Why do some Christians think the Catholic Church is evil/wrong/herasy?

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Jackson123

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I am totally clueless as to the why's and what for's of the Vatican.
You're going to need to ask them yourself.
i am not catholic and do not have access to Vatican.

By analyse the paragraph, Vatican is agree with her quotation.

Vatican not refused it

The reason Vatican put in her ccc is to agree and pas on this teaching to her member.

Catolic heresy is not stop there. a lot more.

Look Lumen Gentium II/16
16. Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God.(18*) In the first place we must recall the people to whom the testament and the promises were given and from whom Christ was born according to the flesh.(125) On account of their fathers this people remains most dear to God, for God does not repent of the gifts He makes nor of the calls He issues.(126) But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God,


Catholic teach Abraham's God is the same as Muslim God.


Is Abraham's God Allah?

And if Abraham God is catholic God. Is that mean catholic God Allah?
 

Jackson123

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Catholic teaching design to direct people away from real Jesus to the devil.

They do it in smart way

they make it like toward Jesus, but is all the way around.

It is Antichrist teaching.

They went out from us/look like christian but not one of us/ but not christian

1 John 2

18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
 
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But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God,

Catholic teach Abraham's God is the same as Muslim God.


Is Abraham's God Allah?

And if Abraham God is catholic God. Is that mean catholic God Allah?
Jackson,

The RCC will say and do anything (including giving safe refuge/hiding to pedophiles, murderous leaders, thieves and thugs) in order to gain more numbers. They are a political organization. They are not a Christian or even a religious body. They are all about power, control, and money.

The fact that you find yourself asking such questions by their statements ought to clue you in on their objective.

Muslims do not believe in God. They do not serve the One and Only True Living God.

They serve a god that does not exist outside their imagination.
 

Jackson123

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Jackson,

The RCC will say and do anything (including giving safe refuge/hiding to pedophiles, murderous leaders, thieves and thugs) in order to gain more numbers. They are a political organization. They are not a Christian or even a religious body. They are all about power, control, and money.

The fact that you find yourself asking such questions by their statements ought to clue you in on their objective.

Muslims do not believe in God. They do not serve the One and Only True Living God.

They serve a god that does not exist outside their imagination.
Yup I hundred percent agree. And I believe she is behind ISIS.
 

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Oh, yes, babies were baptized in the New Testament.*Those who deny infant baptism often claim there are no examples of babies being baptized in the Bible.*That claim is not completely accurate.*It is clear the apostles were baptizing entire households (1 Cor. 1:16 – Paul said,*“I also baptized the*household of Stephanas.”*Acts 16:15 Lydia and her household were baptized).*Entire households include all members of that household from the very young to the very old.*The Bible shows that apostolic baptism did not discriminate in regards to age.
Kindly read the entire book of Acts with an unbiased mind; just as someone who has just been introduced to Christ. (no offence please)
The problem is that our religious backgrounds always come in the way of our understanding of the scriptures. The sad truth is that instead of learning what Jesus and the Apostles have to teach us, our religious bias compels us to find bible verses to support our traditions.

Once you read every account of people who were baptized, you will learn that there are prerequisites to baptism, and that is faith and repentance. Infants are incapable of having faith and repenting. So baptizing babies (by sprinkling of "holy water") is nothing more than making their foreheads wet.


The Apostles did not just pick up people and dump them into water. They were obeying Jesus' command in Matthew 28:18-20 to first make disciples (followers of Jesus) of all nations, and then to baptize them. not vice versa.

In Acts 2:41 those 3000 people who accepted (believed in) the message (preached by Peter)were baptized.

In Acts 8:12, the Samaritans were baptized when they believed in Jesus in response to the message preached by Phillip

In Acts 8:26-36 Phillip spent a lot of time teaching the Ethiopian Eunuch about Jesus, during the long journey from Jerusalem towards Gaza. It was only after that that Phillip baptized the eunuch when the eunuch insisted.

In Acts 9 and Acts 22, we see that Saul had a personal encounter with Jesus himself. He was also assisted by a believe called Ananias, who urged him to get baptized.
In Acts 10, Cornelius and the gentiles were baptized after they listened to Peter's message and after Holy Spirit has come upon them.

In Acts 16:11-15 Lydia responded to the message preached by Paul. She was baptized only after that.
a) There is no reason for us to believe that the members of her household were baptized without believing.
b)
There is no reason for us to believe that there were infants in her household.
After reading all the previous accounts of baptisms, if we believe that infants were baptized in Lydia's household, we are merely presuming.

