Is the Devil bound right now...?

[DiscipleDave]

DiscipleDave,

j present the evidence that scripture has always taught and always meant as you state. So far, all you have are modern man's versions all coming within the last 200 years.
I have been doing just that which is why I don't follow Miller, Darby, Scofield et el.
I see historical facts and a preserved Revelation from the beginning that has never had such a teaching. Give me some factual evidence that the premillennial idea has always been believed.
So present the evidence. All you have presented is man made theory where the modern version is only 200 years old and Miller's has been dreatically changed, Hardly scripture. I Pet 1:20 states clearly that no additional revelation will be given to individuals for private interpretation. Jude 3 states very clearly that Revelation was given ONCE. It was given in the beginning and has been preserved unchanged since and at no time has the Church, the Body of Christ ever held such a view as millennialism.
So why do you think you were given this theory of premillennialism? Seems you are violating scripture and actually think that the Holy Spirit is giving you new revelation for your private interpretation. Sola scripturist have been doing this for 500 years and we now have so many versions of what the Bible means that they are becoming innumberable.
Your statement applies to you. I am not presenting new ideas and theories that some man has devised. Show me some evidence that premillennialism is actually of the Holy Spirit and was given in the beginning to the Apostles and has always been believed and taught in the Church.
So far, not one has been able to do. Might be because there is on evidence. It is exactly what it is, man made theory that was devised by Miller and has been evolving over the last 200 years. Hardly the Gospel once given and preserved.
I have presented these several times already. However a single context, Peter's sermon at Pentecost puts and earthly reign of Christ in the wastebasket.
My scripture states that Paul is speaking to believers who are alive. Thus when they die, they shall reign with Christ.
again, just your interpretation but no facts again. There is neither an earthly reign of Christ nor is the such a thing as a rapture as described in the premillennial/dispensational theory.
You keep giving these man made tenets of a theory, well known to be developed by certain men and actually still being developed. where is the evidence, outside of your opinion.
I don't need to explain it away. It is describing eternity for the believer. There is not earthly reign of Christ here. This earth has already passed away at this point, the resurrection has been completed, the judgement is complete and Christ presented His Church spotless and blameless to the Father.
You should take your own advice and throw those man made theories into the wastebasket.

So you went with misdirection.

Let us take one thing at a time ok? First answer me this qeustion:

Name me one verse in all of Scriptures that contradict even one thing i have said, can you do That?

Let us first establish that what i am teaching is contrary to Scriptures, OK? Then we can can continue on. i do not care if what i am teaching is contrary to what you believe, i only care that what i am teaching contradicts Scriptures or not. So before we continue, you have made accusations against me, i just want to know what i have said that is contrary to Scriptures, please show what i have said, and then show the Scriptures. Can you do that, or will you use yet again misdirection.

Misdirection is a form of deception in which the attention of an audience is focused on one thing in order to distract its attention from another. Managing the audience's attention is the aim of all theater, it is the foremost requirement of theatrical magic.

So let us focus on one thing at a time. If i am FAKE, if i am false, if you think i teach contrary to Scriptures, then SHOW IT. Reveal anything that i have said that is contrary to Scriptures, and show the Scriptures too. Focus. Remain on target, don't use misdirection to sidestep the question. Then we can continue on in our conversation. But first let us establish that i am teaching things contrary to Scriptures as you accuse me of. Show me what i have said, and the Scriptures that contradict it.

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[popeye]

I looked up the verses, not sure how it applies. Could you explain that for me?



I believe Satan is out, working in his ways to ruin men's lives so that they cannot be used of Christ. Whether it is through man or not he is still at work.



Why can't he be active? I never said he was without restraint. Of course, Satan does have limitations but that does not mean that he is not trying. I think the verse I gave in I Peter is sufficient enough to show that he is working. Again, whether that is through man or not.



In order to be bound, he must first be loose, right? Satan will be bound for 1,000 years but then be loosed again. At least that is my understanding.



I hope I don't seem to be close minded or lashing back at you, that is not my intent. If what you have to say is true I have no problem discussing it with you and debating what each of use believe. I don't pretend to know it all, and if what you have to say is true I would love to discuss it with you and learn.

If you want a good laugh ask him to "interpret"the flying locusts,the mark taken in the GT,the AC, and the hailstones of fire in revelation.
His scripture pretzel machine will entertain for hours.

 

[valiant]

I looked up the verses, not sure how it applies. Could you explain that for me?

If I by the Spirit of God cast out demons (evil spirits) then is the kingly rule (portrayed power) of God come upon you. Or how can one enter into the house of the strong man and spoil his goods except he first bind the strong man. And then he will spoil his house.

Jesus was speaking of His unique power to cast out evil spirits in large numbers. By doing so He had entered the strong man's house. And the fact that He could cast them out revealed that He had restrained the strong man, or to use His own term, bound him (otherwise He could not have cast out the evil spirits). This demonstrated that He was acting under the kingly power of God. Only the kingly power of God could bind the strong man as He had done.

The coming of Jesus and the commencement of His ministry meant that after He had defeated Satan in the desert He had brought him under restriction. Satan was unable to prevent the activity of Jesus and His Apostles because he was 'bound'. It was because of this binding that the Gospel was able to spread abroad. Paul speaks of this restraint by God and His restraining angel in 2 Thess 2. John spoke of his release from this restraint in Rev 9.11.

I believe Satan is out, working in his ways to ruin men's lives so that they cannot be used of Christ. Whether it is through man or not he is still at work.

True, but only under God's restraint. Satan is limited in what he can do because he is 'bound' (to use Jesus' words). Satan is the mightiest of all created beings. If he was not bound the Gospel could never have progressed. Christians could never have survived.

Why can't he be active? I never said he was without restraint.

He is active. But as one who is powerfully restrained. He has however trillions of minions under his control through whom to carry out his dirty work, and this includes deluded men. They wreak havoc. But nothing like the havoc that could have been wrought if Satan had not been bound.

Of course, Satan does have limitations but that does not mean that he is not trying. I think the verse I gave in I Peter is sufficient enough to show that he is working. Again, whether that is through man or not.

But he is a spiritual being of immense power, and so are his mighty henchmen. If they were left to do their will mankind would not stand a chance and the Gospel would fail. But God has limited them by binding Satan and his chief henchmen (Matt 12.28-29; Col 2.15) so that the message of the Gospel could triumph. God has however allowed him limited means of influencing mankind in the form of his lesser minions and deluded men.

