second (which we are in now) and then the third, (which will be heaven here on earth). Read the first couple of chapters of Genesis. Men & women (all the different tribes/races) were created on the sixth day, God rested on the seventh day, then Adam & Eve were created on the eight day (to bring forth that adamic soul- Christ), so that we all would be given free will). It is all part of God's plan to let us choose whether to love him or not. To choose right or wrong, good or evil. No where in the bible does it say Apple, and that Eve gave Adam an Apple. He said not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good & evil, or you shall surely die, became the starting point. God already knew they would partake of it. Satan (not literally a snake), beguiled (holy seduced) Eve in the garden. This is where eating the Apple is just not truth. Satan vehicles Eve to stop Christ from coming to save us. Go back to the original manuscript & study to uncover the truth.

 

[Tintin]

God made Adam & Eve to bring forth the adamic soul (Christ) so that all could have a chance to be saved. The first verse in Genisis says the earth became void. This is because in the first earth age (Eon), before Adam & Eve, Satan who was created by God to protect the mercy seat, rebelled. Not only did he rebel but a third of God's angles followed him. Because of this God destroyed the first earth age (the great Catabol). That's where the bible says the earth became void & without form. God doesn't create anything void, he made it happen so that the third of God's children who followed Satan would have a chance to be born of woman, and chose good or evil (free will) to love him. Satan is the only one condemned to die. Many Christians do not know of the three earth ages. The first, which were prior to Genesis,,the second (which we are in now) and then the third, (which will be heaven here on earth). Read the first couple of chapters of Genesis. Men & women (all the different tribes/races) were created on the sixth day, God rested on the seventh day, then Adam & Eve were created on the eight day (to bring forth that adamic soul- Christ), so that we all would be given free will). It is all part of God's plan to let us choose whether to love him or not. To choose right or wrong, good or evil. No where in the bible does it say Apple, and that Eve gave Adam an Apple. He said not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good & evil, or you shall surely die, became the starting point. God already knew they would partake of it. Satan (not literally a snake), beguiled (holy seduced) Eve in the garden. This is where eating the Apple is just not truth. Satan vehicles Eve to stop Christ from coming to save us. Go back to the original manuscript & study to uncover the truth.

Wow! What a load of bunk! You've read something, but it's clearly not the Bible.

 

[ukok102nak]

please try to understand what this verses is trying to say
Genesis 2:4
These are the births of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that יהוה Elohim made earth and heavens.
5 Now no shrub of the field was yet on the earth, and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for יהוה Elohim had not sent rain on the earth, and there was no man to till the ground,
6 but a mist went up from the earth and watered the entire surface of the ground.


behold to all the greatest secret ever told
our lord god who is good and doesnt lie
bless us always

 

[ukok102nak]

try also this verse
Genesis: 5. 1. This is the book of the generation of Adam. In the day that God created man, he made him to the likeness of God. 2. He created them male and female; and blessed them: and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

thank you very much

 

[onlinebuddy]

God made Adam & Eve to bring forth the adamic soul (Christ) so that all could have a chance to be saved. The first verse in Genisis says the earth became void. This is because in the first earth age (Eon), before Adam & Eve, Satan who was created by God to protect the mercy seat, rebelled. Not only did he rebel but a third of God's angles followed him. Because of this God destroyed the first earth age (the great Catabol). That's where the bible says the earth became void & without form. God doesn't create anything void, he made it happen so that the third of God's children who followed Satan would have a chance to be born of woman, and chose good or evil (free will) to love him. Satan is the only one condemned to die. Many Christians do not know of the three earth ages. The first, which were prior to Genesis,,the second (which we are in now) and then the third, (which will be heaven here on earth). Read the first couple of chapters of Genesis. Men & women (all the different tribes/races) were created on the sixth day, God rested on the seventh day, then Adam & Eve were created on the eight day (to bring forth that adamic soul- Christ), so that we all would be given free will). It is all part of God's plan to let us choose whether to love him or not. To choose right or wrong, good or evil. No where in the bible does it say Apple, and that Eve gave Adam an Apple. He said not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good & evil, or you shall surely die, became the starting point. God already knew they would partake of it. Satan (not literally a snake), beguiled (holy seduced) Eve in the garden. This is where eating the Apple is just not truth. Satan vehicles Eve to stop Christ from coming to save us. Go back to the original manuscript & study to uncover the truth.

The Bible does not say that the earth BECAME void. It says that the newly created earth WAS (formless and) void.

