I want to understand the Catholic faith so....

[Mec99]

Pope John Paul II should have turned these Priests over to the Police for the crimes they committed against these children.

Instead all he did was worthless!

When will the Catholic Church turn these Priests over to the Law?

I tell you Satan does NOT want these Priests to stand trial. Satan does not want these priests to be punished at all.

Its Satan who rules over and runs the Catholic Church, not God.

 

[fordman]

How difficult it is for us humble people before such great arrogance.

Humble???? You Pop's???? Lol!

Peter, Paul and John, among others.

Examples?

Certainly the firm belief of the church for the first four centuries.

Okay.... lets see some examples where the doctrine of the bible alone was sufficient as a sole rule of faith in the first four centuries? The reason I ask is because the council of Hippo didnt meet until the 390's AD, where they had around 110 books to consider for the NT Canon. But the local councils of Hippo (circa 393AD) and Carthage (397AD) settled on the Canon that we use today. Pope Innocent in the early 400's approved of these decisions. It is here you can thank the Catholic Church Pop's!!
　

An irrelevance.

Of course.... being a believer of Sola Scripture how else can you justify this unbiblical practice, but thank you for another one of your patented non-answers {rolling eyes}

The clear teaching of Jesus Christ, Paul etc

Then lets see it.

Taught by Jesus in Matt 24 and Paul in 1 Thess 4.

So which view do you hold to be true? The Premillennialists? The pre-tribulational ? or the mid-tribulational view? The way I see it, this is a perfect example of Protestant/non-Catholic confusion that has caused the movement to split into bitterly opposed camps.

LOL has no one told you what wine is? LOL

Lol... another one of your patented non-answers. {rolling eyes...again.} Sheesh Pop's!

I'll finish later Pops, right now going to watch the Dallas Cowboys/ N.Y. Giants game.
　

Pax Christi


　
　


　

 

[GaryA]

Its Satan who rules over and runs the Catholic Church, not God.

If only the Catholic people could understand this...

 

[GuessWho]

Well isn't that inspirational that the Catholic Church have to apologize to a multitude of countries for desecrating children. Lovely!
Canada is still waiting.

Yes, in a world where there is massive religious intolerance and religious crimes, what the Catholic Church did is not only inspirational and lovely, but it is an historical event! I never heard a Muslim to apologize for the World Trade Center. And it doesn't appear they will ever do it.

 

[Mec99]

The reason Pope John Paul II did not turn theses Priests over to the Police is Because Pope John Paul II Worships Mary as his God.

Pope John Paul II never accepted Jesus as his Lord and Savior and Pope John Paul II never had the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit. This is why Pope John Paul II will spend Eternity in the Lake of Fire.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Yes, in a world where there is massive religious intolerance and religious crimes, what the Catholic Church did is not only inspirational and lovely, but it is an historical event! I never heard a Muslim to apologize for the World Trade Center. And it doesn't appear they will ever do it.

Sadly, it was 100% commanded in their quran. Killing the unbeliever is a part of their doctrine. You will never hear an apology from the leaders of islam.

 

[Kefa54]

I have learned not to be so self righteous.This sort of thing goes on all over the world.
Not just in the Catholic Church. Hundreds of state youth institutionalized are abused every year. It is a human thing not just Catholics. The Catholic Priests were just caught.

Kefa

The reason Pope John Paul II did not turn theses Priests over to the Police is Because Pope John Paul II Worships Mary as his God.

Pope John Paul II never accepted Jesus as his Lord and Savior and Pope John Paul II never had the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit. This is why Pope John Paul II will spend Eternity in the Lake of Fire.

 

[Kefa54]

I was abused from age 7 to 16. I was just a male body in the wrong place at the wrong time. It wasn't personal. It was just Satan doing his thing in man to try to mess me up.


Kef

 

[bikerchaz]

I am wondering what (you want to find) and why (you want to find it) ?
When I was first converted I went to every church in town trying to find the voice (that's the only way I can describe it) that spoke to my heart. I heard snippets here and there, a word here and a word there that touched me but I didn't hear the clear voice of the Spirit that spoke into my soul. I also heard what people said about this or that religion, one quote was "better a hope with no pope than a pope with no hope" which I took offense to immediately. I found a lot of "We are right and they are wrong and will never get to heaven" but slowly I found a congregation that I could feel comfortable with.
I was bought up in a very strict religious household but was not converted until I was 42 and I found a freedom that I never thought possible. The upshot to this information is; When we stand before Jesus and are called to account, He will not start with "What religion are you?". He will ask if we heard him and if we followed what we heard. His word has not changed and it never will "though heaven and earth pass away, My word will never pass away."
I have come to an understanding, that, no matter what we call ourselves, what we wear, or where we go, that God looks at the motives within us. He knows whether we have obeyed His voice.
I will break bread with anyone who professes to know and have a relationship Jesus Christ because that is the crux for me. knowing Him who created all. Paul said "I count all worthless compared to the relationship I have with Him". A relationship is a two way thing, The Israelite's had the chance in the wilderness to also have this but backed out because they were afraid and insisted Moses do everything for them. But the relationship we all have with the risen Christ is the same that Adam had in the beginning. It does not matter what you do or what I do or anyone else does, what matters in the relationship we have with Him. This is the gospel, the good news, Jesus said to the scribes when they tried to trick him with questions that they were "close to the kingdom of God, so they dare not ask Him any more questions". The Kingdom of God is to live within us through Jesus Christ. If you must look for something look for this.
People are fickle and not easy to change their ways, whether in the church or not. Look and ask by all means but look for the fruits of the Spirit, peace and love, and not to just those around them but to everyone.
I ask Jesus to open your eyes and heart to His voice.
In Jesus name.