In order to be bound, he must first be loose, right? Satan will be bound for 1,000 years but then be loosed again. At least that is my understanding.

In my view the loosing of Satan in Rev 20.3 is the same loosing as in Rev 9.11. Rev 20 is a new vision recapitulating what has gone before.

I hope I don't seem to be close minded or lashing back at you, that is not my intent. If what you have to say is true I have no problem discussing it with you and debating what each of use believe. I don't pretend to know it all, and if what you have to say is true I would love to discuss it with you and learn.

We are here to put forward our views and discuss. I expect you to argue what you believe., and I will argue what I believe. The important thing is to let the Holy Spirit guide us to the truth (but that often takes a long time, From the time when I became uneasy with premillennialism to my finally being willing to give it up was about ten years. I had to be released from all my preconceived notions and the bad teaching I had received). .

 

[ritelec]

Wow. Thank you for those explanations Amazing.

I'm reading through my little iphone

Lots of what was stated I remember reading over the past several months. Looking forward to opening the bible on a large computer screen and open the bible for reference when I get home. Thanks so much

Just must mention.

It's not my way but gods way.
Alittle disheartening that when the end comes it will still be another 1000 plus years till the end comes. ( I think?? )!

Thanks !!

 

[Ahwatukee]

Good day DiscipleDave,

REVELATION 8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

According to this verse something happens to 1/3 of the day and an equal amount of time happens to the night as well. What if, this is a description of the Earth spinning faster? True enough if we were to lose 4 hours during the day and 4 hours during the night, we would indeed lose 1/3 of the day and also 1/3 of the night as well.

Here is the scripture in question:

"The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night."

According to your post, you are inferring that the earth is sped up due to being hit by those objects, whether comet or asteroid and therefore is affecting the length of hours for both day and night. But the scripture does not support this . The first part of scripture demonstrates that it is the light from sun, moon and stars themselves that is being darkened by a third. The second part of the verse "A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night" is a little bit confusing, which would appear to be speaking about the length of time for both night and day being shortened by a third. But as I said earlier, it is the first part of the scripture that gives us the answer to what is going to take place.

At this fourth trumpet God is going to strike the sun, moon and stars so that they will be darkened by a third, which means that the earth will only be receiving 2/3's of its normal light during both night and day and therefore has nothing to do with the earth speeding up and affecting the number of hours during the day and night. Therefore, it is a decrease in the amount of light coming from the sun, moon and stars that will be affected and not the shortening of hours for day and night.

 

[Cassian]

DiscipleDave,

Name me one verse in all of Scriptures that contradict even one thing i have said, can you do That?

I gave it to you in the last post. Look back.

Let us first establish that what i am teaching is contrary to Scriptures, OK?

We have established that a long time ago. You have yet to give any evidence that what you state has always been the meaning of scripture.

i do not care if what i am teaching is contrary to what you believe, i only care that what i am teaching contradicts Scriptures or not.

I believe what scripture has always taught and has been believed without change by the Church from the beginning. As stated, we have long ago established that your teaching is unscriptural. You keep giving the man made tenets of this theory but no evidence that it has always been believed as scriptural.

So let us focus on one thing at a time. If i am FAKE, if i am false, if you think i teach contrary to Scriptures, then SHOW IT.

I know it is false. It has been false for 2000 years already. The ancient, elementary version was declared heretical. I already have established it as false. History has established it as false. Acts 2:15-34 is in my Bible and I cited it in my last post. Maybe your biblical understanding is deficient so if you need me to explain Peter's sermon let me know.
So, present facts, not your opinion. Man has developed hundreds of theories from the Bible, always claiming it is what scripture states, yet they all end up in the dump.

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by valiant

I have searched the Scriptures with the help of the Holy Spirit for 65 years and I have never yet found a single verse that said the Jesus Christ would reign on earth from an earthly Mount Zion. I have found many that say that He NOW reigns from Heaven over the whole earth.

Not one verse, really?

Rev_5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

well we ARE reigning on the earth as kings and priests right NOW - Eph 2.5-6.

Are the Saints reigning on the Earth right now?

Yes if they are walking in the Spirit with Christ the King.

Are Christians reigning on the Earth right now?

Yes if they are at one with Christ the reigning king. It is because we are reigning on earth that we are going out to establish God's Kingly Rule.

Seriously you have not found one verse in Scriptures that teach that Jesus will reign on the Earth?

Seriously. and you are clearly finding it difficult to find one lol

What is God to do with this generation? He will utterly destroy it.

Not the whole generation. Millions who are now reigning with Him will be gathered up to Him. The remainder will be destroyed as evidence of His reign. They are rebels against the king.

Please explain Revelations Chapter 21 if you would be so kind. For the entire Chapter talks about the Father and Jesus coming down in the New City Jerusalem to the EARTH to reign HERE. So explain to me verse by verse Revelations Chapter 21. Thanks.

I see nothing about EARTH as we know it. That will be destroyed by fire at the coming of Christ (2 Pet 3). It refers to 'the new earth' where there is no flesh and blood (flesh and blood shall not inherit the kingly rule of God). It is a spiritual heavenly earth (see Hebrews 11.10-14) with a heavenly Mount Zion (Hebr 12.20-22) and where God as Spirit lives among His people who have been raised from the dead in spiritual bodies. There will be nothing of this earth about it.

And seriously you think Jesus Christ is reigning Here on Earth NOW?

I certainly believe He is reigning OVER the earth right now (Acts 2.30, 36; Rev 20.4-5). Who is in control of history? Who is opening the seven seals? CHRIST THE KING.

Who is at present ruler over the kings of the earth? JESUS IS (Rev 1.5). Who is at present appointing earth's rulers? GOD IS (Rom 13.1-6).

Scriptures teach that satan is the god of this world, yet you say Jesus Christ is reigning from Heaven right now?

Yes he is the one whom the unbelieving world (unknowingly) treat as god. But that is because they are in rebellion against the KING Who is reigning from Heaven right now. Why do we pray? BECAUSE GOD REIGNS.

seriously that is what you believe?

Its also what the Bible teaches. Satan has blinded you to the truth.

So who is reigning on the Earth right now, satan, which Scriptures testifies he is the god of this world or Jesus.

Scripture nowhere states that Satan is ruling over this earth. He is 'the god' of unbelievers by their choice. They are rebels against the KING.

Have you not read any descriptions of the prophets concerning His reign on Earth.

