Is the Devil bound right now...?
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1 Peter 5.8 does NOT refer to Satan.
We have already been over this one-hit-wonder verse numerous times.
You need to re-adjust your incorrect JW worldview...
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No disrespect meant, but the verse can't be referring to Peter Pan or the Big Bad Wolf...which is what it seems to me is trying to be implied (i.e. a fairy tale).
Originally Posted by DiscipleDave
unlike what you believe to be True, what i teach is backed up by Scriptures, and since you have asked me to reveal them to you, i will, The question is going to be though, will you believe the Scriptures and change what you believe, or will you continue to keep your belief, even though it contradicts Scriptures?
The first Scripture that comes to mind right off the bat is this one:
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Rev_20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev_11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Has at ANY time in the past has ALL THE KINGDOMS of this world belong to Jesus Christ. Has at ANY time in the past Jesus was KING over ALL NATIONS in the entire Word? The answer is NO, this is yet to be fulfilled, and the Major Prophets will shed light on this as well, proof that Jesus Christ reigns ON EARTH over ALL kingdoms of the Earth. Stay tuned.
Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Notice, Scriptures do not teach that we (Saints) shall reign with Him FOREVER, but is a very specific time frame that we reign with Him.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: (Fulfilled) and the government shall be upon his shoulder: (Not yet fulfilled) and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. (Not fulfilled)
Isa 9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, (Not Fulfilled yet) upon the throne of David, (Not fulfilled, Jesus does not yet sit on the Throne of David) and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. (Not Fulfilled) The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this. (He has not yet performed this)
People (humans) will serve, worship, and obey Jesus during His reign on Earth:
Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
Dan 7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
All people, nations, have not served Jesus Christ, YET, but they will when He returns.
Psa 72:17 His name shall endure for ever: his name shall be continued as long as the sun: and men shall be blessed in him: all nations (human nations) shall call Him (Jesus) blessed.
All Nations shall call Jesus Blessed. This has not yet happened., But will.
Mic 4:1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, (ON EARTH) and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
Mic 4:2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
Mic 4:3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. (This is when He is called the Prince of Peace)
Dan 2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, (of the world) and it shall stand for ever.
Again yet more prophesies about God setting up a Kingdom on EARTH, that all other kingdoms will worship and serve.
When Jesus does first set up His Kingdom on Earth, the nations rise up against Him in the first, and He utterly destroys all them who comes against Him. Read the entire Chapter of Zec 14. Jesus sets up His Kingdom over Jerusalem, the Holy City of God sits down upon a split mountain.
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
When Jesus reigns on the Earth, after He destroys all people who came against the Holy City of the Lord, He will cause all people in the World to come to the Holy City, and those who do not come, their land will get no rain, because Jesus controls the weather on the planet, during His reign.
Psa 72:2 He shall judge thy people with righteousness, and thy poor with judgment. (Remember Jesus when He came in the flesh said He did not come to judge at that time, so this is yet to come)
Psa 72:3 The mountains shall bring peace to the people, and the little hills, by righteousness. (The Mountains which the Lord set up His kingdom on Earth, read above)
Psa 72:4 He shall judge the poor of the people, he shall save the children of the needy, and shall break in pieces the oppressor. (Jesus while in the flesh, did not do these things, but He will when He reigns on Earth as King of all Nations of the World)
Psa 72:5 They shall fear thee as long as the sun and moon endure, throughout all generations.
Psa 72:6 He shall come down like rain upon the mown grass: as showers that water the earth.
Psa 72:7 In his days shall the righteous flourish; and abundance of peace so long as the moon endureth.
Psa 72:8 He shall have dominion also from sea to sea, and from the river unto the ends of the earth. (This has not yet been fulfilled, Jesus does not have dominion, YET.)
Psa 72:9 They that dwell in the wilderness shall bow before him; and his enemies shall lick the dust. (Not been fulfilled yet)
Psa 72:10 The kings of Tarshish and of the isles shall bring presents: the kings of Sheba and Seba shall offer gifts.