 

[epostle]

Yes, it was terrible. The Anglican Church of Canada, the Presbyterian Church and the United Church of Canada are just as guilty. Maybe somebody can find pictures of them associated with the scandal in the same slanderous manner. It's a good chance at least one moderator is a member of ACC or UCC. What would happen to the post?

[h=1]Pope expresses 'sorrow' for abuse at residential schools[/h]"...In a statement, the Vatican said the Pope "offered his sympathy and prayerful solidarity" to those whose anguish was caused by some church members. The comments came during a private audience with the delegation, which included Assembly of First Nations Leader Phil Fontaine, aboriginal elders and residential school survivors...."

 

[fordman]

Actually fordman; I apologize for calling you 'pretty conceded and pompous.'

Thanks for the apology, but it really wasn't necessary, I'm used to all the rude remarks from so-called Christians on this site. To be Catholic on this site is to be thick-skinned.

Felt I was being rude....I should've said something more like; 'don't be conceded and pompous' because you are in our home, ChristianChat. Not the other way around.

Hmmmmm..... When you say "our home", which of the tens of thousands differnt Protestant/non-Catholic sects do you call home?


"from henceforth, "all" generations shall call me Blessed." Luke 1:48.
Do you do as Scriptue says? I do...without hesitation!
　


Pax Christi

 

[epostle]

The reason Pope John Paul II did not turn theses Priests over to the Police is Because Pope John Paul II Worships Mary as his God.

Pope John Paul II never accepted Jesus as his Lord and Savior and Pope John Paul II never had the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit. This is why Pope John Paul II will spend Eternity in the Lake of Fire.

flaming zinger. angry child

 

[Goodness11]

I was abused from age 7 to 16. I was just a male body in the wrong place at the wrong time. It wasn't personal. It was just Satan doing his thing in man to try to mess me up.


Kef

I am so sorry to hear of your pain at someone else's hands; and praise God that you found faith!!! I think that's why I am so passionate speaking as a mother; that children are not only renditions of ourselves but are souls God entrusted to us. The way the Catholic Church handled the discovery of the children being harmed is appalling. For years they would move the 'sinner' to different parishes. They would not contact the police or law enforcement. Multitudes knew and decided to 'handle' it between there ranks. Many States had to put in place laws that forbid Catholic Churches to cover-up these horrendous crimes, as recently as 2009.

I applaud your strength, and you seem to have found peace. I can't imagine the darkness you travelled from to find the light; so I definitely embrace your perspective!! May God give you more blessings than one can imagine!! XooXoo

 

[epostle]

MEETING WITH THE NATIVE PEOPLES OF CANADA​

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ADDRESS OF Pope JP2

they had a meeting??? who knew?!?

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[JesusLives]

I noticed PoetMary never answered my question, but it does not matter.

Tell me JesusLives, do you believe Mary was born without sin? Do you JesusLives believe Mary is our Mediator?

Hi.....I am a Seventh-Day-Adventist so I believe Mary was born a sinner just like I was. Jesus is our Mediator.

NOBODY who teaches Mary was without sin and Mary is our Mediator has the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

Romans 1:16
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

Romans 10:10
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.

Ephesians 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,

2 Peter 1:21
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

We CANNOT speak the Truth without the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit. All those who teach lies do not have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit. The fact that Catholics believe they do not receive Salvation until after they die proves NO Catholics has the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

If what you teach PoetMary and JesusLives is NOT in the Scriptures, then what you are teaching are lies from Satan. Nobody who HAS received Salvation AND the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit will ever teach the opposite of what God says.

I believe Mary and I both have been Saved by Jesus and He is our Savior we just happen to go to church at a different place than you do... Are you saved? Is Jesus your Savior? By the way Mary is a Catholic and I am an SDA.

You must ask yourselves PoetMary and JesusLives, is it worth spending Eternity in the Lake of Fire just to teach what the Catholic Church says? For you are not hurting me by teaching Mary was without sin. You are not hurting me by teaching Mary is our Mediator. You are not hurting me by teaching Mary can hear and answer our prayers.

So just because we go to a different church than you do we get the automatic ticket to hell card? Just checking.


Who you are hurting is yourself! Its you who will pay the price for opposing God and what He says. Its you who will be tossed into the Lake of Fire.