LOL I have written commentaries on all the prophets They say nothing of a millennial kingdom on earth. They see GOD as reigning on earth. His reign on earth is NOW. As the Psalmists constantly repeat YHWH REIGNS.

One of many that come to my mind instantly is Isaiah 65:17-25 None of which describes the Earth in the past, but all of which is yet to come to the Earth.

yes as he says he is speaking of the NEW EARTH which God will create when this one is destroyed by fire, which the NT makes clear is a spiritual, heavenly earth.

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. When God destroys this Earth with Fire and creates a New Atmosphere and a New Earth is when the New City Jerusalem comes down out of Heaven, read Rev 21:1-2

LOL you are just reading in what you want to. The new earth will be noting to do with this earth. You Americans are too fleshly minded to see spiritual truth. You are tied to the flesh.

Isa 65:18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
Isa 65:19 And I

(Jesus Christ) will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be NO MORE heard in her, nor the voice of crying. Is there weeping in Jerusalem? Is there crying in Jerusalem? If there is, then this prophesy has not yet been fulfilled has it?

Actually there is no weeping in the true Jerusalem who is the mother of us all (Gal 4.20 ff; Heb 12.20-22). In God's eyes Jerusalem has been raised from earth to Heaven (Heb 12.20-22). But this of course has in mind the end of this age when all of us will be rejoicing in the new Jerusalem in the heavenlies.

As long as their is weeping in Jerusalem and crying in Jerusalem, this prophesy will NOT be fulfilled. This prophesy from Isaiah will be fulfilled when there is NO MORE weeping and crying in Jerusalem, and this has NOT YET been fulfilled. But it will be, when the New Heaven and New Earth is created for us.

Do you think the saints in Heaven in the new Jerusalem are crying? You have a funny idea of Heaven. And when we join them we will no longer cry. The TRUE Jerusalem is in Heaven.

Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed. (Oh how can you explain this prophesy? This talks about a time when a person dies at a hundred they are but a kid. This verse also talks about sinners being here with them, so then according to this verse, Age limits will be restored to the way they were prior to the flood, Tell me, has this verse happened already, or is it yet to come?)

you talk such load of rubbish that it is unbelievable. Before the flood men had children when they were 65 (Gen 5.15, 21). So were they little kids? LOL They were according to you. Are you really suggesting that all sinners will be cursed AND DIE AS KIDS (a hundred years old)? How sad. That gives the game away. Can't you see what its really saying? Its saying that no one will die before their time. The old man will fulfil his days. No child will die under 100 (when of course he will no longer be a child). Old men will live on. Children will not die. Only sinners will die under a hundred. (In other words believers will not die at all). It is a portrayal of everlasting life.

Listen to me, Jesus is coming back to reign on the Earth, exactly like the Scriptures teach,

Listen to me. The Scripture teaches that Jesus Christ is reigning in Heaven and is coming back to destroy the earth and take up His people so as to transform them into spiritual bodies so that they can inhabit a new spiritual earth. You have shown nothing that says otherwise.

the prophets taught this,

where did they? I note your lack of citations

the Disciples taught that,

lol where did they? You are inventing it otherwise you would have cited the Scripture.

Jesus taught that,

Absolute nonsense.

leave it to this wicked and perverted generation to Change the Truth into a lie. Calling their lies the TRUTH.

you are doing a good job of it.

There are many, many prophesies concerning the reign of Christ on the Earth. Woe to those who do not believe or understand the prophesies.

LOL and you still have not cited ONE.

Again, i challenge anyone at all to point out one verse that teaches Jesus does NOT reign on the Earth?

As it has stated that He will reign over the earth from Heaven, and is the ruler of the kings of the earth, why should it deny something that it has already denied?

If what you believe contradicts even one verse in Scriptures, then what you believe is WRONG.

OK so Jesus is ruler over the kings of the earth NOW (Rev 1.5), So what you believe is WRONG

The belief that Jesus does not come back and reign on the Earth contradicts many, and i say MANY Scriptures, old an new

Talk, talk, talk, boast, boast, boast. That's all you do. But the Scriptures are notably sparse on the ground. YOU HAVE NONE. Show me one Scripture that says that the Messiah will rule on an earthly throne in Jerusalem, JUST ONE. And until you can SHUT UP.

i have plainly said, and tell you the Truth, that what i teach is from God, what He has told me, You do not reject me when you disagree, you reject God who told me these things.

LOL do I take it that greater than Jesus is here? Here is Disciple Dave the greatest prophet of them all. You are simply a liar and a blasphemer. As I have said before, your claims are SATANIC.

 

[Bowman]

Is the Devil bound right now? No, according to the Bible he is not.

I Peter 5:8 - "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:"

That cliché verse has already been shown to be referring to demons NOT 'The Devil', himself.

Satan is alive and active in today's world, and will not be bound until God binds him for 1,000 years.

Revelation 20:3 - And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

So he eventually will be bound, however even after the 1,000 years of him being bound he will be out again for a time..

Satan was bound at The Cross.

We are in the '1k year reign' right now...

 

[Bowman]

This part confuses me.

20:4 in and around.

Will the devil be locked up 1000 yrs to come from the time of revelation. Then loosed for a little season ? Then thrown into the lake of fire.

Or are we and he in that little season now. Then when it hits the fan that's THE END ?

I'm thinking we are in pre 1000 years. But not sure. And if so then there would be a second comeing, then 1000 plus little season. Then a 3rd coming then THE END ?

The symbolism is very clear.

According to Revelation, Satan is....bound for '1,000 years'...and then let loose for '1 hour'....!

For the literalist's out there....How many 1hr periods are in 1,000 years?!!!

And yet....you literalists think Satan is not bound today?!!

I think that we have a new Guinness World record for the longest 1 hour period ever!


Rotflol!

 

[Bowman]

i am sorry, i posted the wrong article. instead of posting another lengthy article, i will just put a link to it, again sorry about that. The Meaning of Life. this article told to me by God, is what happened in Heaven, with Lucifer, why humans were made, and what is going to happen with Lucifer in the end, and why Lucifer is tying to get as many souls as he can to come and attack God and the Holy City when they are released.

^i^

Your material and links are pure garbage, david.

 

[DiscipleDave]

DiscipleDave said

REVELATION 8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

According to this verse something happens to 1/3 of the day and an equal amount of time happens to the night as well. What if, this is a description of the Earth spinning faster? True enough if we were to lose 4 hours during the day and 4 hours during the night, we would indeed lose 1/3 of the day and also 1/3 of the night as well.

Good day DiscipleDave,

And to you as well, brother.