In Acts 16:30-33, the Jailer was asked to believe and get baptized.
32 Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house.
Verse 32 tells us that Paul and Silas spoke the word of the Lord to the jailer and "all others" in his house. Only after that were they baptized.
By now you should be convinced that belief was one of the prerequisites to baptism. (An infant cannot believe)
Are you still presuming that "all others" included infants???????
Or are you presuming that Paul and Silas preached to (and baptized) the adults, but yet somehow baptized the infants too? Illogical and unscriptural!!!

In Acts 18, Cripus and his household were baptised. Kindly read the verses below for yourself:
8 Crispus, the synagogue ruler, and his entire household believed in the Lord; and many of the Corinthians who heard him believed and were baptized.
Note that Crispus and his "entire household"...I repeat "entire household" believed.
Now are you still saying that there were infants (who could believe) included in the "entire household?"

*Entire households include all members of that household from the very young to the very old.*The Bible shows that apostolic baptism did not discriminate in regards to age.
None of the above-mentioned verses support your claim.
So, it would only be appropriate to narrow down on the age group qualifying for baptism, as those who could believe and repent. This would obviously exclude infants!
 
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For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.


Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

Tell me again who were are supposed to become? Is it the other God, the other one?
 
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We already know good and evil. Was Jesus Christ sent to teach us what the other one could do? We know the Bible says there are 'lords many and gods many but to us there is one God who is Father of all.'
 
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Jesus Christ is the tree of Life.

Joh_11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
 

Jackson123

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Jesus Christ is the tree of Life.

Joh_11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.


Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.


Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

Tell me again who were are supposed to become? Is it the other God, the other one?

When a man become like God, than God sent him out from the garden.


If we think garden is a nice and peace full place like heaven. Than out of the garden is like a hell.

When catholic become like God, then it will lead them to hell because it is false teaching.

Out from the garden mean no access anymore to the tree of life.

No access anymore to Jesus as a tree of life.
 

onlinebuddy

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It is from Vatican web.

Is some catholic not comfortable with Vatican?

www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p122a3p2.htm

If you not comfortable with ccc why stay as catholic?

A lot of her teaching are not from the bible.


For example.ccc 460

460 The Word became flesh to make us "partakers of the divine nature":[SUP]78[/SUP] "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."[SUP]79[/SUP] "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."[SUP]80[/SUP] "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."[SUP]81[/SUP]
II. THE INCARNATION


do you believe because Jesus become a man make you might become God?

Are you God ?

Is every catholic God?

Why don't they create another heaven and earth to prove that ccc 460 is the truth? Otherwise, this teaching is lie.
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.


Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

Tell me again who were are supposed to become? Is it the other God, the other one?

Tell me again who were are supposed to become?
Adam was supposed to become "as God" or "like God" specifically in the area of knowing good and evil. That's the context here. This verse is not saying that we are supposed to become God!

..being "as gods" is different from BEING GOD.

We already know good and evil. Was Jesus Christ sent to teach us what the other one could do? We know the Bible says there are 'lords many and gods many but to us there is one God who is Father of all.'
Whenever the Bible refers to men becoming "lords" or "gods," these verses are talking about the power vested in the men as rulers or judges. As rulers and judges, they are representatives of God. They act on behalf of God, but they are not God.

Therefore, if the vatican site says, "We might become God," that is not scriptural!
 

Jackson123

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Genesis 3
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And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.


460 The Word became flesh to make us "partakers of the divine nature":[SUP]78[/SUP] "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."[SUP]79[/SUP] "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God.

Do you see the similarity here?

both ccc and genesis tray to convince that a man might be as God.

To me it mean both from the same entity. It is Lucifer.

 
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When a man become like God, than God sent him out from the garden.


If we think garden is a nice and peace full place like heaven. Than out of the garden is like a hell.

When catholic become like God, then it will lead them to hell because it is false teaching.

Out from the garden mean no access anymore to the tree of life.

No access anymore to Jesus as a tree of life.
Well, at first man was still in the presence of God. And He was still 'Abel' to return. But Cain slew the Abelity to return. God cast man from the presence.

Gen 4:13 And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
Gen 4:14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
Gen 4:15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

So, there is a protection on both sides.
 
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Who is it that would kill anybody? Something to really think about. 'Vengeance is mine, sayeth the LORD.'
 
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I am Roman Catholic and I would like to hear your thoughts :)
I know people love God,and think that their interpretation of their Church is right,but I will put the blame on the Pope,and the Vatican,for it stems from them.Can it be a lack of studying the Bible,but if they think the interpretation is right how do you reach them,and sometimes if you show them that their interpretation is not right,a lot of people will not believe it.

