How can God justify the ungodly and still maintain His integrity to His law?
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We have life because of God, but that life came from Adam. When God created Adam He created the human race.
Acts 17:26 From one man (Adam) he (God) made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live.
God created mankind during the 1st week of creation. He is not creating now....If God is creating humans, then God is creating sinners and that would make God guilty of sin.
Acts 17:26 From one man (Adam) he (God) made every nation of men, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he determined the times set for them and the exact places where they should live.
God created mankind during the 1st week of creation. He is not creating now....If God is creating humans, then God is creating sinners and that would make God guilty of sin.
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Read Romans 3:21 But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished
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>>>>Oh and btw, in my previous post where I said we are all made in God's image, you said that wasn't true, that MANKIND is made in God's image.. Well, we ARE mankind..lol.. We all have the breath of God in us BECAUSE HE CREATED US.<<<<
Are you completely IGNORING the effort I made to show you the distinction between SPIRIT and SOUL or merely by mistake???
God BREATHED into ADAM and EVE O-N-L-Y. Meaning ONCE @ creation. He made them living SOUL and SPIRIT, after original sin THEY DIED SPIRITUALLY... but lived as souls BY GRACE. Everyone born of adam and eve is SPIRITUALLY DEAD... their soul is a product of the NATURAL MAN... the natural law of procreation created by God. God is NOT breathing life into every woman's womb to bring forth a baby... babies are conceived by NATURAL MEANS... seriously... what you are saying is suggesting God is in the baby warehouse of heaven handing babies out to crack-whores who will let them be abused or killed by sicko partners or aborted <and worse> because they are not wanted and on an on.... NO HE ISN'T... rather he is watching mankind... perform all kinds of wretched deeds he specifically said NOT TO because it was not good for us personally, or for mankind as a whole.
Are you completely IGNORING the effort I made to show you the distinction between SPIRIT and SOUL or merely by mistake???
God BREATHED into ADAM and EVE O-N-L-Y. Meaning ONCE @ creation. He made them living SOUL and SPIRIT, after original sin THEY DIED SPIRITUALLY... but lived as souls BY GRACE. Everyone born of adam and eve is SPIRITUALLY DEAD... their soul is a product of the NATURAL MAN... the natural law of procreation created by God. God is NOT breathing life into every woman's womb to bring forth a baby... babies are conceived by NATURAL MEANS... seriously... what you are saying is suggesting God is in the baby warehouse of heaven handing babies out to crack-whores who will let them be abused or killed by sicko partners or aborted <and worse> because they are not wanted and on an on.... NO HE ISN'T... rather he is watching mankind... perform all kinds of wretched deeds he specifically said NOT TO because it was not good for us personally, or for mankind as a whole.
Ok, Barly that's a little dramatic, even for you..
.. and I never even suggested such a horrible thing so you're obviously reading more into my post than is actually there. God knows every baby before it's even born, it says that in the bible. "I knew you before you were born." Paraphrased here, but that's pretty much what it says. So considering that God knows us BEFORE we are born, AND has a plan for each of us, is it really so hard to believe that he does indeed give us life? This is jmo, so I'm sure you and others will disagree and you have that option.
.. and I never even suggested such a horrible thing so you're obviously reading more into my post than is actually there. God knows every baby before it's even born, it says that in the bible. "I knew you before you were born." Paraphrased here, but that's pretty much what it says. So considering that God knows us BEFORE we are born, AND has a plan for each of us, is it really so hard to believe that he does indeed give us life? This is jmo, so I'm sure you and others will disagree and you have that option.
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Ok, Barly that's a little dramatic, even for you.... and I never even suggested such a horrible thing so you're obviously reading more into my post than is actually there. God knows every baby before it's even born, it says that in the bible. "I knew you before you were born." Paraphrased here, but that's pretty much what it says. So considering that God knows us BEFORE we are born, AND has a plan for each of us, is it really so hard to believe that he does indeed give us life? This is jmo, so I'm sure you and others will disagree and you have that option.
.. and I never even suggested such a horrible thing so you're obviously reading more into my post than is actually there. God knows every baby before it's even born, it says that in the bible. "I knew you before you were born." Paraphrased here, but that's pretty much what it says. So considering that God knows us BEFORE we are born, AND has a plan for each of us, is it really so hard to believe that he does indeed give us life? This is jmo, so I'm sure you and others will disagree and you have that option.
Back to Jeremiah... he is having a conversation with God and God is AFFIRMING he has chosen Jeremiah for this appointed time... the passage is more about the AFFIRMING pre-determination God has for Jeremiah and Jeremiah's decision to ACCEPT God's PLAN vs. the assertion that you are making to suggest God "knits" each person in the womb specifically... no God is responsible for the natural LAWS of CREATION which INCLUDE Procreation. God is the author... mankind is the OPERATOR.
So it does appear we are not in agreement, however I have made an effort to stay on point... to try to SHOW YOU what I have been commenting about. Seems you are more focused on the "drama" than the distinction between Spirit and Soul.
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I believe you are confusing the mosaic law with God's law. Look at what our brother Paul says, "Through the law I died to the law that I might live to God." Consider Hebrews chapter 10, the law was satisfied in Christ. We are in the dispensation of grace. Not the unmerited favor as some might say and believe, but true grace, God's divine influence upon our hearts and how it reflects in our daily life. If you are in Christ the blood that covers you says it all. God does not look past the blood, neither should we. God bless you indeed!
An infant cannot be "condemned" because of Adam's sin.
Similarly man in his fallen condition cannot be said to be "condemned" because of Adam's sin, although he is given mortality.
As some have pointed out, you are using the word "condemned" incorrectly.
Only the guilty can be condemned!
So, an infant faces the consequences of Adam's sin.
Also, man in his fallen condition, faces the consequences of the sin of Adam.
Spiritual death and mortality(physical) are the consequences of Adam's sin.
Faith in Jesus makes us spiritually alive, because we receive the Spirit of God within us.
Jesus has corrected this problem.
However, everyone (including believers) will face death of the body.
We have not been given immortality on earth, but have been promised the resurrection of our bodies.
Similarly man in his fallen condition cannot be said to be "condemned" because of Adam's sin, although he is given mortality.
As some have pointed out, you are using the word "condemned" incorrectly.
Only the guilty can be condemned!
So, an infant faces the consequences of Adam's sin.
Also, man in his fallen condition, faces the consequences of the sin of Adam.
Spiritual death and mortality(physical) are the consequences of Adam's sin.
Faith in Jesus makes us spiritually alive, because we receive the Spirit of God within us.
Jesus has corrected this problem.
However, everyone (including believers) will face death of the body.
We have not been given immortality on earth, but have been promised the resurrection of our bodies.
Being born with a selfish human (bent-to-self) nature is a condition for which man is not guilty and hence will not be condemned.
No, death isn't condemnation.
All those innocent people who died in 9/11 weren't condemned. Living in a corrupted world, they suffered the effects/consequences of someone else's sin.
Yes, guilt results in condemnation.
The people between Adam and Moses weren't guilty(of Adam's sin), and hence not condemned.
Yet they faced the consequence of Adam's sin.
We cannot complain to God about why he made us face the consequences, because "none is righteous." All of us have sinned, and would be no better than Adam.