Is the Devil bound right now...?

[Ahwatukee]

LOL reading into Scripture again? It is true that after Jesus second coming there will be no life on earth. All will either have been raptured or judged and executed

Regarding the above, how do you figure that Valiant? There will be the great tribulation saints (Gentiles) who will have made it through to the end of the thousand years and also the woman/Israel who will have been cared for out in the desert for that last 3 1/2 years until Christ returns. Both of these groups will be those who will repopulate the millennial kingdom in their mortal bodies.

 

[Bowman]

And especially, there is no New Testament Scripture to show that our Lord Jesus is now sitting upon the throne of His inheritance, which is the throne of His father David; instead our Lord Jesus is sitting at the right hand of The Father's throne (Luke 1:32; Acts 2:29-35). Even in Rev.3:21, that has yet to occur.

Why........?

 

[Bowman]

What you have seen: Everything that John saw within his vision from Rev.1:1 to 1:19

What is now: Represented by the letters to the seven churches and which is stands for the entire church period, which we are still in, that is, we are still in the "Now".

What must take place later: Everything that will take place after the "Now," that is, everything that will take place after the church period has concluded, which is basically the wrath of God poured out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments.

No.

Show us scripture which states the same...and exegetically defend it...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Now I know that you are lacking in the upper section. There is no way that Jerusalem on earth could be made large enough to cater for the peoples of the whole world. If it was it would no longer be Jerusalem.

Oh ye of little faith.

LOL reading into Scripture again? It is true that after Jesus second coming there will be no life on earth. All will either have been raptured or judged and executed.

Actually this is wrong, Jesus said whoever endured to the end would be saved. So when he returns, all life will not cease to exist. In fact this is WHY jesus said he comes.

[SUP]22 [/SUP]And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

so maybe it is you who needs reading lessons? (do these insults need to keep occuring? it seems a little childish. can;t we just stick to the word instead of acting like bullies who have to insult the other to make his point?

But GOD doesn't say it. It is in your dreams.

Zech 14:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]The people shall dwell in it; And no longer shall there be utter destruction, But Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.



[SUP]16 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain.

No, God said it!

But you are supposed to get it right first LOL

who said I did not?? You?? were you there?

But God did not raise anyone from the dead in Abraham's day. Wake up.

Rolls eyes

Heb 11:[SUP]17 [/SUP]By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, [SUP]18 [/SUP]of whom it was said, “In Isaac your seed shall be called,”[SUP][d][/SUP] [SUP]19[/SUP]concluding that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead, from which he also received him in a figurative sense.

Your losing it my friend.

You mean you believe what is not going to happen? At last you admit it LOL

I prefer to believe what IS going to happen and have faith in that.

what??

I do have faith in what is going to happen.. You said it already did happen.. Again, your losing it..

Proof?

See above, and I can give you many more OT prophesies..

Unless you think the jerusalem in heaven will ever be under captivity, and a nation will need rain in eternity.

Try to twist that one symbolically.

No I know you are a sad case, See how you wriggle? How can saying that peoples make up nations be spiritualising? No wonder you are mixed up.

Your the one spiritualising not me

So nations are not people? What are they then? Ah yes as Solomon said they can be ants.

Actualy they said these people who come up REPRESENT the nations. it is the national leaders.

[SUP]17 [/SUP]And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain. [SUP]18 [/SUP]If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the Lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. [SUP]19 [/SUP]This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

I tried to give you an out to prove you understood scripture and acted dumb, you missed your opportunity.

 

[Bowman]

OP asked is the devil "bound" right now.

But OP did not state what he/she meant by "bound".

There's different types or versions or kinds of bound.

There is being completely bound ie locked in a cell.

Then there is being a little bound ie not locked up but on a chain.

Then there is being bound by rules and regulations.

OP did not state what he/she meant by bound!

Therefore this thread is just going to go round and round in circles............

Being 'bound' would be defined by the terms in the scripture which I asked for people to provide.

 

[Bowman]

Hello Rudimental,

No, actually the thread goes around and around, because of A-millennialism. It is made very clear of what type of binding it is, for scripture states that an angel will come down out of heaven and will seize Satan and throw him into the Abyss where he will be bound during the thousand year reign of Christ.