Here is the scripture in question:

"The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night."

According to your post, you are inferring that the earth is sped up due to being hit by those objects, whether comet or asteroid and therefore is affecting the length of hours for both day and night.

This is not what i am inferring, this is what is going to happen.

But the scripture does not support this .

It does support it. Most of revelations is metaphorical, correct? Which leaves room for theories of what it is metaphorically talking about. What i have said above can indeed metaphorically be correct, which i know is correct.

The first part of scripture demonstrates that it is the light from sun, moon and stars themselves that is being darkened by a third.

That is correct.

The second part of the verse "A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night" is a little bit confusing, which would appear to be speaking about the length of time for both night and day being shortened by a third.

Not confusing at all, whatever happens to the day, happens an equal amount of TIME to the night. 1/3 of the day is Gone, and also the same length of TIME is gone for the night as well.

But as I said earlier, it is the first part of the scripture that gives us the answer to what is going to take place.

Both parts are as equally important, not one part above another. Both parts gives us the answer to what is going to take place.

At this fourth trumpet God is going to strike the sun, moon and stars

You are reading the verse as literal, are you not? You believe God is going to strike 1/3 of the Sun. How would that not cause an explosion that destroys the Earth? If 1/3 of the Moon was gone, then it would shatter and not be a moon at all, not to mention probably fly off in space. And how are 1/3 of the stars struck? Does 1/3 of all the stars we see explode? The verse is NOT literal, it is metaphorical, you are taking it literal, which it is not. So then the Sun, Moon, and Stars being struck is not a physical attack, it is metaphorical

so that they will be darkened by a third, which means that the earth will only be receiving 2/3's of its normal light

That is not what it says, even literal. You are talking about the whole 12 hour day only being dim by 1/3 of the current light in a day. The Scriptures plainly says "and the day shone not for a third part of it, " that is teaching NO LIGHT, not a dimming of the light during the day. 1/3 of the day is GONE. And it goes on to reveal that what is happening to the day is also equally happening to the night as well. What then, the night is brighter by a third? How does the night lose its darkness by a third? NO, 1/3 of the day is Gone, and 1/3 of the night is Gone as well. This event is not a moment in a day, this event happens to the entire Earth, in as much the day and the night are affected equally.

during both night and day and therefore has nothing to do with the earth speeding up and affecting the number of hours during the day and night. Therefore, it is a decrease in the amount of light coming from the sun, moon and stars that will be affected and not the shortening of hours for day and night.

That is according to your literal interpretation of those verses, yes? You say there is a decrease in the amount of light, but the Scriptures teach for 1/3 of the day there is NONE. And 1/3 of the night there is NONE. So then according to Scriptures the other 2/3rd of the day is normal lighting, NOT affected. If 1/3 of the Sun did not shine during that day, then the other 2/3 of the day DID SHINE like the Sun. The verses are quite clear that only 1/3 of the day and 1/3 of the night are effected. You are saying that the whole day is affected because the Suns light is only 2/3 strong. That is the whole day being affected by the dim light, and not what the Scriptures reveal. Not to mention how do you explain the night, 1/3 of it is affected.

Let us assume for one moment, that what God told me is True. That the Earth will speed up faster, which scientists of today says is very possible. And even Scriptures indicates will happen.

Isa 13:13 Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

Isa 24:19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.
Isa 24:20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.
Isa 24:21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

Here is a verse for you to figure out.

Amo 8:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord GOD, that I will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in the clear day:

Tell me, How is it possible for the Sun to go down at noon? The Sun is not what moves. The Sun doesn't actually go down in the sky. There is only one way the Sun can go down at noon, and that is for the Earth to speed its rotation. Rotation of the Earth is what causes a Day and what causes a Night. If the Sun goes down at noon, that means the Earth has to speed up its rotation. This is yet another verse that confirms what God has told me concerning the last days and the Tribulation Period.

The Earth is going to speed its rotation up, so much that 1/3 of the day is Gone, and also 1/3 of the night is Gone as well. and you will see the Sun going down at Noon, because of this sped up rotation exactly like Scriptures reveal will happen. This sped up rotation is also what facilitates the layer of water being filled up near where our ozone layer is now, enabling all things to live extremely long lives again, like prior to the flood, which was a result of the Earth slowing down its rotation and that layer of water rained down for 40 days and 40 nights. The Earth will one day speed up again, to replace the water in that layer, even as Saturn has a layer of water around it, how-be-it, it is frozen and not in liquid form like ours will be.

The description of the fourth Trumpet sounding can fit into what i have said perfectly, because if 1/3 of the day is Gone, and 1/3 of the night is Gone too, how is that not considered smitten?

If you still do not believe the Earth is going to speed up then by all means, please explain to me how the Sun can go down at NOON? Is God going to move the Sun, or move the Earth, so the Sun sets at noon?

^i^ responding to post # 1465

 

[ritelec]

The symbolism is very clear.

okay, maybe it is………….still working on it though

.and then let loose for '1 hour'....!

where is a little season = 1 hour ??

Thank you………..

off to research asteroids and shift of earth…….

and all the rest of the great stuff in this post.

 

[Ahwatukee]

DiscipleDave,

You are not understanding. The sun, moon and the stars being darkened by a third is the reason for a third of the light missing from both the day and the night on the earth. It has nothing to do with objects hitting the earth and speeding up its rotation. The earth will continue to spin at the same speed it always has. The purpose of this plague is to darken the sun, moon and stars so that there will be one third less light for the day time and the night time. There is nothing in the scripture that would support a speeding up of the rotation of the earth. Here is the scripture again:

"The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night"

Think of it like this: If I have a light in my room and I paint a third of it black, then only two thirds of the light that the room would normally get is going to be emitted. That is exactly what is going to happen at the fourth trumpet. By the sun, moon and stars being darkened by a third, you are then losing a third of the light during the day and night, that is, it's going to be dimmer by a third. Your interpretation is focused on events happening to the earth, but the scripture demonstrates that it is the sun, moon and stars that the event happens to and the result is a third less light for the earth. By adding all of this other stuff in from the other plagues, you are reading into the scripture what is not there.

Furthermore, as can be seen from both Daniel and Revelation, everything is calculated in two 3 1/2 year periods in 30 day increments, 1260 days, forty-two months, a time, times and a half a time. If the earth was sped up, Daniel's last seven years, would no longer be seven years and that because according to you, we would no longer have 24 hour days. The darkening of the sun, moon and stars satisfies why the earth will be missing a third of the light both day and night and therefore there is no reason to add in all these other scenarios to take place on the earth. The scripture just doesn't have any of those scenarios in it, just the darkening of the sun, moon and stars by a third.

