Why do some Christians think the Catholic Church is evil/wrong/herasy?

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You know...Protestants are guilty of the same exact things that Catholics are accused of. We have just as much ritual as they do. As a Protestant of half my life who worked for the Catholic church for several years I can attest that there are many Catholic's that are Christians and for anyone making the damnation judgment that they are not, the scripture says we are not to judge (on salvation) because only God sees the heart.

There is one requirement to be a Christian and that is Jesus, plain and simple. It is prideful to think that only certain churches contain real Christians.

There are a lot of assumptions made by Protestants on Catholics that frankly are not true. Us Protestants can learn a LOT from Catholics and Orthodox. The baby got thrown away with the bath water all those years ago.
Catholics are not Christians.

I am a Catholic. Why should I consider becoming a Christian?
 
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Yes!

BUT you must realize the Catholics make up the Rules, not God! Its what the Catholics say that God MUST obey!

See how the Catholics put themselves ABOVE God!
 
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Yes!

BUT you must realize the Catholics make up the Rules, not God! Its what the Catholics say that God MUST obey!

See how the Catholics put themselves ABOVE God!
If RC's put themselves above God, how can they be Christians?
 
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I am Roman Catholic and I would like to hear your thoughts :)

Another thing you can check out, is every now and then the history channel will have a show that goes over a lot of the Catholic history and where it came from.

In a small jist from the program here are the major things they cover.
Catholicism was formed towards the end of the Roman Empire.
The Empire was a complete mess.
The Empire need a means of gathering the people together to gain cooperation, and control the masses of both pagans and the Christians at the time.
Constantine and the very first pope pretty much took a bunch of stuff and through it all together.
They mixed pagan worship into the teachings of Christianity, that way they could get the pagans to accept the religion.
Now the whole reason behind this was for a kind of economical/religion/government that could control the masses.
And that is basically how Catholicism is formed.
No one can deny or argue it because it's historical facts, and there is historical documentation that backs it up.

And to add to this, that is what basically makes Catholicism non-biblical, and a "man-made religion".
Most true Catholics will deny that any of this happened, but it did.
My wife is Catholic, but not religous (if that makes sense) and she knows all of the historical facts on it.
 
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Suit yourself...you can think what you want...I just had a great conversation this morning with an 86 year old nun I am extremely close to..I spent 4.5 years side by side with 80 nuns day in and day out. I was like family. Which means I got to see and participate in it all, everything a nun does all day every day. They say they are Christians and indeed they are. Christian means little Jesus. Me, I consider myself to be "a follower of The Way". I don't like the term Christian sometimes because as your rhetorical questions implies there is a lot associated with it that is negative. Regardless, if we are in Christ any one of us we are brothers and sisters and part of the Body of Christ, no building or denomination or Pope or whatnot is needed.
 
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I resurrected my girl friend last night by the power of the holy spirit, she is with me now and perfectly well.
I laid hands on a nun, prayed, and the Holy Spirit moved and she was healed of MRSA (tests came back negative and MRSA where she lived was like being a leper). She died later that year of cancer. Prayed for the wrong thing I guess. True story.

Your comment make me giggle and I know you're being sarcastic.
 

Jackson123

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Mary was from Nazareth, she was a Jew and Jews DO NOT believe in original sin. Jews believe that one is born into the world with original purity, not with original sin. We know human beings can choose to do evil, but Judaism does not dwell on that fact. Rather, they rejoice, as they believe God rejoices, when human beings choose to do good.


Jackson response

So then not only Mary did not have original sin, but every Jew.


There are irregular Christians? Catholics believe the Sacrament of Baptism forgives original sin.


Jack response

No but if Mary was without sin then she is irregular.


I quoted the Scripture, and give me Pope Pius IX, who has absolutely nothing to do with the Word of God written in The Bible. Here comes a shocker, not every Catholic is in awe of the Pope, and certainly not Pius IX and his BFF Mussolini.

Where are you getting this from? Mary was a fourteen year old girl when she was betrothed to Joseph, you don't think that as a young teenage girl, she (Mary) may have had a wee bit of vanity once in her life, as all young girls do?
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It is from your ccc. And catholic must believe in CCC Am I correct?
 
