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Uh,I asked you a simple question and you either don't know the answer or you are conceding a major flaw in your thinking
Again,when did those two things happen?
Is the Devil bound right now...?
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Uh,I asked you a simple question and you either don't know the answer or you are conceding a major flaw in your thinking
Again,when did those two things happen?
I think some here may be agreeing yet determining the term bound to mean different things, thus disagreeing..Satan is not yet fully bound but fully under control! Thus to me the conclusion is Gods control, to others it may be the allowances of power to Satan temporally. Cup half full or half empty thing.
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I would be interested to know where Scripture says this. It is not in my Bible. It is true that everyone in the Roman world who was not a Christian bore the mark of the beast in that they sacrificed to idols. The rest you have invented..
It began in 70 AD. It continued on in the dispersion and sufferings of the Jews. It incorporated the inquisitions activities against the Jews and those of the holocaust. It was TRIBULATION ON THE JEWS for their rejection of Messiah. It is described quite clearly in Luke 21.20-24 which parallels Matt 24.21-22. There has never been anything like it before or since.
A very important factor to recognize the timing for the events in Matt.24, and the time of "great tribulation" Jesus taught, is Scripture like Rev.11:1-2 which reveals a standing temple in Jerusalem on earth, with the Gentiles treading its outer court for 42 months.
The specific Matt.24 event of the "abomination of desolation" event Jesus quoted from the Book of Daniel requires... a standing temple in Jerusalem. That event involves the placing of idol worship inside the temple in Jerusalem. Jesus included that warning when He mentioned about the pseudo-Christ, when some say, "He's in the secret chambers", and Jesus said to not believe it.
This is also how we can know that Apostle Paul was speaking of the temple in Jerusalem in his warnings of 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 about a false one coming to sit in it and proclaim himself as God, and over all that is called God, or that is worshiped.
The specific Matt.24 event of the "abomination of desolation" event Jesus quoted from the Book of Daniel requires... a standing temple in Jerusalem. That event involves the placing of idol worship inside the temple in Jerusalem. Jesus included that warning when He mentioned about the pseudo-Christ, when some say, "He's in the secret chambers", and Jesus said to not believe it.
This is also how we can know that Apostle Paul was speaking of the temple in Jerusalem in his warnings of 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 about a false one coming to sit in it and proclaim himself as God, and over all that is called God, or that is worshiped.
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Well that's a good modification of what amil used to be.
Back when I was part of it,they believed it centered around ad 70.
But that was false so now they incorporate "all historical data for 2000 years) huh?
Amil has painted itself in a corner
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BTW,the mil takes place AFTER the gt,so when did the flying scorpions,and hailstones of fire take place?
2 witnesses?
Remember,your doctrine needs to address these impossibilities
2 witnesses?
Remember,your doctrine needs to address these impossibilities
These passages are very good support for what I was telling you here.
Check this out against the above:
Rev. 6:12 Amplified Theistic Evolution Bible: (Revelation 6: The only name for God throughout the whole Roman Empire)
And I beheld, (in the days of Emperor Theodocius, who established the Holy Roman, Catholic, Apostolic Church, on 27 February 380), when he, (the Lamb of the tribe of Judah, the off-spring of the root of David: [Rev 5:5]), had opened the sixth seal of (scripture), and, lo, there was a great earthquake (of religious social change); and the Sun (signs of Astrology) became (as) black as (the) sackcloth of (the hood covering a nun's) hair, and the moon became as blood (of Christ, to determine the very day of the Easter and Passover).
Rev. 6:13 And the stars' (twelve constellations of Sun Signs) of heaven fell (from popular grace) unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, (ruined), when she is (destructively) shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev. 6:14 And (Astrology) departed (from popular practice) as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain (i.e.; Pagan religion) and island (i.e.; secret society) were moved out of their places (in the pagan society of all the Roman World).
Rev. 6:15 And (1) the kings of the earth, (POLITICIANS), and (2) the great men, (STATESMEN), and (3) the rich men, (ECONOMIC BARONS), and (4) the chief captains, (PRIESTHOODS), and (5) the mighty men, (MILITARY LEADERS), and (6) every bondman, (CRAFTSMAN), and (7) every free man, (PEASANT), hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the (institutionalized) mountains (of that pagan society);
Rev. 6:16 And said to the mountains (of the previous decadent and hedonistic social institutions) and rocks (of that wide-open, sexually promiscuous culture), Fall on us, (help!), and hide us from the face (of Papal judgment) of[/B[ (Universal Catholicism), him that sitteth on the throne (of Christian Rome) and from the (words of) wrath of the Lamb, (the Word of the New Testament):
Rev. 6:17 For the great day of his wrath, (the one thousand year reign predicted), is come; and who, (what other God) shall be able to stand (during these Dark Ages).
