U.S. Supreme Court declines stay 4 clerk refusing to issue gay marriage certificates

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Dude653 said:
God says to obey the law. Signing a paper is a simple job and legal requirement. It doesn't mean you are consenting to their behavior. Do your job, obey the law and let them answer to God for what they are doing..... it's kind of like if I don't believe in playing the lottery, would that give me the right to refuse to sell someone a lottery ticket?
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"I was just obeying orders" ...now where have I heard that before?
 
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If you are a public official then the people you are dealing with are tax paying citizens who pay your salary. Denying them service is stealing from them.
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Since when must Christians leave their faith at the front door?
 
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Lis45 said:
actually, the ruling was lawful. The supreme court decided, end of story. While she may have thought she was "upholding"her own constitutional rights, she had no problem claiming to do so at the expense of another's very same rights.
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So if God's Law says 'A' and man's law says 'Z' you will go with 'Z'...got it.
 
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She was obeying the law...its called the constitution. Yes if you don't want to sell lottery tickets ..you don't have to..if you have enough sense and courage to stand up for what you say you believe?
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Actually, she wasn't obeying the law. The supreme court ruled, and she refused to comply.
 
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So if God's Law says 'A' and man's law says 'Z' you will go with 'Z'...got it.
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nope. Actually you don't "got it". If I truly believe God's law says A and man's law, for which I am working directly for and under, says Z, I certainly wouldn't want to continue working in that capacity, because it would be a contradiction to do so.
 
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Actually, she wasn't obeying the law. The supreme court ruled, and she refused to comply.
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The supreme court is not the law...the constitution is the law..she was obeying the constitution not this illegal verdict. Like many Americans have done in the past, if our rulers and judges disobey the constitution, we are under no legal obligation to follow after their lawlessness. Now at some point these judges will be replaced and the constitution will be upheld.
 
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The Supreme Court is the final authority on what is legal and what is not. Opinions are irrelevant. They made a ruling and the ruling stands.
 
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Dude653 said:
The Supreme Court is the final authority on what is legal and what is not. Opinions are irrelevant. They made a ruling and the ruling stands.
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no, they WROTE a ruling, not made one. same thing with heathcare. they are supposed to rule on law, not write up new ones.
 
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nope. Actually you don't "got it". If I truly believe God's law says A and man's law, for which I am working directly for and under, says Z, I certainly wouldn't want to continue working in that capacity, because it would be a contradiction to do so.
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No resistance, just buckle? Got it again.
 
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Dude653 said:
Key word.. THIER faith... you don't have the right to impose your faith on others
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We all have the right to reject that this sexual perversion should be approved and promoted in our society... That's not imposing faith on anyone ..that's resisting deviant behavior
 
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Dude653 said:
The Supreme Court is the final authority on what is legal and what is not. Opinions are irrelevant. They made a ruling and the ruling stands.
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Maybe the penultimate authority but not the FINAL one.
 
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Dude653 said:
The Supreme Court is the final authority on what is legal and what is not. Opinions are irrelevant. They made a ruling and the ruling stands.
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No they don't...their authority comes from the constitution...when they ignore it...they forfeit that authority
 
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When your rights violate someone else's rights and that's when we have a problem. She violated peoples civil rights and that's why she went to jail.
 
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Dude653 said:
Key word.. THIER faith... you don't have the right to impose your faith on others
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We have the same right to carry and voice our convictions as anyone else.
You keep bringing up the 'force your faith' slop from the left. That's just code for 'leave your faith at the front door, keep it to yourselves'.
 
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When your rights violate someone else's rights and that's when we have a problem. She violated peoples civil rights and that's why she went to jail.
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No one has a protected "right" to be a pervert... perversion is not a "civil right" she violated nothing but upheld the constitution and the moral good of her society.
 
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I find it difficult to understand those 'Christians' who uphold immorality in the name of civil rights over God's Law.
 
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I find it difficult to understand those 'Christians' who uphold immorality in the name of civil rights over God's Law.
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I find it hard to understand all the self righteous people here who think only Christians have rights. Or who think someone else is not a real Christian if they disagree. My faith in God and my religious convictions are for me and not for me to impose on others. Nowhere in the Bible are we instructed to do this. If they are doing something displeasing to God then they will face with it. It is neither my duty nor my responsibility to tell them what they can and cannot do.... I don't believe in gambling but you don't see me trying to stop people from buying lottery tickets because that's their business.
 
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