Is the Devil bound right now...?

[Ahwatukee]

...hmmm,... Things like our Libido are mental facilities that developed over time and have powerful effects on us.

Those things you mentioned above are not what is going to be bound in the literal Abyss for a thousand years, but the actual person of Satan is going to be who is bound. That's what the verse states.

 

[Cassian]

To deify a group is a rabbit trail.

Take a look at the church fathers argument on the trinity.
You base an entire belief system on fickle humanoids (the early church).

Enter 1947. HELLO.....GAME CHANGER

Typical propaganda. I knew you could not come up with any because none exists.

On the other hand how fickle could the ideas of a few false teachers such as Miller, Darby be. I'm sure there will be more newer and better innovations to the theory (ies) than even Walvoord, Ryrie, and Impe have put forth. It might make movies but has no scriptural traction.

 

[Cassian]

You'll learn more, and better, by going research that for yourself instead having me try to teach you. It's readily available in the writings of the early Church fathers of the 1st century A.D.

It does not exist and I have done a very thorough study. It never appears in the Church Fathers. Chilism is what does appear in a few but that would today be described as post-millennialism.

The Church declared Chilism heretical at the 2nd Ecumenical Council. It never was a belief of the Church. Your error is to assume that Church Fathers determined what the Church believed. Nothing could be further from the truth. Individual man, including every Church Father never determined what the Church believed.

So, we have determined that your assertion was inaccurate and untrue.

On the other hand it can be easily determined by good study that premillennialism is a fabrication first developed by Miller in England and later added to by Darby in America. Schofield contributed to it with his dispensational theory and it was not really until the mid 20th century that it became popularized by Lindsey, and all the others since. Clearly it has nothing to do about what scripture means but all to do with man's penchant to impose his creative innovations upon scripture.

Man has always been incorrect, what would make it different in the current times.

 

[popeye]

Typical propaganda. I knew you could not come up with any because none exists.

On the other hand how fickle could the ideas of a few false teachers such as Miller, Darby be. I'm sure there will be more newer and better innovations to the theory (ies) than even Walvoord, Ryrie, and Impe have put forth. It might make movies but has no scriptural traction.

Ok,we got you down as poo pooing Israel's formation as a nation.

Dodge that one for us.

 

[popeye]

Lots of rationalization with no evidence to support them. Your biggest problem is that scripture does not do what you think it does considering this point....
[/COLOR][/B]I would like you to show any evidence that sola scriptura is not a faulty doctrine. That is a rhetorical question since there is no evidence to show it is not faulty. You are so mired in the quagmire that you cannot see that it is all based on man made interpretations. Scripture alone is itself a purely protestant created false teaching that has birthed all of these theories that abound just in this thread, let alone most of the rest of scripture. You cannot even provide evidence as to which theory is supposedly more scriptural than the others stated in this thread. Most presenters are so egotistical that they don't even give credit where credit is due for their interpretations. They arrogantly need to push the idea that the theory is solely theirs and came to them from studying the Bible. Which is why men such as Walvoord does not fully agree with Darby or Schofield or even with his contempories. If a man's name is ascribed to it, it is always a false teaching.

This thread is actually an excellent exercise in false teaching. One false teacher shows their theory is better, thus more scriptural than the other false theory. They actually eliminate themselves, one never needs to be presented the Truth to determine something is false.

The Truth was given ONCE, not many times, and especially not to many different men throughout history. If it has not been believed from the beginning without change it is a false teaching.

As to whether Satan is bound you have not done your sola scriptura study very well. Scripturally, without all the false teachings, it means Christ defeated death. If He is not bound as you believe, you have even a much bigger problem than some false theory of premillennialism, you need Christ to still come and redeem us from death and sin. When will that happen? Is that before or after premillinnialism? Apparently you really don't believe scripture, but ONLY either your interpretation or some other man's interpretation. You are caught in the same disbelief as the Jews who are still waiting for their Messiah.

This thread is actually an excellent exercise in false teaching. One false teacher shows their theory is better, thus more scriptural than the other false theory. They actually eliminate themselves, one never needs to be presented the Truth to determine something is false.

Classic Pot <--> Kettle

 

[Cassian]

Ok,we got you down as poo pooing Israel's formation as a nation.

Dodge that one for us.

Why do I need to dodge it. There is NOTHING in scripture that even comes close to having a worldly Jewish state established. What happened in 1947 is simply a political decision made by the winners of WWII to establish a Jewish state.

In fact it goes diametrically against what God permitted in 70AD which Christ promised would happen for their rejection of Him. Christ did not die to establish a worldly kingdom. He died to defeat death and sin and establish one new man that He would call out of this world. His Kingdom is NOT of this world. So-called Christians have aligned themselves with a very secular and non-Christian Zionist, nationalist movement as if it is part of Christianity. Anyone can do so politically but it has no scriptural basis or origin and has never been a part of Christianity.

 

[Cassian]

Classic Pot <--> Kettle

Produce the evidence. So far, not only in this thread, but for the last 200 years since Miller no one has produced any evidence that the theory of premillennialism was ever a scriptural teaching. On the other hand Darby did not fully agree with Miller's interpretation and created his own which immediately makes it unscriptural. Then Schofield added a whole new diminision to it by adding dispensationalism. Lindsey changed it drastically and others disagreed with him and it is still going on. Hardly the Gospel given ONCE in the beginning.

If it was actually scriptural, it would have been believed the same from the beginning. Furthermore if it was new revelation, one would assume that the Holy Spirit would have given only one version and a complete version at that. But we know that is not possible either as it directly contradicts scripture in how revelation has always been given.

