Three major things the legalistic Pharisees didn't recognize.
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some poeple are just blinded by their own belief system. they read everything with this blind eye in view, and can never seem to quite understand what someone is saying.
EVERYONE has a different interpretation of scripture, no matter what book,verse or chapter. Everyone understands what the bible says, differently. Instead of name-calling, accusing and pointing fingers, shouldn't y'all be trying to HELP one another understand scripture in the way it's MEANT to be interpreted? jmo
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Sadly many have tried. BenFTW was the latest one to try to calmly and logically get to the point of what is being said, And the same thing happened to him.
This has been going on for a few years now. Same old argument, Same old threads.. It gets old. But it has to be dealt with.
Before making assumptions about use of quoting Holy Scripture, keep in mind, God's ways are not man's ways. He tells us many different truths in a single word. Any person quoting the Word has his understanding and reasoning involved with the selection, not the reader's,, while in attempting to transmit his ideas from his understanding to others. It is not necessarily out of context. Perhaps one child of God understands a different level or meaning to a given quote.
If many quotes on the same vein of thought and meditation are included together it is usually held together by a coomen subject in the manner given to be understood. Look for the connecting thread, do not rely solely on the understanding you already have, though it is justified, for, again, there may be many meanings to the same quote.
One of the laws given is not to sow two kinds of seed in the same field........now think of the parable Jesus gave us of the Sower, the seed, the tares, etc. A very expanded meaning is given by our Lord. Do not assume about our family in Christ..
If many quotes on the same vein of thought and meditation are included together it is usually held together by a coomen subject in the manner given to be understood. Look for the connecting thread, do not rely solely on the understanding you already have, though it is justified, for, again, there may be many meanings to the same quote.
One of the laws given is not to sow two kinds of seed in the same field........now think of the parable Jesus gave us of the Sower, the seed, the tares, etc. A very expanded meaning is given by our Lord. Do not assume about our family in Christ..
If one simple fact would be adopted by a Christians that God's word is not in conflict with itself, no matter what is quoted, then we would have this one foundation that would finally bring us together rather than tare us apart. We should all take note that division is not of God, and neither is confusion. I say again, if scripture (God's holy word) seems to conflict with itself, it isn't His fault for our misunderstanding, it's ours, and then we know we have it wrong, not God.
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when someone, by their actions, and what they are saying, States Abraham , noah and Adam and all those before moses, had no means to understand righteousness, judgment and faith or mercy, then that person is on a mission to put forth their belief system, and NOT interpreting scripture in a way is in line with scripture.
I tried nicely to put a stop to this thread before it even started by bringing this to the forefront, But people chose to ignore reality, and continue to go on a rant,
So they deserved what they got
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So doing nothing more than quoting scripture, without any person input, puts God's word into conflict with itself in your opinion? Wow! That's strange.
Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding? Isaiah 29:16
Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour. Leviticus 19:15
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And Moses came and told the people all the words of the Lord, and all thejudgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which the Lord hath said will we do. Exodus 24:3
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. John 7:24
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law,judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Matthew 23:23
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Thou in thy mercy hast led forth the people which thou hast redeemed: thou hast guided them in thy strength unto thy holy habitation. Exodus 15:13
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. Exodus 12:6
And thou shalt put the mercy seat upon the ark of the testimony in the most holy place. Exodus 26:34
Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations; Deuteronomy 7:9
For the Lord is good; his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations. Psalm 100:5
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. Matthew 5:7
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law,judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.Matthew 23:23
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Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God,the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations; Deuteronomy 7:9
And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith. Deuteronomy 32:20
And I will raise me up a faithful priest, that shall do according to that which is in mine heart and in my mind: and I will build him a sure house; and he shall walk before mine anointed for ever. 1 Samuel 2:35
Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the justshall live by hisfaith. Habakkuk 2:4
And he said unto them, Why are ye so fearful? how is it that ye have no faith? Mark 4:40
And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. Mark 11:22
And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee. Luke 5:20
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Romans 3:28
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.Matthew 23:23
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You can't answer Why God kept things from abraham, noah and all those before moses.
You have continually refused to answer. So the onus is on you to prove your interpretation of these passages are real. byt explaining why God kept something so important from these fathers of our faith. .
Until then, you have proven you taken the word out of context.
Posting the bible does nnot make you right, So many before you have tried that, Pharisees were MASTERS of this.
We are addressing the law during the time of Moses, not before. Focus man, focus.
The Pharisees refused to acknowledge that judgment, mercy, and faith were in the law also. This same refusal, with the same attitude as they, seems to be in this very thread.
i believe that since the Hebrew children was in bondage so long, they forgot the law, maybe not all of them. Moses was brought up under different customs, so he didn't really know the law. So God had to remind Moses and the Hebrew children. Maybe in the days of Abraham, and days of Noah the Law was already well known. i was just trying to answer E.G.
Pardon my forthrightness but what does it matter if judgement, mercy, and faith were in the Law? What is your point? These things were in the Law and the Pharisees neglected to do them... so they were hypocrites in that they made themselves to look righteous, outwardly, but were in fact not so.
Where is this leading to? Those three things in the Law don't in any way impart life to us, only Jesus does. Once again, the Law condemns but Christ came to save the world. These things may be found in the Law but so what? They are important principles to live by, but what is your point? Are you trying to show that the Law is holy, just and good as scripture states? We already know that, but it can't make us so.
PS: Faith would impart life and that faith is in Jesus Christ. So we have examples of faith in the Torah and it is only that faith that saves. The righteousness that is of faith and not works.
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Or maybe just maybe, They understood love was the way to obedient servitude. You do not harm the one yuo love, so your judgment will be fair, Your mercy will be without merit (not earned) and your faith will be so strong, You understand God is able to raise your son from the dead.
The law did not make them this way, The love of God did.
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Your addressing the law as a means to righteousness (not salvation, I never claimed you taught this since you showed that you do not), Your now twisting because you have been cornered.
It does not matter what they did, And that is NOT why jesus cornered them on it, Jesus proved to the people who blindly followed these pharisees, and proving to the pharisees themselves they were breakers of the law. And why.
what your saying makes absolutely no sense at all. What if they as pharisees did not deny these things were part of the law. And actually practiced them to some degree. would they have accepted Christ? No. They still would be lawyers who thought their stuff did not stink because they followed the law. and did not need Christ.
That is the point you will NEVER Understand until you repent. and get off your law. The law can do one of two things.
lead you to Christ, where you do not need it anymore. Lead you like a pharisee to a self righteous attitude, which thought it obeyed the law. But could not.
Jesus NEVER preached that any thing short of perfect obedience to the law was acceptable. Stop putting words in his mouth!
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well of course he did.. Does that mean he followed the law of moses?
Did Noah go around preaching the law of moses to people while he built the ark? and was the law why he built the ark to begin with, why did he trust God? where did his FAITH come from? the law. or God himself?
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No, He caused the flood. because man had lost his way, and if he did not flood the earth, no one would ever trust God again.
Show me where a nation has had ample laws yet people still lived perfect lives. Laws do not stop people from crime,
if it was because he did not have law. God would have given the law to Noah after the flood. Not to moses centuries later.