"He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended."

Regardless of what type of binding it is, it is clear that it will be in the Abyss, which is under the surface of the earth. And by Satan's binding it will keep him from having any exposure at all to the inhabitants of the earth during that time.

And.....in keeping with that logic...the 'key' is a gigantic skeleton key....and the 'chain' is one used at the county fair for auto pulling contests...the 'door' that Jesus knocks on is made out of solid oak..etc, etc...

 

[Bowman]

Don't be absurd. Satan is a powerful spirit. He could not possibly be detained within a spatial Abyss. And certainly not 'under the earth'. You are SOOOOOO naïve. You seem unable to break way from the flesh. Don't you know anything about the spiritual world?

His aren't two smart...

 

[valiant]

Hello Valiant,

"seeing the reign of Christ with His saints ruling over the world today as literal" in this case is misinterpretation and that because the chronological order of scripture makes it clear that the thousand years begins after Jesus physically and visually returns to the earth to end the age, where the beast and the false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire and Satan is cast into the Abyss. Yet, these things have not yet taken place.

But it is not the chronological order of Scripture. All Scripture is not necessarily chronological. Revelation is divided up into a number of visions, each ending with the second coming. They could not be interpreted chronologically. Rev 17-19 is one vision. Chapter 20 is a separate vision. It draws on previous material. Thus the loosing of Satan parallels 9.11. The reigning with Christ covers the whole book. The last judgment is a repeat of a number of depictions of the last judgment in Rev. Rev 20 is a precis of what has gone before. Thus by misinterpreting Revelation you allow yourself to be led astray.

You interpret Jesus as currently ruling from heaven through the saints, but scripture states that he himself will be here ruling on earth with a rod of iron from the throne of David from Jerusalem.

I await with bated breath for the verse which says this. Scripture says nothing of that at all. But it DOES say that Christ is ruling on the throne of David from Heaven (Acts 2.30-36)

Even if you want to claim that he is currently ruling through the saints, that is also is not happening.

Poor old Paul got it wrong again in Eph 2.5-6; Col 1.13; 3.1-4. He really was careless. He seemed to think that the saints were reigning. Now who should I believe?

I don't see the saints ruling with a rod of iron over the people of the earth nor do I see any of the other characteristics of the millennial period currently existing.

But that is because you do not know what shepherding with a rod of iron is. Read Psalm 2. It means BREAKING with a rod of iron. The shepherd used the rod of iron to slay wild beasts. When Christ comes He and His saints will break the nations with a rod of iron in the final judgment.

Regarding Satan's binding, you don't believe in a literal thousand years, but interpret it as an unknown amount of time even though it says "a thousand years" six times.

all are referring to similar periods (not in fact the same period) thus what one means they all mean. A comparative phrase on the OT is 'a thousand generations'. Look those up and tell me that they mean a literal thousand!!!!

It also states that his binding will be in the Abyss, but your binding has him out and about in some passive binding, where Scripture has him bound in the Abyss which is under the earth.

Not MY binding. Christ's binding. And it was Christ Who agreed that though he was bound his minions were still active.

Just because Satan and his angels are spirit, that doesn't mean that God could not have some type of spiritual barrier below the surface of the earth which they cannot cross.

Don't be absurd. They cannot be UNDER THE EARTH in any literal sense. They are SPIRIT. They are not spatial. Now you are inventing nonsense.

Obviously there is some type of barrier and that because that angel, the beast, who is currently in the Abyss has not yet been able to come out of there, but will do so only at the sounding of the fifth trumpet when the Abyss is unlocked. So something is keeping him from leaving the Abyss.

Yes the beast is there with the king of the angels (9.11). Sound familiar? ALREADY BOUND.

Then you are a different kind of Amillennialis, because most of them believe that when the body dies, it returns to dust and stays that way never to rise again.

you must have limited contact with amillennials. all the evangelical amillennialsts in the UK (the majority of evangelical Christians here) believe in the rapture and the resurrection.


well I must to bed LOL

 

[Ahwatukee]

No.

Show us scripture which states the same...and exegetically defend it...