Psa 72:11 Yea, ALL KINGS shall fall down before Him: ALL NATIONS shall serve Him. (This has not ever been fulfilled. ALL KINGS have NOT fell down before Jesus, ALL Nations HAVE NOT served Jesus, but they will, when He comes the second time.
Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Has the Lord been KING over all the Earth at any time in the past? The answer is NO, but He will be when He returns to reign on the Earth with His Saints, over the people of the Earth.
Dan 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, (Saints reign with Jesus) whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him. (not yet fulfilled)
Isa 60:11 Therefore thy gates shall be open continually; they shall not be shut day nor night; that men may bring unto thee the forces of the Gentiles, and that their kings may be brought.
Isa 60:12 For the nation and kingdom that will not serve thee shall perish; yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted. (Not yet fulfilled, but will be, Nations that do not serve Jesus when He comes, will be utterly destroyed)
All of Isa chapter 60 is a description of the reign of Christ on Earth, out of the New City Jerusalem.
Isaiah Chapter two talks about God's Government out from the Holy City Jerusalem.
Eze 48:35 It was round about eighteen thousand measures: and the name of the city from that day shall be, The LORD is there. (reference to the New City Jerusalem)
Heb 11:10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
Heb 13:14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.
This city, the New City Jerusalem, comes down out of Heaven, with Jesus. When Jesus returns, He will be coming with the City that He has prepared for the Saints, When He comes, He will rapture the Church and we will meet Him in the air, and then after that we will go to live in the Holy City in one of the thousands of mansions there, and we will forever be with Him, and we, the Saints, will rule over the Earth with Jesus, out of the New City Jerusalem.
There are many, many more verses that i could list, but time has caught up with me. The Question is will you not change your belief to match with Scriptures, or will you now have a need to try to make void, or interpret away, all these Scriptures which teach that Jesus reigns on the Earth, and all kings, and nations serve and worship Him. How will you explain all those verses away, so you can continue to hold on to what YOU THINK is the Truth?
Jesus is coming to the Earth, and Jesus and the Saints will rule all the inhabitants of the Earth during that time. This is not my opinion, this is not my interpretations, this is what God specifically told me in a conversation. So you can go ahead and kid your own self, by thinking you disagree with me and what i personally believe, but it is not i that you disagree with, but with God who told me these things. And these things are NOT contrary to Scriptures, but are contrary to what YOU THINK is the Truth, is that not right?
i have told you the Truth, i have revealed to you what God has told me, what you do with it, is on your hands, my hands are clean, because i have not failed to tell you the Truth concerning this matter. Believe the Scriptures, NOT what men teach. i wish that would sink into the minds of this generation.
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i know not what theory you are referring to. You made a comment that Jesus does not set up His Kingdom on Earth, to this is what i responded to above, ALL of these verses are FACTS, and prove without any interpretation needed, that Jesus Christ does come to to the Earth and start His Kingdom ON EARTH. Whatever theory you are talking about, i know not, i am not learned, i only believe the Word of God and what it teaches.
Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Have we Saints reigned on the Earth with Jesus Christ? No, but we will reign with Him, on the Earth, exactly like the Word of God plainly teaches, no interpretation needed.
Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Has Jesus ever in the past been KING over all the EARTH? The answer is NO. But He will be.
Don't have a clue to what theory you are talking about. i do not believe in theories, i believe what God has told me. And i believe what the Word of God plainly teaches as well.
What view are you talking about?
Do you even hear yourself? All that you say above, sounds like someone who has entirely way to much learning. Try talking English that others may be able to understand you. i thank God that Jesus Christ and all the Disciple talked plainly in lamens terms that all could understand them. Now your last comment of "an earthly reign of Christ is some future time. This is not theory but is Scriptural FACT, For Scriptures if you would take the time to read them above, all teach that Jesus will be on the Earth, and all nations of the Earth will come against Him, and then they will bow down to Him. Do you not understand the prophesies at all? Which have indeed been before the Church Age even began.