Also, are you saying that you and I are fallen angels that God is giving a second chance? Good attempt to explain things; but I'd rather stick to what my Bible says.

Satan is the only one condemned to die.

For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; [2 Peter 2:4]

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

Scripture makes it clear that that sin and death entered the world through Adam.

Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

The problem was that Eve already changed the word of God. God never said if you touch the fruit you will die but He said if you eat the fruit you will die.

Num 30:12 But if her husband hath utterly made them void on the day he heard them; then whatsoever proceeded out of her lips concerning her vows, or concerning the bond of her soul, shall not stand: her husband hath made them void; and the LORD shall forgive her.

The Bible does say that Adam brought sin to the world but I wonder what would have happened if Adam did not eat of the fruit, repented and asked God for forgiveness for what his wife said and did?

maybe this is the reason the Bible tells men to be priest, prophet and king of their household... I know that I sometimes struggle with this

 

[Sanashankar]

It was not possible for Adam and Eve not to sin. They were created for the express purpose of being molded into "the image of God" , and so ofcourse they had to eat the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil or they would have never reached the first step of becoming the image of God.

Gen 3:22 -And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil.

Otherwise why would the scripture say thtat Jesus Christ was chosen as a sacrifical lamb even before the creation of the world??

1Pet 1:18-20 -Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things,as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers
But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot
[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,[/FONT]


[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]It would have said "who was foreordained after Adam sinned"...[/FONT]

 

[Tintin]

It was not possible for Adam and Eve not to sin. They were created for the express purpose of being molded into "the image of God" , and so ofcourse they had to eat the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil or they would have never reached the first step of becoming the image of God.

Gen 3:22 -And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil.

Otherwise why would the scripture say thtat Jesus Christ was chosen as a sacrifical lamb even before the creation of the world??

1Pet 1:18-20 -Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things,as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers
But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot
Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,


It would have said "who was foreordained after Adam sinned"...

Nope. This isn't true. In the beginning, Adam and Eve were created perfect and they had been made in the image of God. Then they ate of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. They were still the created in the likeness of the Creator, but they had fallen and plunged all of humanity and creation into sin. It was no surprise to God that they did this, but nor did God intend for them to reject Him and His goodness by actively disobeying Him.

 

[Sanashankar]

Nope. This isn't true. In the beginning, Adam and Eve were created perfect and they had been made in the image of God. Then they ate of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. They were still the created in the likeness of the Creator, but they had fallen and plunged all of humanity and creation into sin. It was no surprise to God that they did this, but nor did God intend for them to reject Him and His goodness by actively disobeying Him.

Nope. This isn't true. In the beginning, Adam and Eve were created perfect and they had been made in the image of God. Then they ate of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. They were still the created in the likeness of the Creator, but they had fallen and plunged all of humanity and creation into sin. It was no surprise to God that they did this, but nor did God intend for them to reject Him and His goodness by actively disobeying Him.

If they were created in the image of God, or if they were Perfect, Why would they SIN??? How can God's image sin????There is no scriptural proof that Adam and Eve were created perfect...

How come a perfect image of God has a heart like this??
Matt 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

Before even eating the fruit Eve sinned by desiring it

Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Genesis 1:27 And creating (not created but C-R-E-A-T-I-N-G)is the Elohim humanity in His image. In the image of the Elohim He creates (NOT CREATED) it. Male and female He creates them. (NOT CREATED)
(Literal Concordant Bible)

And one more thing....After creating each and everything i.e after creating light,God saw IT WAS GOOD (Gen 1:3-4)
After creating earth and the seas, IT WAS SO and IT WAS GOOD (Gen 1:9-10)
After creating plants and trees, God saw IT WAS GOOD (Gen 1:11)
Sun and Moon- IT WAS SO AND IT WAS GOOD (Gen 1:14-18)
Moving water creatures -IT WAS GOOD (Gen 1:21)
Living creatures, cattles etc -GOD SAW IT WAS GOOD (Gen 1:24-25)

And then He created Man, but HE DID NOT SAY "IT WAS SO" or "IT WAS GOOD".He purposefully left that!!!!!!!!And then in verse 30, after taking the names of the animals, plants, seeds, beasts etc and said "IT WAS SO".

