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There are a variety of cessationists. What they agree on are that certain gifts of the Spirit have ceased. But it is funny that sometimes, the way they arrive at this conclusion is through arguments that contradict other cessationist's views. For example, some people think God has no dealings with Israel as His people, and produce a convoluted argument, that Paul doesn't make, that is not consistent with the argument that Paul makes, from Paul's quote of Isaiah in I Corinthians 14.
Certain cessationists argue for the cessation of tongues and prophecies on I Corinthians 13, an interpretation that makes their own knowledge out to be superior to the apostles. But then certain cessationists will say that that is the wrong interpretation.
I Corinthians 1:7 tells us, 'So that ye come behind in no spiritual gift waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.'
This is before Paul wrote an epistle that focuses quite a bit, no doubt, on the gifts you think have ceased. Why wouldn't he be talking about the very gifts he is going to teach on in the epistle when he mentions gifts at the opening of the epistle? These gifts remain until Jesus comes back, as that verse shows us.
We should desire the gifts that remain not the gifts that are over and done. The gift of tongues was for Israel not for the Gentiles.
And you are teaching something contradictory to what the Bible says. The Bible says 'forbid not to speak with tongues' and you are teaching that speaking in tongue is against God. You are putting these theories of yours, that contradict the Bible, on a higher level than the Bible.
Certain cessationists argue for the cessation of tongues and prophecies on I Corinthians 13, an interpretation that makes their own knowledge out to be superior to the apostles. But then certain cessationists will say that that is the wrong interpretation.
I Corinthians 1:7 tells us, 'So that ye come behind in no spiritual gift waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.'
This is before Paul wrote an epistle that focuses quite a bit, no doubt, on the gifts you think have ceased. Why wouldn't he be talking about the very gifts he is going to teach on in the epistle when he mentions gifts at the opening of the epistle? These gifts remain until Jesus comes back, as that verse shows us.
We should desire the gifts that remain not the gifts that are over and done. The gift of tongues was for Israel not for the Gentiles.
And you are teaching something contradictory to what the Bible says. The Bible says 'forbid not to speak with tongues' and you are teaching that speaking in tongue is against God. You are putting these theories of yours, that contradict the Bible, on a higher level than the Bible.
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Not her. She's got the same feisty and the same choice in subject matter, but not the same self-aggrandizing. Also, key difference -- she doesn't meltdown when folks disagree with her.
(On the other hand, I still have this thought going through my head. "Good greif! Haven't we had enough of this already?"
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(On the other hand, I still have this thought going through my head. "Good greif! Haven't we had enough of this already?"
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oh Marc no worries! I had noticed you had not been around in awhile and was thinking you must be on vacation or something and I was glad to see you had come back...mind you, a rest from most forums is good from time to time
I think you know I am not a cessationist...but this thread totally devolved in the end and my opinion on convallaria also changed as she revealed she believed herself to be a prophet and above reproach
things went south from there...well you can do a search if you are interested and you might also try her prophet in pretense friend russel b...he is a lovely chap who curses those who do not agree with him...as a prophet, that is his right of course
its not the thread re-appearing...its the person who we think is actually convallaria using a new name...if it isn't her, she has cloned herself
sorry...please do not think anything negative in regards to yourself here...you are kind of like sandwich spread in between two very old slices not of your making
I think you know I am not a cessationist...but this thread totally devolved in the end and my opinion on convallaria also changed as she revealed she believed herself to be a prophet and above reproach
things went south from there...well you can do a search if you are interested and you might also try her prophet in pretense friend russel b...he is a lovely chap who curses those who do not agree with him...as a prophet, that is his right of course
its not the thread re-appearing...its the person who we think is actually convallaria using a new name...if it isn't her, she has cloned herself
sorry...please do not think anything negative in regards to yourself here...you are kind of like sandwich spread in between two very old slices not of your making
Why thank you.....errr..... I think?
Sort of like getting a backhanded compliment and then a slap to the chops, huh? Yes, it's certainly been a warm welcome. haaaa!
Seeing that you're a fairly blunt woman, I will speak to you in your own language = As has been pointed out by others here, this is a public forum. The fact you don't like topics regarding the gifts of the Holy Spirit, signs & wonders, or cessationism, etc is simply inconsequential.
That's just a nice way of saying: If you don't like 'em then don't read 'em. Your choice. So play nice sis.
Sort of like getting a backhanded compliment and then a slap to the chops, huh? Yes, it's certainly been a warm welcome. haaaa! Seeing that you're a fairly blunt woman, I will speak to you in your own language = As has been pointed out by others here, this is a public forum. The fact you don't like topics regarding the gifts of the Holy Spirit, signs & wonders, or cessationism, etc is simply inconsequential.
That's just a nice way of saying: If you don't like 'em then don't read 'em. Your choice. So play nice sis.
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LieDetector, guess by now you've been initiated. Yep, ya gotta be mean and lean, crude tough and rough to hang out in the BDF. Oh, and it helps to be rude, and talk about people as if they don't matter, or invisible or some such....
Just stick to our storyline, you'll be alright. Do you know all the words to "Just as I am?" That helps.
Just stick to our storyline, you'll be alright. Do you know all the words to "Just as I am?" That helps.
LieDetector, guess by now you've been initiated. Yep, ya gotta be mean and lean, crude tough and rough to hang out in the BDF. Oh, and it helps to be rude, and talk about people as if they don't matter, or invisible or some such....
Just stick to our storyline, you'll be alright. Do you know all the words to "Just as I am?" That helps.
Just stick to our storyline, you'll be alright. Do you know all the words to "Just as I am?" That helps.
I'm just going to go along with being whoever I'm accused of being, it's more fun that way. lol.... errr... yeah, yeah our storyline!
People forget about a little somethin-somethin important for harmony in the body of Christ.. And they ought not to be shocked if they don't receive any in return... (see video for dramatization).
[video=youtube;SAI_Nv3qWto]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAI_Nv3qWto[/video]
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Actually, I like feisty. lol The rest was to clear the air on if you are her, so wasn't really meant to put down or as a compliment. Just telling where there are similarities but there is also a difference.
So what do you think went wrong with the 2014 Philadelphia Eagles?
Same deal. You pick old posts and brought them back after it's been discussed thoroughly. (Did we miss any possible thing related to the topic somewhere in all those pages?) You're free to talk about last year's team all you want, but I doubt those of us who HAVE talked about it a while ago at this length will be joining in for long.
As for "play nice?" Must be a new definition for that one, since I wasn't even playing.
So what do you think went wrong with the 2014 Philadelphia Eagles?
Same deal. You pick old posts and brought them back after it's been discussed thoroughly. (Did we miss any possible thing related to the topic somewhere in all those pages?) You're free to talk about last year's team all you want, but I doubt those of us who HAVE talked about it a while ago at this length will be joining in for long.
As for "play nice?" Must be a new definition for that one, since I wasn't even playing.