You teach things contrary to Scriptures, if you say that Jesus will not reign on Earth, as the Scriptures plainly teach He will. But to tell you the Truth, does it surprise me that this generation ignored, or makes void the Scriptures? Not at all, i know what generation i live in. You would have been wise, to merely believe the Word of God, instead of believing in your own intellect.
lol, Scriptures does teach that Jesus Christ will reign on Earth in the future. Did you not read any of the Scriptures above? Not one verse?
Huh? All i know is the Word of God and what it teaches, this premillenialism, and litney, and all those other big words you like to use, i do not know what they are, or even what they mean. But this i do KNOW, and it is what God has told me also, that Jesus Christ will in the Future, reign on the Earth, that is the Truth, and is from God. If you do not believe it, then you do not believe God, nor what the Scriptures teach. You claim to be wise, and are not, if you do not believe the Scriptures.
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i have told you the Truth, and have testified that this Truth is from God Himself. If you don't believe me, then you do not believe God who told me these things.
Jesus is coming to get His Church.
When He appears, few people will be taken up with Him
Jesus will be coming with the New City Jerusalem
The Holy City will rest over where Jerusalem is now.
All the world will call it the Mother Ship, and try to attack it.
Every single soul, man and beast that goes against the Holy City (UFO) will miserably die.
Jesus will then be King of all Kings of the Earth.
i have told you the Truth, that which was revealed to me, what is it to me, if you do not believe God? my hands are clean, i have not failed to tell you the Truth. So what is it to me, if you still cling to your own doctrines, which does not line up with Scriptures?
Jesus is coming to get His Church.
When He appears, few people will be taken up with Him
Jesus will be coming with the New City Jerusalem
The Holy City will rest over where Jerusalem is now.
All the world will call it the Mother Ship, and try to attack it.
Every single soul, man and beast that goes against the Holy City (UFO) will miserably die.
Jesus will then be King of all Kings of the Earth.
i have told you the Truth, that which was revealed to me, what is it to me, if you do not believe God? my hands are clean, i have not failed to tell you the Truth. So what is it to me, if you still cling to your own doctrines, which does not line up with Scriptures?
I wholeheartedly believe the scriptures. I do not believe the fairytales of men and their interpretations of scripture. You say it is of scripture, yet I did not see any evidence that scripture means as you state. All I read is the principles of the man made theory called dispensational premillennialism.
I can assure you God did not give you whatever you stated. It first would be a denial of scripture itself as well as the scripture says that individual man will NEVER receive revelation for private interpretation. The scriptures were written from the original Oral teachings of the Apostles.
There has never been such a presentation of what scripture means that even resembles the theory of premillennialism that the Church has ever believed from Pentecost to the present day.
I have already pointed out that some early Church Fathers, all who lived in what is now Asia Minor, were influenced by the Gnostics and Zorastroism which was a prominent cult of that day. The root of premillennialism is pagen, not Christian. The particular form called Chiliasm was not even remotely similar to the modern day mythological treatise. In fact, even after 200 years it is still evolving. The reason for that is the contradictions the view actually has with scripture which many have already been pointed out in this thread.
This cannot possibly be the 1000 year reign as Jesus is not reigning on earth as of yet with those that are to reign with Him.
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The big, bold, and underlined is what your Catholic church teaches, but is not what scripture says !!!
The Word of God says prophecy is of no private interpretation (2 Peter 1:20), because the Holy Spirit that resides in all believers will reveal the same thing to each one of us.
Private interpreting comes from listening to other men and not testing it by the Holy Spirit and the Word of God to see if it aligns but instead take it as truth. For the scriptures from God say the Holy Spirit will lead all believers in His truth and knowledge when we ask in prayer.
So says a sola scripturists. Why do you think that within the sola scriptura milieu one has thousands of interpretations all of individual men who all claim it is of the Holy Spirit. Your spirit is very confused and even after 2000 years has yet to arrive at a unified Gospel that is unified as He is with the Father. so says scripture.
Nice rationalization to make it teneable to live and follow such a chaoic, confused, divided spirit.