I just did and you didn't recognize or understand it. So here it is again. The information above is pretty self explanatory. Each one of those commands to write represents what is now, that is, the church period, followed by the "what will take place later" or after the now/church period, which includes the wrath of God as described via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments "the things that must take place later". I'm not going to waste my time explaining things to someone who can't even read the words "a thousand years" and believe it. If you can't understand the meaning of a literal thousand years or that there is a literal Abyss, how are you going to understand the deeper things of scripture?

 

[valiant]

Oh ye of little faith.

LOL even Zechariah admits they couldn't all get into Jerusalem so I am in good company. But if you wish to believe absurdities, be my guest.

Actually this is wrong, Jesus said whoever endured to the end would be saved. So when he returns, all life will not cease to exist. In fact this is WHY jesus said he comes.

But it will all 'cease' when He comes, some being raptured the remainder judged.

[SUP]22 [/SUP]And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

so that they will be able to be raptured.

so maybe it is you who needs reading lessons?

see above.

(do these insults need to keep occuring? it seems a little childish. can;t we just stick to the word instead of acting like bullies who have to insult the other to make his point?

I think you started it LOL but you must admit its fun.

Zech 14:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]The people shall dwell in it; And no longer shall there be utter destruction, But Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

if there has been utter destruction how has Jerusalem survived? Answer - in heaven.

[SUP]16 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain.

The only way that the OT prophets could point to the new Jerusalem in heaven which was outside the range of their thinking. Those of us who read the NT know exactly what he meant.

No, God said it!

He did expect us to read the NT


who said I did not?? You?? were you there?

well you didn't get it right in your posts

Heb 11:[SUP]17 [/SUP]By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, [SUP]18 [/SUP]of whom it was said, “In Isaac your seed shall be called,”[SUP][d][/SUP] [SUP]19[/SUP]concluding that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead, from which he also received him in a figurative sense.

yes I am aware of this and was as I wrote. but even you have to see that if he received him in a figurative sense he did not do so literally. Thus there WAS NO literal resurrection

Your losing it my friend.

see above LOL

what??

Abraham believed in a resurrection that was not going to happen. you believe in a millennium which is not going to happen. BOTH ARE FIGURATIVE - that is NT teaching

I do have faith in what is going to happen.. You said it already did happen.. Again, your losing it..

yes like Abraham you believe in something that is not going to happen because God intends to answer figuratively. Guess its not me who is losing it.

See above, and I can give you many more OT prophesies..

I prefer the New Testament interpretations of them

Unless you think the jerusalem in heaven will ever be under captivity, and a nation will need rain in eternity.

when you are a little older you will see that in OT prophecy the one blends into the other. Read Isaiah and check all the references to Jerusalem. It is very clear there.

Try to twist that one symbolically.

see above.

Actualy they said these people who come up REPRESENT the nations. it is the national leaders.

But that is not what Zechariah said.

[SUP]17 [/SUP]And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain. [SUP]18 [/SUP]If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the Lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. [SUP]19 [/SUP]This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

nothing about representative there. 'every one that is left of all the nations will go up'. crystal clear.

I tried to give you an out to prove you understood scripture and acted dumb, you missed your opportunity.

Glad you admit what you said was dumb, I don't need your help son.

well I must to bed

 

[passing_through]

The devil was not bound at Jesus' crucifixion, wasn't defeated either, what happen was that two weapons/tools was striped from him - which were death (fear of death) whereby many were in bondage, and the ordinance that were against us he nailed to his cross.

Satan was not defeated ever yet, if he was defeated then he would be our adversary.

 

[Bowman]

I just did and you didn't recognize or understand it. So here it is again. The information above is pretty self explanatory. Each one of those commands to write represents what is now, that is, the church period, followed by the "what will take place later" or after the now/church period, which includes the wrath of God as described via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments "the things that must take place later". I'm not going to waste my time explaining things to someone who can't even read the words "a thousand years" and believe it. If you can't understand the meaning of a literal thousand years or that there is a literal Abyss, how are you going to understand the deeper things of scripture?

I understand the Greek...so when have you EVER posted that?

 

[Bowman]

You people sadly impute more power to Satan than to God.,

Agreed....

