DiscipleDave:
The Bible declares those who are saved are righteous.
The Bible plainly teaches that those who do righteousness are righteous, and those who do unrighteousness are unrighteous.
1Jn_2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that DOETH righteousness is born of him.
1Jn_3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that DOETH righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
Believe ALL Scriptures, not just some of them.
You can't pick and choose which verses you will believe and which ones you will not believe. Please read this
article which shows many verses which teach what it means to be
Righteous, but be forewarned, you might come to the Truth and realize you will have to start DOING that which is considered
Righteous, in order to be
Righteous.
How can we be righteous and guilty at the same time? Was our entire atonement accomplished at the cross or not?
At the cross, you became righteous, all your sin that were past were forgiven unto you, as it is written:
Rom_3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Because of His righteousness, we are forgiven when we TRULY REPENT. When we accept Him as our Savior and Lord, His righteousness made us RIGHTEOUS, clean, white as snow, HOLY, Just, PURE, unblameable, PERFECT. NEW man in Christ, a New Creation. UNTIL we go back to play in the mud, UNTIL we choose to eat our own vomit again, UNTIL we choose to continue to do the deeds of the old man. Do you claim to be a new man in Christ, yet continue to do the deeds of the old? How then are you not the old man? If Christ be in you, He is your strength and power against satan when he comes tempting you. Hebrews 6:4-6 is not written there in vain. Christ went to the cross for you ONCE, to forgive you of your sins that are past, only men of this generation teach past , present, and future, which thing the Word of God does not teach, only men teach that., if you think the Bible does then reveal the Scriptures that teach it.
If all sin (past, present, and future) was forgiven at the cross, what is the point of trying to retain your salvation through works?
This is what you believe, NOT what Scriptures teach. Scriptures does NOT teach that at the time of you accepted Jesus Christ, that all your sins past, PRESENT, and FUTURE are forgiven. That is a doctrine of men, and does not come from Scriptures. Is it not written that Jesus paid the penalty for our sin, was punished for it? Yes this is True of our past sins once we accpeted Him. After you accept Jesus as your Savior and Lord, YOU will pay the punishment of your own sins thereafter, this is evident because of the verses that plainly teach, you reap what you sow, and if you sow to the flesh you shall of that flesh reap corruption, and if you do wrong you will be repaid for the wrong which you do, and also it is written Tribulation and Anguish upon every soul that does evil. If Jesus took the punishment for your sins at the cross for all your sins past, present and future, then why are these verses written to Christians? Here is the Truth, at the cross Jesus paid the price and took the punishment for all your sins that were PAST, What you choose to do thereafter is on you. You will reap what you sow, if you do evil, you will be punished, if you do good, you will be blessed, this is how God was, is, and will be to come. Does that mean He does not forgive? Heavens no. If a person Truly repents of a particular sin, even though that person him/herself will pay the consequences of that sin, can be forgiven of it, and remembered no more, But that is ONLY if they Truly repent of that particular sin. Any person that continues to do the same sin over and over and over again without ceasing from is, tell me, how sorry is that person? If they NEVER cease from it? they aren't. They are NOT Truly repentant of that sin, even if they repent of it via their mouth. Repentance is a heart issue. If they continue to do the very sin they repented of, they are NOT sorry, a person who is truly repentant of a particular sin, will cease to do that sin ever again, because they are Truly sorry for doing that against God.
If salvation truly is a gift as described in Scripture, then trying to keep it through any effort of ours negates that gift. We obey through gratitude for what Christ has done, not out of obligation.
Salvation is a gift, Anyone who comes to Jesus can receive it. That does not mean that EVERYONE who accepted Jesus and got SAVED, will be taken up with Him in the Rapture (The event described in the Bible where Jesus comes and gets His Church). Just because someone walks up the isle, confesses, repents, and believes in Jesus, does not mean they will remain SAVED for all eternity. Many and i say MANY claim Jesus is their Savior, yet their master is the devil.
Any Gift given to someone freely, if not maintain, will fade and wither away. Why do you think this is written:
Tit_3:8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
Tit_3:14 And let ours also learn to maintain good works for necessary uses, that they be not unfruitful.
How many times do you think Christ goes to the cross for you? He did that ONCE. How many times do you think He takes stripes for your sins? He did that ONLY ONCE. You pay your own after that.
If anything i have said above is contrary to any Scriptures, then show the Scripture. What i tell you is what has been revealed to me by God, these things i teach are not from me, nor from my own thinking. What i teach is not from men (myself) it is from God. What i teach does not contradict ANY Scriptures, only contradicts your own belief of what YOU think the Truth is. But i have not failed to tell you what HE has told me, it is your choice if you want to believe HIM, or continue to believe what you believe is the Truth, even though that Truth does not line up with Scriptures. Oh that Truth may have a verse or two that seems to support your belief, but then there are the other verses that do NOT support that belief.
If this generation will only listen to these words given to me by God
"If what you believe contradicts even one verse in Scriptures, then what you believe is WRONG"
So then if you believe something, yet there is a verse that contradicts that belief, then your belief is WRONG. Let God be True and His Word TRUE, and what men teach and believe to be lies and false.
Interpretations belong to God, not to men.
^i^ Responding to post # 95