If this is what you actually believe then you should not speak out against anything, since every man's view is wholly authentically of the Holy Spirit. This includes all the cults who used scripture to develop their own teachings. There should not be a thread about the falsity of any of the Roman Catholic teachings since all of what you call false were derived from scripture, and by the Holy Spirit.
The reality of your view is that whatever man says scripture means that is what it means. Comes right back to the infallibility of man. Opinion becomes gospel Truth for one man and what one man believes has no relevancy to any other man. Sounds more like the doctrine according to Satan to me. Divide and conquer, a house divided cannot stand.
On the other hand, since He has not revealed to all of you the same thing, obviously your view cannot be correct.
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1 Peter 5.8
νηψατε γρηγορησατε ο αντιδικος υμων διαβολος ως λεων ωρυομενος περιπατει ζητων καταπιειν
nēpsate grēgorēsate ho antidikos hymōn diabolos hōs leōn ōryomenos peripatei zētōn tina katapiein
Be sober-minded, watch, the adversary devil of you walks about as a roaring lion seeking whom to devour;
This passage does not refer to ‘The Devil’ himself, as ‘diabolos’ is anarthrous (i.e. it lacks a preceding Greek definite article).
Further, ‘ho antidikos’ (the adversary) is used in only one other NT passage, Mat 5.25, and is in the context of being thrown into prison.
You are from the Devil as the father, and the lusts of your father you desire to do. - Jesus.
BOWMAN, you are subtracting from the word of GOD, when you say it does not refer to Satan.
1 Peter 5:8-9 (NKJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil {diabolos}
New American Standard Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible.walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world.
James 4:7 (NKJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil {diabolos} and he will flee from you.
Revelation 12:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil {diabolos} and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.
Revelation 22:19 (NET)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy,
God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city that
are described in this book.
Romans 16:25-27 (ESV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Now to him who is able to strengthen you according to my gospel and
the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery
that was kept secret for long ages
[SUP]26 [/SUP] but has now been disclosed and through the prophetic writings
has been made known to all nations, according to the command of
the eternal God, to bring about the obedience of faith—
[SUP]27 [/SUP] to the only wise God be glory forevermore through Jesus Christ! Amen.
1 Cor 15.20 - 26
But now Christ has been raised from the dead; He became the firstfruit of those having fallen asleep.For since death is through man, also through a Man is a resurrection of the dead; for as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ, the firstfruit; afterward those of Christ at His coming.Then the end, after He delivers the kingdom to The God and Father, afterHe might render entirely idle (katargēsē) all rule and all authority and power.For it is right for Him to reign until He puts all the hostile ones under His feet;the last hostile thing made to cease is death.
The reader is informed of an ordered sequence of events:
· The First Resurrection: Christ first, then The Righteous at His return (i.e. at the end of His reign)
· Binding of Satan: The Devil (singular) is rendered entirely idle and occurs BEFORE the reign of Christ (i.e. at Jesus’ death upon the Cross)
· Reigning Period: There is a period of Christ reigning (i.e. 1,000 years, etc) until all the enemies (plural, demons) are conquered
· The Second Resurrection: (Second Death – when Satan & death are defeated). This is the end of time – which occurs AFTER Jesus has delivered up the kingdom and AFTER Jesus had first bound Satan.
may we ask again please
Question: how come there's no written record of "LUCIFER"
IN THE OLD TESTAMENT?
AND WHY CHRIST JESUS TOLD DIFFERENT FORM OF EVIL
IN THIS SCRIPTURE
Luke: 11. 18. And if Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand? because you say, that through Beelzebub I cast out devils.
19. Now if I cast out devils by Beelzebub; by whom do your children cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges.