Repent, accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and accept the Salvation He has for you. Reject Mary, reject the lies of the Catholic Church. Receive the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit and join us in entering into Heaven for all Eternity!

I appreciate that you are concerned for my salvation....I also am concerned for yours. But just because we go to different churches doesn't mean you are more saved or I am more saved than someone else who goes to a different church and has repented and given their life to Jesus and accepted His salvation. It just means we go to a different church and we can all be saved because God knows our hearts. We don't know each others motives or what is the relationship between ourselves and God.

Thank you again for your concern.....

I can't speak for Catholics because I am not one. But I can stand with a brother or sister that I feel is getting unfair treatment and try and show them love....Who do you think will get further someone telling them they are going to hell and thank you for telling me that is my destination as it hasn't happened in a while.... But truth be told only God knows where each of our destinations will land us..... Or do you think maybe they would respond better to someone showing them love as Jesus taught us to do?

PS I responded in the body of your post in Red....

 

[atwhatcost]

The only people I bash are the psychotic bigots who preach hate. If there is anyone else, use the quote feature or refrain from false accusations.

Well, since you're new, it would be easy enough to show where you bash. That you qualify it with "psychotic bigots who preach hate," that means you get to pick and choose who fits that bill.

If I get to choose, I'd start with the quote I'm responding to, minus the word "psychotic," since I'm not shrink to be able to define that word. I'd also not use "bigot," just because that's such an overused cliche PC word that has become anything a person wants it to mean. But, yes, you're screaming hate, which, I suspect, is why I doubt you'll last long... at least with this account.

 

[Goodness11]

Yes, it was terrible. The Anglican Church of Canada, the Presbyterian Church and the United Church of Canada are just as guilty. Maybe somebody can find pictures of them associated with the scandal in the same slanderous manner. It's a good chance at least one moderator is a member of ACC or UCC. What would happen to the post?

Pope expresses 'sorrow' for abuse at residential schools

"...In a statement, the Vatican said the Pope "offered his sympathy and prayerful solidarity" to those whose anguish was caused by some church members. The comments came during a private audience with the delegation, which included Assembly of First Nations Leader Phil Fontaine, aboriginal elders and residential school survivors...."

Wow, that took you forever to find that. Did you notice that the Anglican Church, Presbyterian Church and United Church all apologized with written statements like almost twenty years ago. Did you know Catholic Church still has yet to apologize to Canada?

http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news...pologize-for-aboriginal-abuse-tim-harper.html

Or how about in the States they had to put laws in place that forbid the Catholic Church to hide it's 'sinners' and move them to different parishes. That they tried to cover-up everything happening to innocent children. Thousands of claims; and not once did they contact the police or law enforcement. Because you know the Catholic Church is above the law....why should children of God have rights!?!?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases_in_the_United_States

Do you see yet how you've been deceived? What else do they hide? How can you place trust in such a faith?

Jesus would completely abolish this faith!

 

[atwhatcost]

Epostle; you yourself are a fellow Canadian. You obviously know or are related to native people or possibly may be one yourself? So question because you are probably vast on history; nobody in there right mind would call themselves Nazis due to the Holocaust with the murdering of millions. So why knowing these truths of native children maliciously killed due to starvation or neglect; do you call yourself Catholic? You may forgive those people's actions; but the church have never apologized but tried to cover up the brutality and sexual sins. Is this the example of a faith you want to follow?

Some different ways of looking at it:
I'm Calvinist, aka protestant from the more famous protester John Calvin, and also along the lines of the Puritans. (Not into the dress style or the overboard on the legalistic side of that, but I like their teachers, people like Jonathon Edwards and John Owens, and agree with most of what they wrote.) I'm not ashamed of that. Despite that:
1. The Catholic Church did "apologize" to Martin Luther centuries later, even officially unapostatized him. (They announced he was granted the status of Catholic again in this century.) My reaction?

Really? Like it matters or changed anything? The RCC tormented him much of his life, and those men did not seek him out to resolve the matter. Strangers centuries later can't change that, anymore than the Pope apologizing now for something that happened 60 years ago changes anything. What's the use of apologizing, when you're not the one who did the wrong and you can't even talk to the people who were wronged?

2. Protesters and puritans killed people too. It's part of my church's history. Not a good part, but it is there. I'm not apologizing for what I didn't do, nor am I switching denominations simply because someone in history did something wrong. Exactly where can I go that any group hasn't done something bad?

With that, if that's the only problem you have against Catholics, it's time to give it up.

 

[JesusLives]

God is Truth [ first and foremost ].

Love comes from God, Who is [ all ] Truth.

God is Love because He is [ first and foremost ] Truth.

I will show you my Bible verse if you will show me yours.....

1 John 4: 8 The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love.

 

[Goodness11]

Basically the Catholic Church is rotting from the inside.

Matt 7:15-20
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

(It said 'cast into the fire' or I guess supposedly Catholic purgatory.)