Not saying anyone is perfect,and among some denominations there will be some interpretations that might be off,but sometimes it is not something that is really offensive,or in error,although to understand the exact truth of God's word is what we strive for,but some wrong interpretations are worse than others.Even Jesus said concerning one of the Churches He addressed in Revelation,hold fast to what you have until I come,which sounds like there was so much deception,that they had very little truth there,but enough truth to hold unto to cause them to be right with Jesus.But although there is a lot of deception concerning the Bible,especially the new age movement biblical interpretation,that will deceive the world,there is still the truth out there in the whole of the truth if one desires it.

The thing about the RCC is they have a lot of things wrong with them,and dangerous things,like exalting Mary,which Jesus said do not exalt Mary above any other saint,and anybody that does the will of God is as blessed as Mary,and making a statue of her and bowing to her,which God said do not make a statue of anything and bow down to it,and they call Mary the mother of God,and the Queen of heaven,which is idolatry,and dangerous.

They exalt the Pope above measure,which Jesus is the head of the Church,and the Bible never says that God gave one man to be over all the Churches,but the man Christ Jesus,and Jesus said call no man on earth father in a spiritual sense,and the man Christ Jesus said do not call Him good,for there is only one good,and that is God,but they call the Pope,holy father.

I do not want to list everything that is serious misinterpretations,but I believe the RCC is a blending of the occult,and Christianity,and will even say they interpret a lot of scriptures according to occult beliefs,and go by traditions like they were God inspired,and if there was a list of all the things that were seriously wrong,it would boggle the mind to where a person who knows the Bible would say,how do they call themselves Christianity.






















Some people may say this is a coincidence,or does not mean the same thing,but the obelisk is an occult symbol,and it also shows the eight fold path of enlightenment,which is an occult symbol,so why does the Vatican's St. Peter's Basilica have these symbols there,and what would they say they are if not those occult symbols.

I believe the Pope and the Vatican will end up leading a unified religious system,comprised of all religions,that can practice their own religion,but a false interpretation of the Bible will be the main theme of it,an interpretation that all religions will accept,that God warns us of in 1 Timothy 4:1-5,that will be so popular that people will only want to hear it according to that interpretation,2 Timothy 4:1-3.

I believe that the RCC is a blending of the occult and Christianity,in which they interpret a lot of things according to the occult,or paganism,and it appears that their foundation is pagan,and they try to fit scriptures in to a pagan foundation.

It appears that when the Roman Catholic Church first came out,they held unto their pagan ways,which became their foundation,instead of abandoning their pagan ways and only going by the Bible,but blended pagan and Christianity,and made pagan their main objective,and interpretation,because they have many serious things wrong with them,that I do not want to take the time to list them,and would boggle the mind of anybody that knows the truth,and goes by the Bible with no other influences.

Joseph Smith,and many others did the same thing,but the Roman Catholic Church has the most influence of them all,which their influence will eventually be world wide during the first half of the tribulation.

But like I said,I know people love God,and I put the blame on the Pope and Vatican,for it stems from them,but it is hard to get people to see the truth other than their own denomination,because they see their denomination as truth,because it sounds right to them.

That is why the RCC does not have a problem with exalting Mary,and the Pope,for pagan religions do the same,and their foundation is pagan,trying to fit scriptures in to that foundation.
 

Jackson123

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I know people love God,and think that their interpretation of their Church is right,but I will put the blame on the Pope,and the Vatican,for it stems from them.Can it be a lack of studying the Bible,but if they think the interpretation is right how do you reach them,and sometimes if you show them that their interpretation is not right,a lot of people will not believe it.

Not saying anyone is perfect,and among some denominations there will be some interpretations that might be off,but sometimes it is not something that is really offensive,or in error,although to understand the exact truth of God's word is what we strive for,but some wrong interpretations are worse than others.Even Jesus said concerning one of the Churches He addressed in Revelation,hold fast to what you have until I come,which sounds like there was so much deception,that they had very little truth there,but enough truth to hold unto to cause them to be right with Jesus.But although there is a lot of deception concerning the Bible,especially the new age movement biblical interpretation,that will deceive the world,there is still the truth out there in the whole of the truth if one desires it.

The thing about the RCC is they have a lot of things wrong with them,and dangerous things,like exalting Mary,which Jesus said do not exalt Mary above any other saint,and anybody that does the will of God is as blessed as Mary,and making a statue of her and bowing to her,which God said do not make a statue of anything and bow down to it,and they call Mary the mother of God,and the Queen of heaven,which is idolatry,and dangerous.