 

[Ahwatukee]

But it is not the chronological order of Scripture. All Scripture is not necessarily chronological.

Revelation is in chronological order, which is why it is listed as seals one through seven, trumpets one through seven and bowls one through seven. When you take them out of order, you mess everything up! Also, the reason why you say that it is not in chronological order is so that you can support your belief, otherwise it kills your belief.

await with bated breath for the verse which says this. Scripture says nothing of that at all. But it DOES say that Christ is ruling on the throne of David from Heaven (Acts 2.30-36)

It is a matter of bringing the scriptures together to get a picture of the millennial period and Christ's literal rule during the millennium.

* On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south.

When the Lord descends from heaven, just as the scripture above states, his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives. I think that we can all agree that the event above hasn't happened yet.

* He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. (Rev.19:13)

"Who is this coming from Edom, from Bozrah, with his garments stained crimson? Who is this, robed in splendor, striding forward in the greatness of his strength?" (Isa.63:1)

"Why are your garments red, like those of one treading the winepress? “I have trodden the winepress alone;from the nations no one was with me. I trampled them in my anger and trod them down in my wrath;
their blood spattered my garments, and I stained all my clothing. It was for me the day of vengeance;
the year for me to redeem had come.

" He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: King of kings and Lord of lords"

The scriptures above demonstrate in both the old and new testament, that the Lord is the One who is being referred to as coming from Bozrah and Edom, which would take place after he descends to the earth. The reference to his robe dipped in blood as he is returning to the earth is in reference to him who will be treading the winepress, which is why his robe will be splattered with blood.

"Your Majesty looked, and there before you stood a large statue—an enormous, dazzling statue, awesome in appearance. The head of the statue was made of pure gold, its chest and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze, its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of baked clay. While you were watching, a rock was cut out, but not by human hands. It struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and smashed them. Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were all broken to pieces and became like chaff on a threshing floor in the summer. The wind swept them away without leaving a trace. But the rock that struck the statue became a huge mountain and filled the whole earth."

The statue in Nebuchadnezzar's dream represents human kingdoms/governments, including the feet of iron and partly baked clay kingdom which is that coming last kingdom. The Rock (Jesus Christ) who falls on the feet of the statue breaks it into pieces like chaff on the threshing floor with the wind blowing it all away and never to be found again, represents the end of human government. But the rock that struck the statue became a huge mountain and filled the whole earth, which represents Christ's rule during his millennial kingdom.

* He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore.

When have we ever seen Jesus settle disputes between the nations.
When have nations beaten their weapons of war into instruments of agriculture?
When have nations stopped fighting and not trained for war any more?

The answer to all three above would be, Never! And therefore, must be for a future time period, that being the millennial period.

* The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat,

the calf and the lion and the yearling together; and a little child will lead them.
The cow will feed with the bear, their young will lie down together,
and the lion will eat straw like the ox. The infant will play near the cobra’s den,
and the young child will put its hand into the viper’s nest. They will neither harm nor destroy
on all my holy mountain, for the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the Lord
as the waters cover the sea.

When has any of the above characteristics ever been present after the flood? The answer is Never and therefore, those characteristics must be for a future time period, which could only the millennial kingdom.

Poor old Paul got it wrong again in Eph 2.5-6; Col 1.13; 3.1-4. He really was careless. He seemed to think that the saints were reigning. Now who should I believe?

Here is Eph.2:6 "And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,"

Regarding the above, I'll ask you the question, are believers currently seated in the heavenly realms with Christ, literally? No, we are still here on earth and therefore there must be some other meaning attached to other than a literal one. Neither are we currently ruling through Christ on this earth and I don't need to use an illustration to prove that.

all are referring to similar periods (not in fact the same period) thus what one means they all mean. A comparative phrase on the OT is 'a thousand generations'. Look those up and tell me that they mean a literal thousand!!!!