All that will happen is individual men will continue to try to impose his best theory, thus eliminating all that came before, but only will find that someone else will replace his view. The sola scripturist has been doing this for 500 years now, I don't see a change coming any time soon. What scripture does say is that more of these fantasies will rise up and tickle the minds of men in the last days.

 

[DP]

It does not exist and I have done a very thorough study. It never appears in the Church Fathers. Chilism is what does appear in a few but that would today be described as post-millennialism.

The Church declared Chilism heretical at the 2nd Ecumenical Council. It never was a belief of the Church. Your error is to assume that Church Fathers determined what the Church believed. Nothing could be further from the truth. Individual man, including every Church Father never determined what the Church believed.

So, we have determined that your assertion was inaccurate and untrue.

On the other hand it can be easily determined by good study that premillennialism is a fabrication first developed by Miller in England and later added to by Darby in America. Schofield contributed to it with his dispensational theory and it was not really until the mid 20th century that it became popularized by Lindsey, and all the others since. Clearly it has nothing to do about what scripture means but all to do with man's penchant to impose his creative innovations upon scripture.

Man has always been incorrect, what would make it different in the current times.

Sorry, but your response is laughable. You just don't want to look into something you don't want to believe in the first place. So go argue with someone else. I won't argue with you.

 

[ukok102nak]

:rofl: Let's ask first what is his beliefs
with accordance to the holy scripture itself?

:smoke: And it would be the best if is not to much to ask :blush:
: hmm: His doctrines also :happy:

 

[ukok102nak]

For someone telling us about those certain people whom we never met before
Or shall we say We don't have any knowledge about those certain people

But regarding to the scripture . ... Let's wait for an answer
:smoke: About his doctrine that is : happy:

 

[prove-all]

It is actually the eternal kingdom

in Daniel 2:44: “… and the kingdom shall not
be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume
all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.”

“All these kingdoms”refers to those four world-ruling kingdoms represented
by the great image. In other words, the kingdoms, or [governments],of this world
will be consumed and replaced by the Kingdom of God.

When Christ returns as supreme Ruler, the governments of
this world will cease to exist. They will be replaced by God’s
Kingdom—His government—and administered by His Family!

 

[ukok102nak]

This is something we can share about the " op "
Revelation: 3. 9. Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
10. Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

So there is asynagogue of Satan but where?
Can those people that were mentioned in this verses be somehow put into a place where a human cannot live as in literally can't breath eat drink and whatever that may suits those people in order to be alive for
God saith behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet,
Whoever that maybe . ...

:ty:

 

[prove-all]

5The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof;
because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance,
broken the everlasting covenant.

Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate:
therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.



20The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage;
and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

21And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall punish the host
of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

22And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit,
and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.


23Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the Lord
of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.

 

[ukok102nak]

Indeed
You managed to put . ...
As the prophet isaiah . ...

:smoke: Thank you very much my brethren :happy:

 

[prove-all]

This is something we can share about the " op "
Revelation: 3. 9. Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

:

these are people that say they are spiritual jews, Gods people, but are not and lie.

this verse is not about a jew from the line of Judah

 

[valiant]

in Daniel 2:44: “… and the kingdom shall not
be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume
all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.”

“All these kingdoms”refers to those four world-ruling kingdoms represented
by the great image. In other words, the kingdoms, or [governments],of this world
will be consumed and replaced by the Kingdom of God.

When Christ returns as supreme Ruler, the governments of
this world will cease to exist. They will be replaced by God’s
Kingdom—His government—and administered by His Family!

when Christ returns the world will cease to exist. The consequence will be the establishment of the everlasting kingdom which Daniel describes. He makes no suggestion that there will be a temporary, failing kingdom called the millennium!!!

 

[valiant]

these are people that say they are spiritual jews, Gods people, but are not and lie.

this verse is not about a jew from the line of Judah

LOL you are simply closing your eyes to the FACTS, In John's day it was the JEWS who were the synagogue of Satan because of what they did against Christians. Of course it was about Jews from the line of Judah, and especially their scribes

 

[ukok102nak]

To whom it may concern,
:hmm: And where is the lie from that letters
Maybe your interpretation is been twisted
by those evil things . ...
:read:
This is something we can share about the " op "
Revelation: 3. 9. Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
10. Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

So there is asynagogue of Satan but where?
Can those people that were mentioned in this verses be somehow put into a place where a human cannot live as in literally can't breath eat drink and whatever that may suits those people in order to be alive for
God saith behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet,
Whoever that maybe . ...

:ty:

And about those jew from the line of Judah . ...
:smoke: Absolutely there is nothing in there that will come up to . ... Or from any understanding that has a misunderstanding within each heart and soul :happy:

Matthew: 12. 47. Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
48. But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
49. And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
50. For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

 

[prove-all]

LOL you are simply closing your eyes to the FACTS, In John's day it was the JEWS who were the synagogue of Satan because of what they did against Christians. Of course it was about Jews from the line of Judah, and especially their scribes

which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie;


so how does a jew say he is a jew, but lies?

this makes no sense if they where physical jews,

and the Samarians where transplanted in the town

 

[ukok102nak]

This is what
we want to ask in the first place So there is asynagogue of Satan but where?
Can those people that were mentioned in this verses be somehow put into a place where a human cannot live as in literally can't breath eat drink and whatever that may suits those people in order to be alive for
God saith behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet,
Whoever that maybe . ...
*for real
:ty: