How can God justify the ungodly and still maintain His integrity to His law?

[senzi]

Well if christ is the END of the law unto righteousness paul must have believed a law of righteousness had previously been in place
However, I see no point in continuing this discussion. It seems to me you are unwilling to accept plainly written truth and are determined to cling to your own ideas. So I will leave it there
God bless

 

[onlinebuddy]

Well if christ is the END of the law unto righteousness paul must have believed a law of righteousness had previously been in place
However, I see no point in continuing this discussion. It seems to me you are unwilling to accept plainly written truth and are determined to cling to your own ideas. So I will leave it there
God bless

I'm sorry that you wish to discontinue.
We will be in error if we :
=>coin various terminology in order to explain Bible truths.
=>do not understand the context
=> take figurative language literally
As I said earlier, everything in the Bible is for us, but not about us.

 

[Roberth]

.... I see no point in continuing this discussion. It seems to me you are unwilling to accept plainly written truth and are determined to cling to your own ideas.

Exactly...that's how I see it.

 

[Roberth]

....the law, which is obsolete; a shadow; a guardian; a schoolmaster.....

The law is not been done away with. Your old life was made obsolete, not the law. God's law is the foundation of his government.

Matt 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Has heaven & earth disappeared? No! Then the law remains.

Which law?

Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.”

 

[senzi]

Amen,the law remains, but for the born again christian they have a saviour from their sin.
I tried to like your post, but am having trouble registering likes on my phone for some reason

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Christ and his apostles are the foundation of GOD's government, not the law of Moses, which was the foundation of Israel's government.

Consequently, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but you are fellow citizens of the saints and members of the household of God, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, Ephesians 2:19-20​

The law is not been done away with. Your old life was made obsolete, not the law. God's law is the foundation of his government.

Matt 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Has heaven & earth disappeared? No! Then the law remains.

Which law?

Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.”

 

[Roberth]

Christ and his apostles are the foundation of GOD's government, not the law of Moses, which was the foundation of Israel's government.

The moral law is not the law of Moses. I gave you a clear verse, but you chose to ignore it and in its place you inserted your own preconceived idea. Who should I follow, you are the Bible?

I ask this because the Bible and you are at odds.

Matt 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.....

When will everything be accomplished? When this world and the heavens are burned up. Hence the law will be used in the judgment, not of believers, but unbelievers.

2 Peter 3:10 The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.

 

[onlinebuddy]

The law is not been done away with. Your old life was made obsolete, not the law. God's law is the foundation of his government.

Matt 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Has heaven & earth disappeared? No! Then the law remains.

Which law?

Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.”

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.[Romans 10:4]
Roberth,
You say that the law remains.
Which law then did Christ end? or
"Christ is the end of "which law (according to this verse)?

 

[senzi]

The law comes in two parts. The law itself and the penalty attached for breaking it.

Paul states:

Christ is the end of the law UNTO righteousness for everyone who believeth rom 10:4
Therefore christ is not the end of the law full stop, but unto righteousness. Therefore the law God requires you to keep remains, but the penalty for breaking it is removed from the born again christian for they have a saviour from their sin(breakinfg the law)
If you are not righteous in Gods sight by observing tbe law you cannot be made unrighteous in his sight by your imperfections concerning the law, such a thibg is not possible

 

[Roberth]

4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.[Romans 10:4]
Roberth,
You say that the law remains.
Which law then did Christ end? or
"Christ is the end of "which law (according to this verse)?

He didn't end any law. Christ is the fulfillment of the law....You have been delivered from under it because you are a wretched sinner. To remain under law means your demise. By accepting Christ you have been delivered from under law, but for those still under law (because they have not accepted Christ) the law will curse them with eternal damnation if they remain outside Christ.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The moral law is not the law of Moses. I gave you a clear verse, but you chose to ignore it and in its place you inserted your own preconceived idea. Who should I follow, you are the Bible?

I ask this because the Bible and you are at odds.

Matt 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.....

No such thing as moral law in scripture. That idea comes from the Talmud. GOD's law is spiritual; it is one and indivisible.

Christ didn't come to destroy the law, but he did come to make it obsolete.

For [Christ] is our peace, who has made both [Jew and gentile] one, destroying the middle wall of the barrier, the enmity, in his flesh; having abolished the law of commandments contained in ordinances; that of the two he should make in himself one new man, so making peace. Ephesians 2:14-15

abolish
G2673 καταργέω katargeo
1. to make entirely idle

GREEK-ENGLISH LEXICON of the NEW TESTAMENT BASED ON SEMANTIC DOMAINS
76.26 καταργέωc: to render ineffective the power or force of something—‘to invalidate, to abolish, to cause not to function.’ τὸν νόμον τῶν ἐντολῶν ἐν δόγμασιν καταργήσας ‘to abolish the Law of commandments consisting of regulations’ Eph 2:15;​

Gentiles have never been under the law of Moses (unless they converted). Why are you so zealous to be under that law? Click > http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...gentiles-have-never-been-under-law-moses.html

 

[Roberth]

"For Christ is the fulfillment[a] of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes." [Wold English Bible translation]

 

[Roberth]

Christ didn't come to destroy the law, but he did come to make it obsolete.

Then its of no use....You just contradicted yourself, massively!

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Then its of no use....You just contradicted yourself, massively!

The law is profitable for instruction and edification. That is all.

 

[senzi]

This is the covenant I will make with them after that time declares the lord
I WILL WRITE MY LAWS IN THEIR MINDS AND PLACE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS
Then he adds
Their sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more
Heb 10:16&17

 

[Roberth]

For [Christ] is our peace, who has made both [Jew and gentile] one, destroying the middle wall of the barrier, the enmity, in his flesh; having abolished the law of commandments contained in ordinances; that of the two he should make in himself one new man, so making peace. Ephesians 2:14-15 l

"The law of commandments contained in ordinances" is not the moral law written on stone. I don't not exactly what it is, but again it's not the moral law. If it were the moral law, then Christ had no business telling the woman caught in adultery to leave her life of sin (adultery, the 7th commandment)!

If Christ abolished the moral law, the woman caught in adultery would have replied, "you did away with thel law so I can commit adultery at my leisure. Go bug someone else."

 

[Roberth]

The law is profitable for instruction and edification. That is all.

The law points out sin and drives you to Christ.

 

[Roberth]

The law is profitable for instruction and edification. That is all.

No, you said it's obsolete.... Therefore it's of no use. Hence there's no definition of sin and therefore I am not a sinner. If I'm not a sinner than I don't need Christ.

See where your bad theology takes you?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The law points out sin and drives you to Christ.

Which is instruction and edification. The holy spirit is the one that leads a person to Christ, not the law. The law demands; the spirit leads.

 

[Roberth]

Which is instruction and edification. The holy spirit is the one that leads a person to Christ, not the law. The law demands; the spirit leads.

And do you think the Spirit is going to lead you to be in harmony with the law, or out of harmony with it? Is the Spirit going to prompt you to commit adultery, fornication, theft, murder, etc? No!