 

[ukok102nak]

2 Timothy: 3. 7. Ever learning, and never attaining to the knowledge of the truth.
*we remember the time when someone ask ``WHERE IS GOD BEFOR HE CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH`` AND SOMEONE SAYS FROM HIS/HER ANCESTORS UNTIL THEIR GENERATION NO ONE READS THAT THERE IS A WRITTENSCRIPTURES THAT TELLS WHERE WE CAN FIND GOD
BEFORE HE CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH AND
YOU CANNOT PROVED IT EVEN IN THE SCRIPTURES :rofl:
Then he says ``WHAT IF WE CAN READ THE VERSES THAT TELLS WHERE IS GOD BEFORE HE CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH?
Will you admit that your a liar
and your trying to deceived all this people here :haha:

:hmm: What will be the outcome :think:

 

[DiscipleDave]

well we ARE reigning on the earth as kings and priests right NOW - Eph 2.5-6.

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Has Jesus raised us up yet? Has the Rapture happened? Have we sat in Heavenly places? Are you a King? Are you a Priest? Who do you reign over right now? Who answers to you? These things have not happened yet, but they will.

Yes if they are walking in the Spirit with Christ the King.
Yes if they are at one with Christ the reigning king. It is because we are reigning on earth that we are going out to establish God's Kingly Rule.

Do you even know what the word reigning means? Look it up, then tell me if you think you are currently reigning on Earth. If Jesus were currently reigning on Earth, i assure you satan would not be running things. You do error.

Seriously. and you are clearly finding it difficult to find one lol

Yes, i can't find one verse that teaches or even implies that Jesus will NOT reign on the Earth.

Not the whole generation. Millions who are now reigning with Him will be gathered up to Him. The remainder will be destroyed as evidence of His reign. They are rebels against the king.

i thought you said He was reigning right now? Why is His evidence of His reign now revealed now? aaaahhhhh because He is not reigning right now. Reread what you just said, which is True, When He comes back to the Earth and gathers the saints, that is when His reign will start on the Earth, and that is when the evidence of that reign will be revealed. You say the remainder will be destroyed as evidence of His reign, this is True, so tell me, where is NOW the evidence of His reign? You claim that He is reigning NOW, why no evidence of that, why, even as you testify, that evidence is revealed when He comes and destroys the remainder? explain?

DiscipleDave asks

Please explain Revelations Chapter 21 if you would be so kind. For the entire Chapter talks about the Father and Jesus coming down in the New City Jerusalem to the EARTH to reign HERE. So explain to me verse by verse Revelations Chapter 21. Thanks.

I see nothing about EARTH as we know it.

That is because God is going to destroy this Earth, (7 year Tribulation Period) and create a New Earth, one that Jesus will reign over. Why would Jesus come and reign over satans world. God will destroy this world and all of its kingdoms, and He will create a New World, one like unto the Garden of Eden, this is the World Jesus and His Few Saints will reign over.

That will be destroyed by fire at the coming of Christ (2 Pet 3). It refers to 'the new earth' where there is no flesh and blood (flesh and blood shall not inherit the kingly rule of God).

Oh my, are you so lacking understanding of the Scriptures, that you do not understanding that flesh and blood will not enter into the Kingdom of HEAVEN, there will be flesh and blood upon the Earth even within the Kingly Rule of God on Earth. Read Isaiah 65:17-25 which is a a description of the Kingly Rule of God on Earth, where people of the Earth are having offspring, that is to say they are having sexual relationships, they are humans, and it even mentions sinners being present during that time. Explain Isaiah 65:17-25 please, would like to know what YOUR interpretation is concerning those verses.

Do you even notice how you ADD to the Scriptures. This is what Scriptures teach.

1Co_15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. (A reference to Heaven)

valiant says "the new earth' where there is no flesh and blood (flesh and blood shall not inherit the kingly rule of God)"

Notice how you have ADDED Kingly Rule of God, this has altogether changed the place which Scriptures speak of, to the Rule of Jesus Christ. Kingdom of God is a PLACE, Kingly Rule of God, is NOT a place but Authority. You have altogether changed Scriptures to fit your own belief about the KINGLY RULE of God. Took a verse that was talking about a PLACE and fit it into your own belief about the Kingly Rule of God, do you not see that you have done this thing?

It is a spiritual heavenly earth (see Hebrews 11.10-14) with a heavenly Mount Zion (Hebr 12.20-22) and where God as Spirit lives among His people who have been raised from the dead in spiritual bodies. There will be nothing of this earth about it.

Who has told you it is a Spiritual Heavenly Earth? Scriptures does not teach you that, then who has been telling you these things?

I certainly believe He is reigning OVER the earth right now (Acts 2.30, 36; Rev 20.4-5). Who is in control of history? Who is opening the seven seals? CHRIST THE KING.

Are you saying whoever controls History is who is reigning today? Are you saying that whoever opens the seven seals is the one who is reigning on Earth Today? Seriously?. Jesus Christ right this minute is reigning in HEAVEN, NOT on Earth. He is preparing a place for us in HEAVEN, He is in HEAVEN on our behalf. Jesus Christ is not reigning as KING of Kings right now. The Kings of today are evil and wicked. Jesus is NOT the King over them. True, all things happens because God allows or approves them to happen. When Jesus comes to the Earth and He Truly reigns, as King of Kings on the Earth. All Kings will bow down to Him. Do Kings today bow down to Jesus? NO, because Jesus is NOT their King, as this wicked generation teaches. When Jesus returns to the Earth to reign with His Saints, then all the Kingdoms of the Earth will worship Him, and bow down to Him, because then and ONLY then will He be King of Kings of the Earth.

Who is at present ruler over the kings of the earth? JESUS IS (Rev 1.5). Who is at present appointing earth's rulers? GOD IS (Rom 13.1-6).