 

[Tintin]

No. Wrong again. It was only once humanity was created, that God declared Creation to be 'very good'. Before humanity, Creation was merely 'good'. The whole Bible points to the fact that Creation was perfect before the Fall. You really need to work on your comprehension skills. If Adam and Eve weren't given the God-given gift of contrary choice, they would be nothing more than robots programmed to follow their Maker. After all, a love that isn't tested, isn't true love. All of humanity has sprung from the bloodline of Adam and Eve. You and I are their descendants. So, yes. By that token, we too are made in God's image. As is all of humanity. You need to know the Gospel basics before you can hope to teach anything.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God made Adam & Eve to bring forth the adamic soul (Christ) so that all could have a chance to be saved. The first verse in Genisis says the earth became void. This is because in the first earth age (Eon), before Adam & Eve, Satan who was created by God to protect the mercy seat, rebelled. Not only did he rebel but a third of God's angles followed him. Because of this God destroyed the first earth age (the great Catabol). That's where the bible says the earth became void & without form. God doesn't create anything void, he made it happen so that the third of God's children who followed Satan would have a chance to be born of woman, and chose good or evil (free will) to love him. Satan is the only one condemned to die. Many Christians do not know of the three earth ages. The first, which were prior to Genesis,,the second (which we are in now) and then the third, (which will be heaven here on earth). Read the first couple of chapters of Genesis. Men & women (all the different tribes/races) were created on the sixth day, God rested on the seventh day, then Adam & Eve were created on the eight day (to bring forth that adamic soul- Christ), so that we all would be given free will). It is all part of God's plan to let us choose whether to love him or not. To choose right or wrong, good or evil. No where in the bible does it say Apple, and that Eve gave Adam an Apple. He said not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good & evil, or you shall surely die, became the starting point. God already knew they would partake of it. Satan (not literally a snake), beguiled (holy seduced) Eve in the garden. This is where eating the Apple is just not truth. Satan vehicles Eve to stop Christ from coming to save us. Go back to the original manuscript & study to uncover the truth.

Mormon?

If not. Just as bad. Wow. where did you get this?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If they were created in the image of God, or if they were Perfect, Why would they SIN??? How can God's image sin????There is no scriptural proof that Adam and Eve were created perfect...

How come a perfect image of God has a heart like this??
Matt 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

Before even eating the fruit Eve sinned by desiring it

Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Genesis 1:27 And creating (not created but C-R-E-A-T-I-N-G)is the Elohim humanity in His image. In the image of the Elohim He creates (NOT CREATED) it. Male and female He creates them. (NOT CREATED)
(Literal Concordant Bible)

And one more thing....After creating each and everything i.e after creating light,God saw IT WAS GOOD (Gen 1:3-4)
After creating earth and the seas, IT WAS SO and IT WAS GOOD (Gen 1:9-10)
After creating plants and trees, God saw IT WAS GOOD (Gen 1:11)
Sun and Moon- IT WAS SO AND IT WAS GOOD (Gen 1:14-18)
Moving water creatures -IT WAS GOOD (Gen 1:21)
Living creatures, cattles etc -GOD SAW IT WAS GOOD (Gen 1:24-25)

And then He created Man, but HE DID NOT SAY "IT WAS SO" or "IT WAS GOOD".He purposefully left that!!!!!!!!And then in verse 30, after taking the names of the animals, plants, seeds, beasts etc and said "IT WAS SO".

They were created with free will. In order to recieve Gods love.

In order to have a relationship. You must have the ability to reject that persons love, otherwise, there can be no relationship.

What church do you go to?

 

[prove-all]

Adam and Eve were created physically perfect ,


but they where like children with [no knowledge],

and should have feed daily and learned the loving way from Gods word,

would have been given the Holy spirit to teach and guide them

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No. Wrong again. It was only once humanity was created, that God declared Creation to be 'very good'. Before humanity, Creation was merely 'good'. The whole Bible points to the fact that Creation was perfect before the Fall. You really need to work on your comprehension skills. If Adam and Eve weren't given the God-given gift of contrary choice, they would be nothing more than robots programmed to follow their Maker. After all, a love that isn't tested, isn't true love. All of humanity has sprung from the bloodline of Adam and Eve. You and I are their descendants. So, yes. By that token, we too are made in God's image. As is all of humanity. You need to know the Gospel basics before you can hope to teach anything.

I think people forget. God resides outside of time, Him knowing something is going to happen, does not mean he has to force that thing to happen.

 

[shotgunner]

If they were created in the image of God, or if they were Perfect, Why would they SIN??? How can God's image sin????There is no scriptural proof that Adam and Eve were created perfect...

