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That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom,
and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration
when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones,
judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones,
judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
And Elijah took twelve stones, according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob,
unto whom the word of the Lord came, saying, Israel shall be thy name:
unto whom the word of the Lord came, saying, Israel shall be thy name:
The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them,
and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude
in the midst of the earth.
and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude
in the midst of the earth.
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Oooh, so plan A was not perfect and God needed plan B. The perfect non-changing God needed plan B?
This makes perfect sense thank you for enlightening me. I will accept it because James57 said so... and if God ask me about it I will tell him James57 made me do it
This makes perfect sense thank you for enlightening me. I will accept it because James57 said so... and if God ask me about it I will tell him James57 made me do it
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bro, this line of reasoning is invalid. And I am done trying to discuss this with you. You are the only person I can remember who ever used this argument (ad I have studied all forms of end time and prophetic believes extensively for many decades. and again, I do not know who taught you this or if you came up with it on your own. But it is not even sensical when taken with all of prophesy.
Gal 3 was written to jews who thought they were saved by law and because they were jews. And they thought every gentile had to be forced to follow jewish law if they wanted to be saved.
They mistranslated the part of the covenant of Abraham, which said in you (your seed) shall ALL THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD BE BLESSED.
That is the context of gal 3. Not a non salvic promise of land given to a nation of people..
so please stop using it. I will not discuss it anymore.
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if you would open your mind, instead of being stained by your anti-jewish retoric.
You would understand.. Rom 9 is speaking against jews being saved simply because they are jews. That there is no jew or gentile. but we are all one under Christ. So god did not fail in what he said he would do. It happened exactly as he promised, Paul even used OT prophesy to prove that the gentile would come into being children of God. and that Israel would stumble and fall.
Rom 11 on the other hand, States quite clearly. Yet God is not done with Israel.
1. There is a remnant still
2. They are blinded in part
3. Gentiles now have the reigns of control of Gods word and gospel. it was taken away form the jews because they failed
4. Gentiles will have this for a time predetermined by God (until their time is completed)
5. At that time, Israel will repent, be saved, and be restored to their promised place as Gods chosen people living in their land.
6. Until that time, Israel is my enemy concerning the gospel. But to be loved because Gods promises are irrevocable.
So you tell me. How can they be my enemy and loved at the same time, if God is talking about spiritual Israel and not natural Israel.
don't tell me to open my eyes when your eyes are clouded over, You can;t see if my eyes are open or not.
You would understand.. Rom 9 is speaking against jews being saved simply because they are jews. That there is no jew or gentile. but we are all one under Christ. So god did not fail in what he said he would do. It happened exactly as he promised, Paul even used OT prophesy to prove that the gentile would come into being children of God. and that Israel would stumble and fall.
Rom 11 on the other hand, States quite clearly. Yet God is not done with Israel.
1. There is a remnant still
2. They are blinded in part
3. Gentiles now have the reigns of control of Gods word and gospel. it was taken away form the jews because they failed
4. Gentiles will have this for a time predetermined by God (until their time is completed)
5. At that time, Israel will repent, be saved, and be restored to their promised place as Gods chosen people living in their land.
6. Until that time, Israel is my enemy concerning the gospel. But to be loved because Gods promises are irrevocable.
So you tell me. How can they be my enemy and loved at the same time, if God is talking about spiritual Israel and not natural Israel.
don't tell me to open my eyes when your eyes are clouded over, You can;t see if my eyes are open or not.
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This is so sad when believers who claim to believe what the bible says, ignore it when it witnesses against what they believe. And whose minds go blank when confronted with scripture that they can't understand within their paradigm, and then call that faith.
The fact is GOD made a covenant with Abram to give the land to Christ. That is the only credible explanation within the context of Genesis 15 in which GOD gives to Abram the surety that he asked for.
How would a covenant with Abram to give the land to Abram's descendents been surety that Abram himself would receive the land? It wouldn't. Thus your interpretation falls apart.
The fact is GOD made a covenant with Abram to give the land to Christ. That is the only credible explanation within the context of Genesis 15 in which GOD gives to Abram the surety that he asked for.
How would a covenant with Abram to give the land to Abram's descendents been surety that Abram himself would receive the land? It wouldn't. Thus your interpretation falls apart.