They exalt the Pope above measure,which Jesus is the head of the Church,and the Bible never says that God gave one man to be over all the Churches,but the man Christ Jesus,and Jesus said call no man on earth father in a spiritual sense,and the man Christ Jesus said do not call Him good,for there is only one good,and that is God,but they call the Pope,holy father.

I do not want to list everything that is serious misinterpretations,but I believe the RCC is a blending of the occult,and Christianity,and will even say they interpret a lot of scriptures according to occult beliefs,and go by traditions like they were God inspired,and if there was a list of all the things that were seriously wrong,it would boggle the mind to where a person who knows the Bible would say,how do they call themselves Christianity.






















Some people may say this is a coincidence,or does not mean the same thing,but the obelisk is an occult symbol,and it also shows the eight fold path of enlightenment,which is an occult symbol,so why does the Vatican's St. Peter's Basilica have these symbols there,and what would they say they are if not those occult symbols.

I believe the Pope and the Vatican will end up leading a unified religious system,comprised of all religions,that can practice their own religion,but a false interpretation of the Bible will be the main theme of it,an interpretation that all religions will accept,that God warns us of in 1 Timothy 4:1-5,that will be so popular that people will only want to hear it according to that interpretation,2 Timothy 4:1-3.

I believe that the RCC is a blending of the occult and Christianity,in which they interpret a lot of things according to the occult,or paganism,and it appears that their foundation is pagan,and they try to fit scriptures in to a pagan foundation.

It appears that when the Roman Catholic Church first came out,they held unto their pagan ways,which became their foundation,instead of abandoning their pagan ways and only going by the Bible,but blended pagan and Christianity,and made pagan their main objective,and interpretation,because they have many serious things wrong with them,that I do not want to take the time to list them,and would boggle the mind of anybody that knows the truth,and goes by the Bible with no other influences.

Joseph Smith,and many others did the same thing,but the Roman Catholic Church has the most influence of them all,which their influence will eventually be world wide during the first half of the tribulation.

But like I said,I know people love God,and I put the blame on the Pope and Vatican,for it stems from them,but it is hard to get people to see the truth other than their own denomination,because they see their denomination as truth,because it sounds right to them.

That is why the RCC does not have a problem with exalting Mary,and the Pope,for pagan religions do the same,and their foundation is pagan,trying to fit scriptures in to that foundation.
yup every body make mistake. But we have to distinguish between by mistake and by design.

Catholic make mistake by design. It is pagan religion pretend to be christian. I believe the target is 'christian.
If christian believe that this pagan religion is christian, than they can worship together with them, married to them, be their member. They may not targeting pagan because they have the same boss.

'That why it can be understand Pope said atheist go to heaven,. Muslim in the plan of salvation etc
 
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We do not receive Salvation by Baptism!

John came saying Repent first then be Baptized. When we repent we accept Christ Jesus as our Lord and Savior by Faith and then we receive Salvation by Faith and Grace.

The Catholics teach just the opposite. They teach we receive Baptism first which then gives us Salvation. This is a false Doctrine invented by the Catholics to put themselves ABOVE God!

This is why Catholics insist they HAVE to Baptize their babies when they are born!

See how EVIL the Catholics are!

They actually teach the Doctrines of Satan above the Truth from God!

No Catholic will ever enter into Heaven! And YES i can Judge the Catholics for the False Doctrines they Teach!
 
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The Catholics claim Muslims are our Brothers in Christ! This is why the Catholics believe Muslims will enter into Heaven.

All the Catholics are doing is showing the World how corrupted they have become in their Worshiping of Mary as their God!
 

Jackson123

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Well, at first man was still in the presence of God. And He was still 'Abel' to return. But Cain slew the Abelity to return. God cast man from the presence.

Gen 4:13 And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
Gen 4:14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
Gen 4:15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

So, there is a protection on both sides.
No they sent out from the garden when man know what good and evil, and it is when the man eat the fruit of knowledge.


Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
 
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From Gen 4:1 to 4:16, the LORD was still there. The presence of the LORD is still there for everybody.

Gen 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

What does the Bible say about the followers of Cain? First, what about the land of Nod? Nod is more or less what he said to God, 'I will be a fugitive and a vagabond.' Did the murder of Abel happen at the same time as God cast them from the garden?

But, Cain said he would be 'driven out from the face of the earth.' What does that mean?
 
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'I will become the alien of your dream!' :cool:
 
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