Yeah,... muslims start wars,... not christians.
There have been some religious wars, like in Ireland with the IRA.
But the few problems that occurred after the 1000 year reign of Jesus in 1054 AD were Crusades against thieving muslim Islamists who robbed and persecuted pilgrims headed to the Holy Lands.
Other that that, only what we see everywhere against heretics for Theocracies , or traitors against the Kings, the rebels against dictators was what happened.
These are always norma security measures every government takes.
The Book of Revelation was a Jewish writing more than 200 years older than 32 AD, when Jesus was crucified.
The first 3 chapter were from Jesus, but the rest was all the Jewish predictions.
Here are some of the research which was done to verify the facts.
Bibliography:
Bousset, Die Offenbarung Johannis, Göttingen, 1896 (written from an apologetic point of view and without familiarity with the rabbinical sources);
H. Gunkel, Schöpfung und Chaos, 1895, pp. 379-398;
P. Schmidt, Anmerkungen über die Komposition der Offenbarung Johannis;
E. Vischer, Die Offenbarung Johannis, Leipsic, 1886;
Fr. Spitta, Die Offenbarung des Johannis, Halle, 1889;
Weiss, Die Offenbarung des Johannis, ein Beitrag zur Literatur- und Religionsgesch. Göttingen, 1904;
J. Wellhausen, Skizzen und Vorarbeiten, 1899, iv. 215-234.
REVELATION (BOOK OF) - JewishEncyclopedia.com
The 1000 years occurred when all Rome became Christian by Law and every other pagan god was shut down.
The people universally had t attend to Churches which were build over all the Roman World.
Rev. 20:1 And I saw an angel, (i.e.; a social manifestation of inter-generational authority), come down from heaven (manifesting in the enactment of Law in 380 AD, Emperor Theodosius I, established Catholic Christianity as the official religion of the Roman Empire and ordering pagans and other sects of Christianity to be called heretics), having the key, (the authority of Universal Christianity), to the bottomless pit (of history) and a great chain (of cultural restraints) in his hand (by which to implement social change).
Rev. 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, (the subtle cultural system of exploitative sexual mores), that old serpent, (cultural Paganism), which is the devil (of sexual license), and (libidinal lustfulness of) satan, and bound him, (the dragon), a thousand (1000) Years (during the reign of Christ throughout the DARK AGES), ...
Rev. 20:3 And cast him, (this dragon, the subtle cultural system of exploitative sexual mores, that old serpent, cultural Paganism), into the bottomless pit (of time), and shut him, (Satan), up (Monasticism for 1000 years so as to inhibit the culture of libidinal freedom and sexual excess), and set a seal, (the Cross), upon him, that he (could not maintain that pagan, astrological/mythological sexually promiscuous religious subculture that) should deceive the nations (in the Western world) no more (with his pagan culture), ...
... till the thousand years (of the Dark Age of Monasticism) should be fulfilled (and the Renaissance of the Beast begin):
and after that, (in The Renaissance), he must be loosed (to open the adolescent subculture of ever increasing sexual permissiveness) a little season (of @ 1000 years: [Rev 20:2]).
They are literal JEWS, HE SAYS SO. You most likely will have to answer to Jesus Christ for spreading those lies.
1 Chronicles 16:16-18 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] ⌊the covenant⌋ He made with Abraham, swore to Isaac,
[SUP]17 [/SUP] and confirmed to Jacob as a decree, and to Israel as an everlasting covenant:
[SUP]18 [/SUP] “I will give the land of Canaan to you as your inherited portion.”
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The 1000 years occurred after the 10 year tribulation, in 303-313 AD:
Rev. 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil, (that animus of the anti-Chris: [Jhn 8:44]), shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have (at the hand of Nero) tribulation Ten Years (as will also be instigated by Diocletian [303-313 AD]): be thou faithful unto (a martyr's) death, and I will give thee a crown of (sociological) life, (in 1000 years of Universal Roman Christianity).
The Author of Revelation is Jesus Christ Himself, as stated in the very first verse of Rev.1:1.
Jesus gave it to His Apostle John to give to His servants, which means all... of His Church.