The first rule in exegesis is to first consider the context of any given scripture. Scripture shows the order of events as Christ descending from heaven sometime after the seventh bowl has been poured out, followed by the beast and the false prophet being thrown into the lake of fire at that same time. Following this, an angel descends from heaven and casts Satan into the Abyss for a thousand years. Therefore, there is no reason to look for another interpretation for the meaning of a "Thousand." For the context makes clear that the same thousand years that Satan is bound is the same thousand years that Christ will be ruling. The mention of this demonstrates that after Christ returns, there will be a literal period of a thousand years. The characteristics, such as nation no longer taking up war against nation and the lion eating straw like the Ox as described above, etc., will all be apart of that thousand years.

Not MY binding. Christ's binding. And it was Christ Who agreed that though he was bound his minions were still active.

The purpose of the literal binding of Satan in the literal Abyss for a literal thousand years, is so that Satan and his angels will not have any kind of exposure to the surface of the earth and therefore mankind during that time so that they will not be able to deceive them in any way. If his angels were not bound as well, then it would defeat the purpose of Satan being bound and that because his angels would still be able to deceive. I believe that the binding of Satan is representing both him and his angels. One thing is for sure, the Lord is not going to allow those fallen angels to wander around the earth, deceiving people during his millennial kingdom.

Don't be absurd. They cannot be UNDER THE EARTH in any literal sense. They are SPIRIT. They are not spatial. Now you are inventing nonsense.

Who is being absurd? The word of God says that Satan will be bound in the Abyss, which is the same place that the demons collectively called Legion begged Jesus not to send them into. And as scripture points out, there are many demons already restricted in the Abyss as I am writing this, so I don't need to prove my point on this. Scripture also demonstrates that the Abyss is opened with a key at the fifth trumpet and must also be locked back up using a key. Whether the key is corporeal or spiritual is irrelevant, because regardless, it is used to both open and close the Abyss.

Yes the beast is there with the king of the angels (9.11). Sound familiar? ALREADY BOUND

If you are trying to infer that the angel/beast who is currently bound in the Abyss is synonymous as being Satan you would be wrong! For Satan and the angel that is currently in the Abyss are two different entities. As proof of this, When Jesus returns to end the age, the angel/beast who will have been released from the Abyss at the fifth trumpet, will then be thrown alive with the false prophet into the lake of fire, where Satan is thrown into the Abyss where that angel had previously been restricted to. To be clear, that angel who is the beast of the Abyss is currently bound there, while Satan currently has access to the earth and the heavenlies.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

LOL even Zechariah admits they couldn't all get into Jerusalem so I am in good company. But if you wish to believe absurdities, be my guest.[/B][/COLOR]


But it will all 'cease' when He comes, some being raptured the remainder judged.



so that they will be able to be raptured.




see above.



I think you started it LOL but you must admit its fun.



if there has been utter destruction how has Jerusalem survived? Answer - in heaven.



The only way that the OT prophets could point to the new Jerusalem in heaven which was outside the range of their thinking. Those of us who read the NT know exactly what he meant.





He did expect us to read the NT
[/B]

who said I did not?? You?? were you there?

well you didn't get it right in your posts




yes I am aware of this and was as I wrote. but even you have to see that if he received him in a figurative sense he did not do so literally. Thus there WAS NO literal resurrection



see above LOL[/B][/COLOR]



Abraham believed in a resurrection that was not going to happen. you believe in a millennium which is not going to happen. BOTH ARE FIGURATIVE - that is NT teaching



yes like Abraham you believe in something that is not going to happen because God intends to answer figuratively. Guess its not me who is losing it.



I prefer the New Testament interpretations of them



when you are a little older you will see that in OT prophecy the one blends into the other. Read Isaiah and check all the references to Jerusalem. It is very clear there.



see above.




But that is not what Zechariah said.



nothing about representative there. 'every one that is left of all the nations will go up'. crystal clear.



Glad you admit what you said was dumb, I don't need your help son.

well I must to bed

Like I said you were losing it

Well with this you just lost it. I certainly am not going to learn anything from you. your all over the place..

 

[Bowman]

Revelation is in chronological order, which is why it is listed as seals one through seven, trumpets one through seven and bowls one through seven. When you take them out of order, you mess everything up! Also, the reason why you say that it is not in chronological order is so that you can support your belief, otherwise it kills your belief.

The seals, trumpets, bowls, etc are all revealed by The Son when His singular Resurrection took place. (Rev 5.6 - 9).