~:»BY JUST OBSERVING IT
WE CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SATAN AND BEELZEBUB
:smoke: by the way
this is one of ours bible version
Col 2 13:15 SBLGNT
καὶ ὑμᾶς νεκροὺς ὄντας ⸀ἐν τοῖς παραπτώμασιν καὶ τῇ ἀκροβυστίᾳ τῆς σαρκὸς ὑμῶν, συνεζωοποίησεν ὑμᾶς σὺν αὐτῷ· χαρισάμενος ἡμῖν πάντα τὰ παραπτώματα,ξαλείψας τὸ καθʼ ἡμῶν χειρόγραφον τοῖς δόγμασιν ὃ ἦν ὑπεναντίον ἡμῖν, καὶ αὐτὸ ἦρκεν ἐκ τοῦ μέσου προσηλώσας αὐτὸ τῷ σταυρῷ·
πεκδυσάμενος τὰς ἀρχὰς καὶ τὰς ἐξουσίας ἐδειγμάτισεν ἐν παρρησίᾳ, θριαμβεύσας αὐτοὺς ἐν αὐτῷ.
And this is the translation of this verses
From Orth JBC version
Colossians 2:13
And you -- being dead in your pesha'im (Yeshayah 53:8) and your orlat basar (uncircumcision of flesh)-- he made alive together, you together with Moshiach, having granted you selicha (forgiveness) for all your pesha'im;
14 having erased the hand-signed certificate of guilt-indebtedness (choiv, debt), the heavenly indictment against us in the maleh chukat haTorah (full statute requirement of the Torah), which was against us. Moshiach has done away with this opposing record, having nailed it to the aitz.
15 Having disarmed the rulers and the authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, having triumphed over them by Moshiach's aitz [Devarim 21:23; 27:26].
If someone would like to answer this questions
:happy: Everyone is welcome :smoke:
GODBLESS US ALL
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Question: how come there's no written record of "LUCIFER"
IN THE OLD TESTAMENT?
AND WHY CHRIST JESUS TOLD DIFFERENT FORM OF EVIL
IN THIS SCRIPTURE
Luke: 11. 18. And if Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand? because you say, that through Beelzebub I cast out devils.
19. Now if I cast out devils by Beelzebub; by whom do your children cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges.
~:»BY JUST OBSERVING IT
WE CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SATAN AND BEELZEBUB
:smoke: by the way
this is one of ours bible version
Col 2 13:15 SBLGNT
καὶ ὑμᾶς νεκροὺς ὄντας ⸀ἐν τοῖς παραπτώμασιν καὶ τῇ ἀκροβυστίᾳ τῆς σαρκὸς ὑμῶν, συνεζωοποίησεν ὑμᾶς σὺν αὐτῷ· χαρισάμενος ἡμῖν πάντα τὰ παραπτώματα,ξαλείψας τὸ καθʼ ἡμῶν χειρόγραφον τοῖς δόγμασιν ὃ ἦν ὑπεναντίον ἡμῖν, καὶ αὐτὸ ἦρκεν ἐκ τοῦ μέσου προσηλώσας αὐτὸ τῷ σταυρῷ·
πεκδυσάμενος τὰς ἀρχὰς καὶ τὰς ἐξουσίας ἐδειγμάτισεν ἐν παρρησίᾳ, θριαμβεύσας αὐτοὺς ἐν αὐτῷ.
And this is the translation of this verses
From Orth JBC version
Colossians 2:13
And you -- being dead in your pesha'im (Yeshayah 53:8) and your orlat basar (uncircumcision of flesh)-- he made alive together, you together with Moshiach, having granted you selicha (forgiveness) for all your pesha'im;
14 having erased the hand-signed certificate of guilt-indebtedness (choiv, debt), the heavenly indictment against us in the maleh chukat haTorah (full statute requirement of the Torah), which was against us. Moshiach has done away with this opposing record, having nailed it to the aitz.
15 Having disarmed the rulers and the authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, having triumphed over them by Moshiach's aitz [Devarim 21:23; 27:26].
If someone would like to answer this questions
:happy: Everyone is welcome :smoke:
GODBLESS US ALL
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According to Strong's
Beelzeboúl (translaterated from OT 1176/BaʽalZ[SUP]e[/SUP]būb, "the lord of flies" or "fly-god," cf. 2 Ki 1:2) – Beelzebul, a title of Satan which stresses he is the prince over demons ("demonic flies").
33Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven,
which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
36Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples
came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
37He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom;
but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil;[ the harvest is the end of the world];
and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire;
so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom
all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;