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when one has to make an allegory, or spiritualise prophesy to make it come true, in the face of God specifically stating that if a prophet speaks a word which does not come to happen, it is not of God. then you know it is of God and not of men.
The roman church started doing this when they changed from a literal interpretation, to an allegorical interpretation of most of Gods word. This doctrine is just one of the casualties.
Of course she (the roman church) hated Israel. How could those who killed Christ ever be given promises again, God must be done wiht them, And we will take it oourself.. (it is all pride)
The roman church started doing this when they changed from a literal interpretation, to an allegorical interpretation of most of Gods word. This doctrine is just one of the casualties.
Of course she (the roman church) hated Israel. How could those who killed Christ ever be given promises again, God must be done wiht them, And we will take it oourself.. (it is all pride)
Well you can read this from Genesis on and can follow the whole OT. You can read also special which tribe has got which size of land. God gave a descripton from the bordermark. Genesis 15, 1-21; Exodus 34, 10-11; Numbers 13,2; Numbers 32-36; Deuteronium 3,12ff; the Book Josua f.e. Today Israel has not the expandure as God has promised. But it will come, according what God has promised to his own choosen folk. To deny that God has choosen Abraham, Jacob and Issak and has given them the land which we calling Israel, is not knowing about gods plan and love with us all. (sorry for my bad english)
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yes it is sad, when you take the literal promises of God. which is stated and restated all throughout the OT. And twist it to mean something else based on a few verses in one book in the NT.
Thats called using your belief to interpret the word. and not the word to interpret your belief.
Thats your belief, and your allowed to have it. But it is not supported by scripture. You do not make a doctrine based on a few verses, you make a doctrine based on the whole of scripture.
No. your asking the wrong question.
Why would God say he gave to all his seed as an eternal inheritance. And renew his promise to two of his sons, Then claim in many prophesies he will never forget his people. he will always keep a remnant, Even if they sin and he has to remove them, if they repent he will remember his promise and restore them.
Why would he say he would always remember his covenant to abraham issac and jacb, and paul even mention it in the future tense. If it ws all given to Christ.
and again, Why would Christ give himself a land he already owns, He owns the world. He has no need of one small peace of land.
again, your sarcasm does not grant you much place. when almost every sarcastic argument you make can be made against yourself. You have been told this over an dover, but you do not seem to get it. why?? I have no idea. but I pray you get it one day.
Scripture states the Church is one new man made up of both Jew and Gentile.
How can it be Israel when it is new?
Ephesians 2:14-16 KJVS
[14] For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us ; [15] Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; [16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
...something new called the Church, His Body.
How can it be Israel when it is new?
Ephesians 2:14-16 KJVS
[14] For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us ; [15] Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; [16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
...something new called the Church, His Body.
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How? when WW1 and WW2 were far more great a tribulation that anything which happened in Jesus day or before it?
Jeremiah 30:7
Alas! For that day is great, So that none is like it; And it is the time of Jacob’s trouble, But he shall be saved out of it.
if WW1 and WW2 was far greater than any time before it, Then how could it have already occured?
and oh by the way, the time of jacobs trouble was used to cause isreal to repent, and it says they will repent. So since Israel has never repented, how could it have been fulfilled?
jeremiah 30:
‘For it shall come to pass in that day,’
Says the Lord of hosts,
‘That I will break his yoke from your neck,
And will burst your bonds;
Foreigners shall no more enslave them.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But they shall serve the Lord their God,
And David their king,
Whom I will raise up for them.
2 strikes against this faulty view, Isreal has been enslaved since Syria first captured the nnorthern kingdom. they have never been free as a nation since.
Jeremiah 30:7
Alas! For that day is great, So that none is like it; And it is the time of Jacob’s trouble, But he shall be saved out of it.
if WW1 and WW2 was far greater than any time before it, Then how could it have already occured?
and oh by the way, the time of jacobs trouble was used to cause isreal to repent, and it says they will repent. So since Israel has never repented, how could it have been fulfilled?
jeremiah 30:
‘For it shall come to pass in that day,’
Says the Lord of hosts,
‘That I will break his yoke from your neck,
And will burst your bonds;
Foreigners shall no more enslave them.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But they shall serve the Lord their God,
And David their king,
Whom I will raise up for them.
2 strikes against this faulty view, Isreal has been enslaved since Syria first captured the nnorthern kingdom. they have never been free as a nation since.