 

[Ahwatukee]

The seals, trumpets, bowls, etc are all revealed by The Son when His singular Resurrection took place. (Rev 5.6 - 9).

Hello Bowman,

The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments is a future, detailed account of the day of the Lord, the wrath of God. They will take place literally according to each judgment.

"I will sweep away everything from the face of the earth, When I destroy all mankindon the face of the earth, declares the Lord. I will sweep away both man and beast;
I will sweep away the birds in the sky and the fish in the sea—and the idols that cause
the wicked to stumble. When I destroy all mankind on the face of the earth,” (Zeph.1)

"I will make man scarcer than pure gold, more rare than the pure gold of Ophir." (Isaiah 13:12)

God is going to decimate the population of the earth and dismantle all human government via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments and this will occur during that last seven years. None of those events of wrath described in Revelation have been fulfilled. The only way that you could bring fulfillment to them is to symbolize or spiritualize them, which would be to ignore the literal meaning scripture.

The fourth seal and the sixth trumpet are the only two places that list the percentages of fatalities, those being a fourth and a third of the population, respectively. With just those two, the total fatalities based on 7 billion would be 4.4 billion people alone and that is not counting the fatalities resulting from trumpets 1, 2 and 3 or the seven bowl judgments. Regarding Rev.5:6-9, this was a vision of the Lamb, Jesus Christ, when in the future he will take the scroll from God the Father and will begin to open the scroll, which represents all of the information contained in the book of Revelation, which will initiate the wrath of God by opening that first seal.

Conclusion: The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments are actual events of wrath that will take place in the near future to decimate the population of the earth and dismantle human government in preparation for Christ's millennial kingdom. The Rock (Christ) that falls on the feet of the statue, which represents all human government, is smashed to pieces like chaff on the threshing floor and blown away by the wind never to be found again (end of human government). But the rock that strikes the statue will become a huge mountain and fill the whole earth (Christ's millennial kingdom on earth).

 

[valiant]

Valiant - LOL reading into Scripture again? It is true that after Jesus second coming there will be no life on earth. All will either have been raptured or judged and executed

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[/B]Regarding the above, how do you figure that Valiant? There will be the great tribulation saints (Gentiles) who will have made it through to the end of the thousand years and also the woman/Israel who will have been cared for out in the desert for that last 3 1/2 years until Christ returns. Both of these groups will be those who will repopulate the millennial kingdom in their mortal bodies.

In your dreams

There is no such thing as unique 'tribulation saints'. They are a myth. We are ALL tribulation saints and we will be raptured or resurrected at the coming of Christ.

The woman Israel was the Jewish church in the 1st century AD and her offspring were the Gentiles who united with them forming the true Israel.

 

[valiant]

The devil was not bound at Jesus' crucifixion, wasn't defeated either,

what an extraordinary statement. I will agree that Satan was vanquished and bound during Christ's ministry (Matt 12.28-29) but he was further defeated when his main lieutenants were led in triumph as prisoners of Christ in Col .15. The whole is depicted in Rev 12.7-10.

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by valiant

Pity no one told Jesus and Paul and Peter about it. They seem to have missed out. Not a breath about the millennium with any of them.

Then you have not really studied all The New Testament writings, particularly about the subject they both covered about "the day of the Lord". (Also, in 2 Thess.2:1-2, the phrase "day of Christ" in the Greek is actually "day of the Lord", since the actual Greek word there is not 'Christos' but 'kurios' which means 'lord'). See 1 Thess.5 and 2 Pet.3.

And since you apparently don't know what that "day of the Lord" subject is, otherwise you would have recognized it from the Old Testament Books of God's prophets, then that reveals you're probably lacking in Old Testament Book study also.

What you mean is that I haven't swallowed your perversions of Scripture about the Day of the Lord?. The Day of the Lord (the time when God has His day) is the time of God's judgment, whether on the Babylonians or anyone else. There have been a number of 'days of the Lord' and He will continue to have His days.

The final day of the Lord described in Rev 19 issues in the end of the physical world (2 Peter 3). After that is the everlasting kingdom in the new spiritual heaven and earth which is suitable for God's permanent dwelling.