Again your joking right, please tell me you are joking. You actually believe Jesus Christ, the Son of God is the Ruler of all these wicked evil Kings of this Earth? You actually believe that? What kind of Ruler would allow wicked and evil people to continue to Rule in His Name? Are you telling me that a King here on Earth that does not believe in God at all has Jesus Christ as their Ruler? You do error and know not the Truth. Jesus puts people in Authority, that is True, but that does not mean He is their Ruler. Jesus Christ gave Lucifer Authority to be God of the World, does that mean Jesus is His Ruler? If so then how is Jesus not responsible for all the wickedness of Lucifer, being that Jesus gave Lucifer that authority? You do error and do not understand, just because Jesus puts wicked people and entities into authority, that means He is their Ruler. Jesus Christ will also allow the anti-christ to have the authority to do what is written concerning him, does that mean Jesus is the Ruler of the antichrist? Just because Jesus allowed him to be the anti-christ. Could not God prevent the anti-christ from ever being born? Sure he can, but then how is Scriptures to be fulfilled? Just because Jesus puts wicked people in slots of King and the such, does NOT mean He is reigning over them, that He is their RULER, you do error not knowing or understanding the Truth of Scriptures.

DiscipleDave said

Scriptures teach that satan is the god of this world, yet you say Jesus Christ is reigning from Heaven right now?

Yes he is the one whom the unbelieving world (unknowingly) treat as god. But that is because they are in rebellion against the KING Who is reigning from Heaven right now. Why do we pray? BECAUSE GOD REIGNS.
Its also what the Bible teaches. Satan has blinded you to the truth.

lol, the Bible teaches that satan is the god of this WORLD, you teach that he is not the god of this world, you teach he is the god of the unsaved, the unbelieving, altogether changing the Scripture to fit your own belief. Scriptures teach that satan is the god of this world, it does not teach he is the god of the unbelieving, the unsaved, it plainly teaches he is the god of this WORLD, God has given satan dominion of this world, satan reigns on this planet right now, but when Jesus comes and reigns on the Earth, satan will lose that dominion, it will no longer be his kingdom, but the Kingdom of God will come to the Earth.

2Ti_4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

Can you not see and understand that His Kingdom He brings with Him, when He comes back?

Rev_16:10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,

Whose Kingdom? Not Jesus. Jesus Christ's Kingdom is NOT here yet, it is coming with Him when He returns, this is satans kingdom, he is the god of this world, look around, who does not knowingly and willingly obey satan and commit sins?

Even the Prophet Daniel foretold of the coming Kingdom to Earth.

Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever. (Has this Kingdom break in pieces and consumed all other Kingdoms yet? NO, but when the God of Heaven does set up His Kingdom ON EARTH, out of the New City Jerusalem, that is when Jesus will break to pieces all other opposing kingdoms and consume them. But this has not yet happened, what is wrong with this generation that they refuse to believe simple Truths that even children can understand?
Dan 2:45 For as much as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure. (has Jesus break in pieces all other Kingdoms? No, but He will when He Returns.)

Scripture nowhere states that Satan is ruling over this earth. He is 'the god' of unbelievers by their choice. They are rebels against the KING.

Should i believe you that teach satan is the god of unbelievers, or should i believe the Inspired by God Scriptures that plainly teach satan is the god of this world, not just the unbelievers like you teach. i choose the Word of God over the words of people.

LOL I have written commentaries on all the prophets They say nothing of a millennial kingdom on earth. They see GOD as reigning on earth. His reign on earth is NOW. As the Psalmists constantly repeat YHWH REIGNS.

So then you agree that God will reign on Earth as the prophets plainly teach, that is Good that you believe them. The problem then is your belief that He is reigning NOW, that is what is false, that is what is untrue. But let us not make any mistake, Jesus Christ is reigning in my life right NOW, He reigns. This does not mean He is reigning over the whole Earth, NOW, that is false teaching, false doctrine. Jesus Christ reigns in my heart, that does not mean He reigns over the whole world. He will reign over the whole world, where Scriptures teach that ALL NATIONS will bow down to Him and serve Him, this has never happened in the past, ever, EVER. NEVER. When Jesus reigns on the Earth when He returns with the place He is preparing for us, that is when ALL NATIONS will bow down to Him, and ALL Nations will serve Him.

yes as he says he is speaking of the NEW EARTH which God will create when this one is destroyed by fire, which the NT makes clear is a spiritual, heavenly earth.

explain to me HOW it is clear it is a Spiritual, Heavenly Earth. You say it is clear, yet give no Scriptures to prove how clear it is. What Scriptures clearly reveal to you that it is a Spiritual, Heavenly Earth. i have read the entire Bible over 90 times in my life, and not once have a read a verse speaking about the New Earth, was it even remotely hinted that it was a Spiritual, Heavenly Earth, so please share the Scriptures that make it Clear to you that it is.

Know you not that it is written the Earth abideth forever.

Psa_78:69 And he built his sanctuary like high palaces, like the earth which he hath established for ever.

Psa_104:5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.

Ecc_1:4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

So you speak of a Spiritual, Heavenly New Earth, yet Scriptures teach the Earth abideth forever, and the foundations of the Earth will remain forever. True God will destroy the Earth as we know it, but that is only topical, cosmetic. The Earth is NOT going to be Destroyed, only the Earth as we know it today. For example a vast forest is home to many creature who live in that forest, that is their Earth, but if loggers come in and destroy that Forest, to the creatures their Earth was destroyed, and now is a vast waste land, but it is the same Earth underfoot. Likewise God is going to destroy this Earth, hills will melt, oceans will disappear, mountains will become valleys, valleys will become mountains, dry will become wet, and wet lands will become barren. God is going to destroy the Earth as we know it, but the same Earth underfoot will be the same, the foundations will not be removed from the Earth.

You talk of a New Earth, that is a Spiritual, Heavenly, Earth. When will you listen? When will you understand? pray for a teachable spirit. The things i tell you, they are Scriptural, why do you fight so hard against Scriptures?
DiscipleDave said

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. When God destroys this Earth with Fire and creates a New Atmosphere and a New Earth is when the New City Jerusalem comes down out of Heaven, read Rev 21:1-2

LOL you are just reading in what you want to. The new earth will be noting to do with this earth. You Americans are too fleshly minded to see spiritual truth. You are tied to the flesh.

And now you have made it about prejudism. This actually reveals a lot about you. So now you are attacking Americans, you have lumped all Americans as being too fleshly minded to see Spiritual Truths, and tied to the flesh. And you say that to me, who has mortified all the deeds of my flesh, i have given up smoking, pornography, and even sex (celibate now over 8 years) because those things are tied to flesh, i do not obey any sinful desire of my flesh, yet you claim i am tied to the flesh, do you know what the word hypocrite means? Do you condemn Americans for being tied to the flesh, when you are tied to the flesh?