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Suit yourself...you can think what you want...I just had a great conversation this morning with an 86 year old nun I am extremely close to..I spent 4.5 years side by side with 80 nuns day in and day out. I was like family. Which means I got to see and participate in it all, everything a nun does all day every day. They say they are Christians and indeed they are. Christian means little Jesus. Me, I consider myself to be "a follower of The Way". I don't like the term Christian sometimes because as your rhetorical questions implies there is a lot associated with it that is negative. Regardless, if we are in Christ any one of us we are brothers and sisters and part of the Body of Christ, no building or denomination or Pope or whatnot is needed.
When RC's have to add sacraments and works instead of just belieivng in Jesus, their not Christians.
 

Jackson123

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Again, what Catholic priest or Catholic educator has taught you this? As I've previously stated, this was never taught to me, in any school.


Jack response

Not only what catholic priest said, it is in your official ccc Catechism of the catholic church. It is mandatory for catholic to believe ccc.


Mary was a Jew, hence her non-belief in the existence of original sin.


Jack response.

Mary may did not believe in original sin, but Catholic is not Jew. Did Catholic believe Mary did not have original sin?

Your ccc said yes how about you.



How about, instead of quoting the words of men, you find the Words of God to substantiate your accusations of things the Catholic Church says and teaches from the Bible?
Jack response.

I agree. and I wonder, why Catholic make a rule that is not inline white the bible ?


Do you believe ccc or bible.
 
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Little Christs, is what I mean. Yes, they were first called that at Antioch as a derogatory name.
This is correct it was used to describe the original Apostles/disciples of Christ as a derogatory name, but it has been adapted to mean much more then that now.

Also it still came about before the term catholic was even used, as the term catholic (lower case c ) was not used tell the 2nd century (101-200 AD). Then it was only used to describe the universal aspect that any person no matter what nationality can become a believer/follower of Christ.

It was never meant to be the denominational describing term of the Church (body of believers) that the RCC changed it into, and then went many years trying to tell others if you aren't a Catholic you aren't saved.

The RCC has a few doctrinal issues that have strayed from the truth teachings of the Lord our God to go the way of apostasy.

I left the RCC after 5 years because of the doctrinal teaching errors, and teaching another doctrine then what the Lord Jesus Christ taught and commanded is preaching another Jesus. Apostle Paul clearly preaches on the dangers of preaching another gospel, another Jesus, and bringing teachings other then what the Lord gave !!!
 
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This is correct it was used to describe the original Apostles/disciples of Christ as a derogatory name, but it has been adapted to mean much more then that now.

Also it still came about before the term catholic was even used, as the term catholic (lower case c ) was not used tell the 2nd century (101-200 AD). Then it was only used to describe the universal aspect that any person no matter what nationality can become a believer/follower of Christ.

It was never meant to be the denominational describing term of the Church (body of believers) that the RCC changed it into, and then went many years trying to tell others if you aren't a Catholic you aren't saved.

The RCC has a few doctrinal issues that have strayed from the truth teachings of the Lord our God to go the way of apostasy.

I left the RCC after 5 years because of the doctrinal teaching errors, and teaching another doctrine then what the Lord Jesus Christ taught and commanded is preaching another Jesus. Apostle Paul clearly preaches on the dangers of preaching another gospel, another Jesus, and bringing teachings other then what the Lord gave !!!
I don't agree with RC teachings either but no one here can say each individual that does or is, is not a Christian or saved. I know enough Catholics that love God and I believe have the Holy Spirit and the gifts of the Spirit. Then I know Protestants who are not. It's sad how badly they are talked down on here on this website how do we expect to be received?

With that I am bowing out.
 
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KennethC

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I don't agree with RC teachings either but no one here can say each individual that does or is, is not a Christian or saved. I know enough Catholics that love God and I believe have the Holy Spirit and the gifts of the Spirit. Then I know Protestants who are not. It's sad how badly they are talked down on here on this website how do we expect to be received?

With that I am bowing out.
We are to still show love to them even so they are walking in a false doctrine to bring them out of those false teachings and into the truth.

Apostasy teachings do not lead to salvation but the other direction, as Apostle Paul shows in 1 Timothy 4 !!!

Some branches of the Catholic church are trying to move away from that apostasy teaching, and it is true they all can not be labeled the same. One first step they need to take though still is not to believe every word the Pope says as he is to be tested by the word of God to.
 

Jackson123

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I don't agree with RC teachings either but no one here can say each individual that does or is, is not a Christian or saved. I know enough Catholics that love God and I believe have the Holy Spirit and the gifts of the Spirit. Then I know Protestants who are not. It's sad how badly they are talked down on here on this website how do we expect to be received?

With that I am bowing out.
You don't agree with RC teaching, mean you believe RC teaching is wrong.
If they have Holy spirit, why Holy spirit not warn them about false teaching?