How come a perfect image of God has a heart like this??
Matt 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

Before even eating the fruit Eve sinned by desiring it

Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Genesis 1:27 And creating (not created but C-R-E-A-T-I-N-G)is the Elohim humanity in His image. In the image of the Elohim He creates (NOT CREATED) it. Male and female He creates them. (NOT CREATED)
(Literal Concordant Bible)

And one more thing....After creating each and everything i.e after creating light,God saw IT WAS GOOD (Gen 1:3-4)
After creating earth and the seas, IT WAS SO and IT WAS GOOD (Gen 1:9-10)
After creating plants and trees, God saw IT WAS GOOD (Gen 1:11)
Sun and Moon- IT WAS SO AND IT WAS GOOD (Gen 1:14-18)
Moving water creatures -IT WAS GOOD (Gen 1:21)
Living creatures, cattles etc -GOD SAW IT WAS GOOD (Gen 1:24-25)

And then He created Man, but HE DID NOT SAY "IT WAS SO" or "IT WAS GOOD".He purposefully left that!!!!!!!!And then in verse 30, after taking the names of the animals, plants, seeds, beasts etc and said "IT WAS SO".

Genesis 1:27New King James Version (NKJV)[SUP]27 [/SUP]So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

Adam was created in God's image. You must remember that Adam was not deceived. Adam was given free will.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

but they where like children with [no knowledge],

I disagree with this statement as Adam named all of the animals and his wife etc. He was not without knowledge... He had Godley authority and God made him perfect without knowledge of sin.

 

[Tintin]

I disagree with this statement as Adam named all of the animals and his wife etc. He was not without knowledge... He had Godley authority and God made him perfect without knowledge of sin.

Right on, brother! Adam was incredibly intelligent. New to the world, yes, but more perfect than you or I or anyone this side of the Fall in body, mind and spirit. And yes, he was the first zoologist. Not even Noah beat him in that respect.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I disagree with this statement as Adam named all of the animals and his wife etc. He was not without knowledge... He had Godley authority and God made him perfect without knowledge of sin.

Amen, He also did not need the HS to teach him, Before he sinned, he had no flesh nature to war against the spirit of truth, thus he could understand all things better than I believe even we can today with the HS.

 

[shotgunner]

Amen, He also did not need the HS to teach him, Before he sinned, he had no flesh nature to war against the spirit of truth, thus he could understand all things better than I believe even we can today with the HS.

That is an interesting thought. Remember that God came down in the cool of the evening and walked with Adam. Imagine today God living in us and continually walking with us. Possibly all was necessary for man to have both free will and the ability for God to continually walk with him and in him.

 

[FreeNChrist]

If they were created in the image of God, or if they were Perfect, Why would they SIN???

Because inherent in creating creatures with true freedom to choose is the possibility of their choosing wrongly.

How come a perfect image of God has a heart like this??
Matt 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:


Before even eating the fruit Eve sinned by desiring it

Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Genesis 1:27 And creating (not created but C-R-E-A-T-I-N-G)is the Elohim humanity in His image. In the image of the Elohim He creates (NOT CREATED) it. Male and female He creates them. (NOT CREATED)
(Literal Concordant Bible)

And one more thing....After creating each and everything i.e after creating light,God saw IT WAS GOOD (Gen 1:3-4)
After creating earth and the seas, IT WAS SO and IT WAS GOOD (Gen 1:9-10)
After creating plants and trees, God saw IT WAS GOOD (Gen 1:11)
Sun and Moon- IT WAS SO AND IT WAS GOOD (Gen 1:14-18)
Moving water creatures -IT WAS GOOD (Gen 1:21)
Living creatures, cattles etc -GOD SAW IT WAS GOOD (Gen 1:24-25)

And then He created Man, but HE DID NOT SAY "IT WAS SO" or "IT WAS GOOD".He purposefully left that!!!!!!!!And then in verse 30, after taking the names of the animals, plants, seeds, beasts etc and said "IT WAS SO".

So from that you have concluded that what God creates is "bad"? Really?

That man is created in the image of God means that man was created to be the visible impression or expression of God. That “image" is a derived image, as we allow for the visible expression of the invisible character of God in our behavior.

The choice that was made in the garden was the choice to live independent God. It was a lie, of course. That man could be "like God" by determining "good and evil" in reference to himself. Using Himself as the standard and center of reference, man could determine that what he found to be right, correct, pleasurable and permissible would be called "good," and what he considered to be wrong, incorrect, unpleasant and impermissible would be called "evil.” We see how well we that has worked out for us.