DiscipleDave said

Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed. (Oh how can you explain this prophesy? This talks about a time when a person dies at a hundred they are but a kid. This verse also talks about sinners being here with them, so then according to this verse, Age limits will be restored to the way they were prior to the flood, Tell me, has this verse happened already, or is it yet to come?)

continued

 

[DiscipleDave]

Continued:

you talk such load of rubbish that it is unbelievable. Before the flood men had children when they were 65 (Gen 5.15, 21). So were they little kids? LOL

Am i talking rubbish, it is the Prophet Isaiah who said this, Do you think what he says is rubbish as well? Are you saying that children can't have children? In China there was an 8 year old girl who got pregnant and carried the child full term. So are you saying that children CAN'T have children?

They were according to you. Are you really suggesting that all sinners will be cursed AND DIE AS KIDS (a hundred years old)? How sad.

You claim that Americans can't learn Spiritual Truths because they are tied to the flesh, then you go and say what you say here, Do you not even read what i am saying, or do you just gloss over it, and make your own assumptions about what i am saying? Where have i suggested that all sinners will die as kids? i have never said that or even suggested that, that is what YOU THINK i am saying because of your own assumptions. Now i can see why Scriptures are not revealed to you, because you do not read them, you do a lot of assuming things, via your own intellect, which confounds the Truth of Scriptures. How about merely reading Scriptures and believing what they say?

That gives the game away. Can't you see what its really saying?

Yes i see what it is really saying, what it says is what it means, but tell us what you say that verse means, which before i even read what you are going to say, i assure you it will be a different meaning than what it clearly says and teaches. So lets hear what Valiant says the verse means. Let us hear Valiant's interpretation of that verse.

Its saying that no one will die before their time. The old man will fulfil his days. No child will die under 100 (when of course he will no longer be a child). Old men will live on. Children will not die. Only sinners will die under a hundred. (In other words believers will not die at all). It is a portrayal of everlasting life.

yep, different than what it actually says. It plainly says a child will die at a hundred years old, that is what it says, that is not my interpretation of that verse, that is what it plainly teaches. You do not agree, therefore you have to interpret that verse to mean something different than what it actually says, therefore you say it means {That no one will die before their time, that no child will die under a hundred} of coarse it does not say or teach none of that but that is what you interpret that verse to mean, And you are missing my point of the verse entirely. This is a description of the New Earth under the reign of Christ on the Earth, this verse teaches that God will restore long ages again. Even your interpretation testifies that a CHILD will not die under a 100 years old. So a person who is 99 years old is still considered a child according to that verse, and also your own interpretation of that verse, because you say a child will not die under a hundred years old.

You interpret that verse to mean "children will not die" The verse does not say that at all, the verse very clearly teaches that if a person dies at a hundred years old, they will be considered a child. If they are considered a child and do die, how can you interpret that verse to mean children do not die?

You interpret that verse to mean "Only sinners will die under a hundred" Where is that stuff coming from? The verse says no such thing at all. The only thing it say about sinners is that they will be cursed, now you have added to that verse that sinners will not live past a hundred years old.

You interpret that verse to mean " Believers will not die at all" and the verse says NOTHING about believers living forever.
you interpret that verse to mean "It is a portrayal of everlasting life" Seriously? that is your interpretation of that verse, it talks about DEATH, and sinners being Cursed, and you interpret Everlasting life, NO Death. Oh my, i will pray for you tonight. If you can misinterpret a single verse so badly, it is no wander to me, you are so far from the Truth, that i actually feel sorry for you. Please listen to me, believe the Scriptures, keep your own interpretations out of it. And if your belief contradicts even one verse in Scriptures then change your belief to match Scriptures, Do NOT do as you always have done before and change Scriptures to match your own belief.

Listen to me. The Scripture teaches that Jesus Christ is reigning in Heaven and is coming back to destroy the earth and take up His people so as to transform them into spiritual bodies so that they can inhabit a new spiritual earth. You have shown nothing that says otherwise.

You really do not understand Scriptures do you. The 144,000 are humans that inhabit the New Earth when it is created, these are they that are born after the Rapture, they are sealed by God, that is to say protected from the Tribulation Period, they will make it through the Tribulation Period, these are they that Isaiah 65:17-25 are describing, they will live extremely long lives, if a person dies at the age of hundred, they will be considered as children. These 144,000 will live to be thousand years old, they will build homes and dwell in them for the whole thousand years of their lives. We who are raptured with Jesus Christ will reign over the entire World which starts out with the 144,000 virgins which no not what sin even is. These will have no memory of what the past was actually like, nor will it come to their minds. satan will be bound for that thousand years and will not be able to even tempt them that know no sin. The 144,000 will repopulate the NEW Earth that abideth forever and ever, NOT a Spiritual Earth, but the Earth that is here today will remain for ever. Howbeit the Earth as we know it now, roads, buildings, cities, towns, homes, fields, woods, forests, seas, rivers, oceans, mountains, plains, etc, will ALL be utterly destroyed, and God will create a New Earth, like the Garden of Eden where the lion will lay down with the lambs and eat plants, and the child (human child) will play with asp snakes and not get bitten. A thousand years Jesus will reign ON EARTH over the 144,000 and all of their offspring, and True Christians will reign with Him. This is the Truth, and was told to me by God. i did not come up with this, God told me these things, will you argue with God as well? Tell me, anything i have said if it contradicts even one verse in Scriptures, if you can show something that i have said that is contrary to Scriptures, then you can prove that i am false, teaching false doctrines, you can prove that i am a false teacher and that nobody should listen to me, just one verse that contradicts what i have said, that is all you need to come up with.