Just because it includes many metaphors and links back to Old Testament Book Scripture does not in any way make it a writing of orthodox Jews (i.e., those who rejected Jesus).
I ASK AGAIN, where does that leave you,
when HE fulfills all of that in the future,
as we have been teaching it?
Christians are already saved.
The "Tares" of the pagan-acting sexually promiscuous people mixed among us today are doomed in the future.
What is coming now that Israel has been re-established is conversion of the Jews to Elijah, the Christ:
Christ and Elijah both did the same miracles, which was traditional supposed to identify Elijah when would come back.
Both Elijah and Jesus raised the dead
Both Elijah and Jesus were immortal.
Both Elijah and Jesus disappeared from the foot of a mountain.
Both Elijah and Jesus ascended into Heaven before witnesses.
Both Elijah and Jesus troubled Israel.
Both Elijah and Jesus were hunted down by the Jewish authorities.
Both Elijah and Jesus hid 3 days, Elijah in a cave, Jesus in the temple.
Both Elijah and Jesus pondered in the wilderness 40 days.
Both Elijah and Jesus walked on the water.
Both wrote letters to people on Earth after they had ascended.
Both appointed a successor, Elisha by Elijah, and Peter, by Christ.
Both were hunted by the Jewish authorities.
Both gave a successor the power to raise the dead.
Both gave a successor a symbolic authority, the cloak to one, the keys to the other.
Both asked that the this "cup" be taken from them.
Both are said to have had miraculous births.
Both multiplied the meal for many people they feed in the crowd.
Both destroyed the pagan worshippers and priests, one Baal, the other, the Pantheon of Rome.
Both were promised faithfulness three times, Elisha in the former and Peter, in the latter.
Both Elijah and Jesus raised the dead.
No, the Jewish original is exactly the same as what is in the NT.
Except for the first three chapters to the seven Christian Churches.
Jesus wrote that part.
But Jesus passed on the Hebrew part so Jews could never say it was Christian writings and ignore it.
Revelation is Jewish, according to the Jews.
quite the contrary. It is totally irrelevant to the topic and to my statement and question to him.
Neither he nor you have any evidence that Christianity, the Church from the beginning has ever held such a view as premillennialism, dispensationalism, or and earthly reign of Christ.
Stay on topic, not obfuscate and try to change the topic.
Good day Cupid,
When Constantine deemed Christianity as the official religion of Rome, along with it came the pantheon of god's that were being worshiped. The worship of those god's was transposed onto the saints which are currently recognized by the RCC and who are prayed to by Catholics, including praying to angels. In the same manner, the queen of heaven worship that stemmed from the mystery religions of Babylon was transposed onto Mary, as well as the mother and son worship of Semiramis and Tammuz, Isis and Horus, which was transposed onto Mary and Jesus.
When Constantine made this decree, this is when that part of Christianity began to skew from the true church to what Roman Catholicism is today, which is why the RCC, with all of her Mary worship, the ritual of the Eucharist and transubstantiation, the sacraments, purgatory, indulgences, etc., etc., is pagan through and through, reflecting her Babylonian pagan origins.
When Satan was persecuting the church it just kept growing, for people were willing to die for their faith in Jesus Christ. And so he changed his tactics by contaminating the church in Rome with a myriad of pagan believes and rituals all stemming from Babylon. Therefore in response to your claim above "every other pagan god was shut down" they definitely were not shut down, just transposed! They were just infused into that new polluted version of Christianity just as all the other Babylonian pagan characteristics were and we can see the flavor of pagan Babylon interwoven into the RCC today.
Also, as scripture clearly teaches, the thousand year reign of Christ has yet to begin, for Christ must first return to end the age as demonstrated in Rev.19:11-21, at which time Satan will be literally bound in the Abyss during that same thousand years. None of the characteristics of the thousand period are currently present.
If you would like a good book to read which goes into detail regarding the history of the pope's and the RCC, I would suggest getting a copy of "A Woman Rides the Beast: The Roman Catholic Church in the Last Days" by Dave Hunt.
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The Revelation given to John was the original. Why would God give the same information with all of its visions twice? Not only that, but the word "Apokalupsis" kills the idea of the information found in the book of Revelation as being previously revealed and that because the word means, to reveal something that was previously not known or only partially known and that because it was covered, hidden. So by the very definition of the word, it could not have been previously given. John was the first and only one to receive the completed information in the book of Revelation.