If you can't, then would it not behoove you to search the Scriptures, study them, pray to God for guidance and answer to see if the things that i have said are True or not? i plainly tell you what i know and teach comes from God. Does my words sound like the words of devils? More than anything i teach LOVE ONE ANOTHER above all else, and i teach to stop obeying Jesus Christ enemy the devil. Do they sound like words of demons? i have told you the Truth, and have given credit to whom credit belongs and that is to God, i have not taken the credit to myself, saying that i have come up with these things, that from my own intellect i have interpreted the Scriptures to mean these things, No, These things i was told by God in one of many conversations that i have had with God. i don't care what you think about me because i make such claims, it does not change the Truth that He did speak to me, and teach me many things concerning what is to come. If you do not believe the things God told me, even though they do not contradict ANY Scriptures, then that is on you, is it not, what is it to me, if you believe i am lying about God telling me all these things, i know that all liars will burn in the lake of fire and brimstone, if i am lying then let that Scripture be True and i burn for all eternity in fire and brimstone (rev 21:8) But instead of believing me, and searching the Scriptures to see if what i say is actually true or not True, it is far easier to assume that i am crazy, listening to demons and devils, and only THINK i am hearing from God. But i know to whom has been speaking with me, and i have not failed to tell you the Truth concerning this topic, believe what you will, but you will not be able to please ignorance, that you did not know, because i have told you the Truth, and you have rejected it, outright. And i even say it is from God, and you still reject it as the Truth, even though it does not contradict ANY Scriptures. This generation holds on to beliefs that DO contradict Scriptures and still think what they have is the Truth. The Truth is only granted to those who know and understand that ALL SCRIPTURES are inspired by God and profitable for instruction in righteousness. ALL OF THEM, not some of them, All of them are inspired by God. If you hold on to doctrines (beliefs) that contradict even one verse in Scriptures, then you will NEVER come to the Truth, it will elude you, even though you may think you know the Truth.

will try to respond to the rest of Post 1467 at another time, sorry.

^i^

 

[Ahwatukee]

okay, maybe it is………….still working on it though




where is a little season = 1 hour ??

Thank you………..

off to research asteroids and shift of earth…….

and all the rest of the great stuff in this post.

Hello again Ritelec,

The truth of the matter is that, the Scripture does not give an amount of time for that "little time" that Satan is released for, only that the "little time" takes place at the end of the thousand years. Their is absolutely nothing to support that it is 1 hour in length. Its length of time will be for how ever long it takes to deceive Gog and Magog from the four corners of the earth and to have them into march across the breadth of the earth to surround the camp of God's people, the city that he loves, where God will then rain down fire upon them. So, however long that takes.

Take at face value what you are reading, that is, believe the literal sense of what you are reading unless a symbolic interpretation is obvious.

 

[ukok102nak]

2 Timothy: 3. 7. Ever learning, and never attaining to the knowledge of the truth.
*we remember the time when someone ask ``WHERE IS GOD BEFOR HE CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH`` AND SOMEONE SAYS FROM HIS/HER ANCESTORS UNTIL THEIR GENERATION NO ONE READS THAT THERE IS A WRITTENSCRIPTURES THAT TELLS WHERE WE CAN FIND GOD
BEFORE HE CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH AND
YOU CANNOT PROVED IT EVEN IN THE SCRIPTURES :rofl:
Then he says ``WHAT IF WE CAN READ THE VERSES THAT TELLS WHERE IS GOD BEFORE HE CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH?
Will you admit that your a liar
and your trying to deceived all this people here :haha:

:hmm: What will be the outcome :think:

if a simple question like that cannot answered by those self proclaimed teachers of gospels of Christ
Then what understanding can we attain from this she false teachings of those people who try to received many
But not us
Revelation: 2. 24. And to the rest who are at Thyatira: Whosoever have not this doctrine, and who have not known the depths of Satan, as they say, I will not put upon you any other burthen.
:smoke: for some humans will think that the devil was been put into cage or something that it cannot do any evil things just like he did from the past
Then most of them are wrong
FOR AS THEY SAY `` I WILL NOT PUT UPON YOU ANY OTHER BURTHEN. ``

God bless us all always

:scarf: thank you very much :happy:

 

[ukok102nak]

if a simple question like that cannot answered by those self proclaimed teachers of gospels of Christ
Then what understanding can we attain from this she/he false teachings of those people who try to received many by receiving them
But not us
Revelation: 2. 24. And to the rest who are at Thyatira: Whosoever have not this doctrine, and who have not known the depths of Satan, as they say, I will not put upon you any other burthen.
:smoke: for some humans will think that the devil was been put into cage or something that it cannot do any evil things just like he did from the past
Then most of them are wrong
FOR AS THEY SAY `` I WILL NOT PUT UPON YOU ANY OTHER BURTHEN. ``

God bless us all always

:scarf: thank you very much :happy:

and for last time no time indicates that this bounding shall happen as humans precisely think that it was happening now or even it happens in the past
``AS WEVE SAID BEFORE AND WE ASKED SOMETHING LIKE THIS BEFORE
IF ANYONE COULD ONLY REMEMBER IT ABOUT THE GREAT TRIBULATION``

for those people who always jump into some situation but never even try to
Consider the facts that all things that are written in the scriptures comes
Not by our own thoughts but by the process according to the will of
Our lord god the father almighty who is good and doesn't lie and his
Only begotten son our lord god the son Jesus Christ who is our saviour
when the time
Comes for us to behold all this things for it shall fall to all as it is written :smoke:
Matthew: 24. 21. For there shall be then great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, neither shall be.
22. And unless those days had been shortened, no flesh should be saved: but for the sake of the elect those days shall be shortened.

God bless us always

:ty:

 

[VCO]

All you have is rhetoric with no evidence. You make assertions but no evidence to give them validity. What you call pseudo Christians cults and genuine Christians are all from the same mold. Everyone uses scripture, claims it is their sole source of faith and practice, yet this Book has birthed thousands of versions of some kind of Christian theology. It is all humanistic, all created by individual men who use scripture simply as a source book for ideas. To claim that some are better than others is only a matter of personal choice. Usually it means it measures closer to the persons interpretation.

Have I ever thought that I could be wrong. Yes, that happened almost 20 years ago as a Protestant. As an adult discussion leader I was confronted with this litney of relativism and personal interpretation by many in the class. What I wondered was who held that unified Gospel that Christ stated would exist as He is one with the Father. I wondered where was the Church that He founded if it was supposed to exist until the end of time. I went searching for the Truth that He stated will exist until the end. I knew, at the time, I did not have or know it.

It is actually not very difficult to find when one actually does as the Bereans. To make a long story short, that is why I became Orthodox. The Church has existed from the beginning, has never failed, disappeared and has a consistent historical record. From the Revelation side it was also true. What the Church believed in the beginning is still held today by the Orthodox, unchanged. Again, history shows that the Holy Spirit has done precisely what is stated in scripture and will continue to guard and preserve His Church and the Revelation entrusted to it.

What is also becoming, unfortunately true, the RCC has been sliding down the road to modern relativism faster and faster as time goes by. The slide has been far slower than that of Protestantism/sola scripturists but it is still sliding the wrong way.

WE HAVE ALL SHOWED YOU WAY PLENTY OF EVIDENCE. YOU REFUSE OR CANNOT SEE IT.

1 Corinthians 2:14 (NIV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.